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• Thanks Deb. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 17:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Advice on writing articles

Hallo, I came across Twelve Apostles of Ilkley Moor because Ilkley Moor is on my watch list. I see you've created lots of stub articles recently. There are a few points I'd like to make:

• Please check carefully whether the topic for a new article is already covered in an existing article, so that it is more useful to make a redirect than to create a stub with less information. I've redirected Boleigh Fogou to St Buryan#Bronze and Iron Ages because there is more information there already.
• Numbers above ten should be written in digits, not words, so I've amended Twelve Apostles of Ilkley Moor and the two related articles to "1,180 yards". (It should probably be in feet, with a conversion to metres...)
• The reference to The Modern Antiquarian: you only need to give "Date accessed" when you're citing information from an online source. Here, your online link was to the Google books info about the book, verifying its existence etc, but your info source is a specific page and not available online. On the other hand, the fact that we have Wikipedia articles about both the author and the book support the reliability of the book as a source of reference. I've modified the book reference in Grubstones to what I suggest is better.
• Does your source supply any grid reference or long/lat coordinates? They are a great asset to any article, rather than mentioning nearby main roads as you sometimes do (though if mentioning a UK road, please link it).
• If you create something like Three Brothers (Lancashire) which has a "disambiguation", remember to make sure people can find it by searching for "Three Brothers". Sometimes it needs a "hatnote" on an existing article, in this case an addition to the disambiguation page at Three Brothers (I've done it, and similarly for Twelve Apostles (disambiguation).
• Navboxes: I'm sure it's not appropriate to include the County navboxes in each article - anyone wanting to know about the county can click on the link. I'm also dubious about including the "European megaliths" navboxes for items which aren't themselves in the templates.
• Categories: You've been adding some very broad categories, and I think it is better to add fewer but more exact categories.

I hope you find those comments clear and helpful - if you're planning to create a large number of articles it's as well to get them right, from the start. Thanks, and Happy Editing! PamD 09:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Pam, I'll try to use your advice. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 19:25, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Llangynidr Stone

How can a stone "ring" a hill? PamD 22:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• I'll change that to "sits". It is amongst a group of three that are kinda in a ring around the hill, but as separate articles, sits makes more sense huh? Can'tCopeWon'tCope 22:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you could change the second sentence from "It is located near the Fish Stone and Tretower Stone." to "Llangynidr Stone, the Fish Stone and Tretower Stone ring the hill."? (Or would "encircle" convey it better?) (entriangle?!) PamD 22:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I see you've taken up some of my advice, thanks ... but don't forget about putting numbers in digits rather than words. I've tweaked this one to comply. PamD 22:26, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, sure thing, I read different rules about that somewhere. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 22:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Ooops, just re-checked Wikipedia:MOSNUM#Numbers_as_figures_or_words and you're right - if they can be written as one or two words ("eighteen" or "two hundred") then they can go either as word or as number! I was probably thinking of the splendid Guardian style guide at http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/n which specifies a complete cutoff at 10. Sorry about that! PamD 22:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I get where you're coming from though and think you're right once it goes past 1000 it gets a bit lengthy to use words huh? Can'tCopeWon'tCope 22:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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• Cheers buddy! Can'tCopeWon'tCope 01:32, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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	For your hard work in adding British archaeology-related articles. ... discospinster talk 12:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

• Hey thanks! That's really appreciated. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 12:33, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Maps and infoboxes

I reckon that maps of Wales, or county eg Cornwall, look better than the UK one - have changed a couple of Welsh ones including Llangynidr Stone. I don't know where there's a list of what county maps are available - "Powys" didn't work! ... ahah, have now found Template:Location_map/List which suggest that "Wales Powys" might work ... yes, it works: I like the way it locates Powys in Wales as well as the spot in Powys. (version using "Wales" map).

And I've just fallen over {{Infobox ancient site}}: I wonder if that would be better than the historic site one? Not sure whether there's any preference among any WikiProject dealing with archaeology or anything like that! PamD 14:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

And I just had a look at Maiden Castle, Dorset, as a Featured Article to use as a model ... but it uses the "Historic building" Infobox! I see it uses a county map. Sweet Track, another UK archaeology FA, uses "Historic site" and a county map. The page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Archaeology lists two infobox templates, "Ancient site" and "Archaeological site"! Infoboxes have developed fairly randomly over the years and there often seem to be overlaps. PamD 14:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Cheers again for the suggestions. I've been putting them to good use. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 17:04, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Copying

Sorry, but you mustn't just lift a chunk out of an existing article and paste it elsewhere as you seem to have done for Mull Circle! See WP:Copying within Wikipedia. It's partly to do with a attribution - the editors who wrote that paragraph need to be credited for it, and that's all lost if you cut and paste. But also we don't need articles to duplicate each other. There might be an argument for splitting out that piece of content from Mull Hill and moving it to the circle article, using the appropriate talk page template on both talk pages to leave a permanent record, or perhaps the info on the circle would be better just as a section within the article on the hill,with incoing redirects from all versions of the circle's name. I've removed the stuff which appeared to be copied. There's a lot for us all to learn about editing Wikipedia, but it's an interesting journey! PamD 18:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, whoops! Sorry, I hadn't read that. Ta for the info. I think the monument deserved a separate article from the hill. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 19:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Location of Druid Auchencar

Your new article describes this as "near Campbeltown on the Kintyre peninsula". I'm not familiar with this artefact myself, and it is possible there are two of similar name, but the map coordinates indicate that it is on the Isle of Arran, as do this and this. AllyD (talk) 07:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

• No, No, you're right. Even the map is showing it on Arran. I hadn't noticed the mistake before going to bed last night. Thanks for the heads up! I've made the required amendments. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 08:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Reliability?

I've just looked at Dervaig B. (You'd managed to call it "Dervaig A" in the lead sentence, but that's just a typo I guess).

There seem to be some problems with accuracy. It's not "near Tobermory", except by being on the same island. It's not "difficult to find", as it's signposted from a car park along a good path. It's also a bit odd to talk about it as a row of two standing stones initially, and then mention that there are five of them. I think I've actually visited these stones, and they are impressive ... and easy to find.

I've added a link to a good authoritative source, the Scottish ancient monuments website. There are equivalents for England and Wales, and your articles would be greatly enhanced if you could find and add those records.

I also added redirects from Kilmore Standing Stones and Cnoc Fada - I'm sure the latter was just an oversight, as you seem to be making lots of useful redirects as you go along! PamD 09:37, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Meant to add: please refine the categories, so they aren't just " ... in Scotland" etc - tighter, accurate, categories are much more useful to the reader. Thanks. PamD 09:38, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. The source is a bit dated on Dervaig, only describing the one site, and it was getting a bit late last night. I'll try to tighten things up. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 09:41, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Categories

Just had a look at Fortingall stone circles ...

• There's Category:Stone circles in Scotland as a more precise cat than Category:Stone circles
• And then as that's a subcategory of Category:Megalithic monuments in Europe, you shouldn't add that parent category. Same applies to Category:Stones, though perhaps you've stopped adding that one.
• But I'm glad to see you're using "Perth and Kinross" cats, rather than just "Scotland" - thanks!

You're obviously having a very busy weekend of editing! PamD 18:41, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

... meant to say: the "best accessed with an OS map" seems unencyclopedic: it's an encyclopedia, not a travel guide. (Though anyone looking for less-known standing stones will be using a good map anyway, I'd have thought!) And why not a Bartholomews, or whatever? Probably best omitted (especially as unreliable?!) PamD 18:45, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I guess you're right about OS. I'll leave it out in future. The Category:Stone circles in Scotland is another good idea. I had thought of starting a {{WikiProject Standing Stones}} to improve coverage of these monuments. Your thoughts on that would be appreciated. I still have all of the Megalithic European to get through once I've done with Scotland... Can'tCopeWon'tCope 18:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

External links

Have just found there's a template {{NHLE}} which makes it easy to add an External link to the detailed info on the English Heritage database for anything that's a scheduled Ancient Monument - including lots of archaeological reports, and detailed map. Could be worth doing - see Twelve Apostles of Ilkley Moor for an example. There might be similar templates for the Scottish and Welsh equivs - I'll see if I can find anything. PamD 19:08, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

• I am not finding a lot on there but will try to use where I can. Can'tCopeWon'tCope 19:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I've just asked on the Welsh and Scottish Wikiproject pages whether there's a similar template for their two sources. PamD 20:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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