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Discussion on CFD - proposal to merge all subcats of Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies up into the main cat. Relevant categories which would be deleted are:

• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Aberdeen constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Dundee constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Edinburgh constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Fife constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Glasgow constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Highland constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Orkney and Shetland
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Paisley constituencies
• Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Stirling constituencies

I think that this is a rather important discussion for editors interested in Scotland-related articles, especially Scottish politics and Scottish biographical articles (particularly local history). Please have a read and ponder, and contribute to the debate if you like. Thanks. --Mais oui! 17:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

It would also be relevant in this context to consider the discussions in the parent category for the UK parliament: Category talk:British MPs. I find it regrettable that Mais oui! has engaged in a restructuring of that category without entering into the discussions there. --BrownHairedGirl 17:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_23#Category:Members_of_the_United_Kingdom_Parliament_from_Scottish_constituencies is just about to close. I would really appreciate your contribution, because this debate needs some serious input. --Mais oui! 09:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Pop Punk Revival Merge Discussion

Saw you on the Punk WikiProject list... Your input is valued! - Sir, please check out whats going on there Talk:Pop_punk_revival and add you opinion to the "Merge Discussion" Xsxex 23:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 19:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"Traditional counties" of Scotland

The County Watch and ABC are at it yet again: trying to claim that Scotland has "traditional counties". We knocked that myth on the head last year, when we merged the Traditional counties of Scotland article with the Administrative counties of Scotland article. Well now they are trying to say that the situation in Scotland and England is equivalent, see Template_talk:Scotland_counties#Merger. It is not. I am sick to the back teeth of this. Can you please keep an eye on the situation? --Mais oui! 09:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Scotland

Pre-script: we are currently undergoing peer review, see: Wikipedia:Peer review/Scotland.

I am beginning to think that the Scottish Wikipedians' notice board is not the best vehicle for pushing up the quality of the Scotland article (we ought to try to get it to WP:FA, in order to get into Wikipedia:Version 0.5, or, failing that, Wikipedia:Version 1.0), and the other key Scottish articles. It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that we really ought to start up the long-mooted WikiProject Scotland.

Most of the stuff at the notice board (at least on the bottom half) is actually WikiProject material anyway, and the Talk page is really being used as a WikiProject talk already! The notice board should be just that: for bunging up brief notices and signposts. I am thinking of launching a Wikiproject and correspondingly radically clearing out, and chopping down, the noticeboard (a re-launch if you like). The Scotland Portal concept is fine (but currently mediocre/undynamic content), but in stasis: it needs a good kick up the jacksie.

For comparison, have a look at:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia
• Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong
• etc.

And, if you are at a loose end, have a look at:

• Wikipedia:Version 0.5 Nominations
• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Nominations
• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WPPlaces
• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Medieval Scotland articles by quality
• Wikipedia:WikiProject
• Wikipedia:WikiProject/Best practices

Thoughts? Please express them here. --Mais oui! 18:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music

Whats up? Hi, I'm trying to gather some more interest and support for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music. Please check out the topics and lets get our WikiProject to function better. I've taken an interest in the Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop and I consider that WikiProject to be better developed. Hopefully we can all work together to improve articles relating to punk. Also, I am trying to gather support and opinions concerning the punk house article and specifically the Theta Beta Potata article which is currently in AfD (x2) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theta Beta Potata (second nomination). Please check it out and voice your opinion. Xsxex 06:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Bubbling

I'm so touched! I may have a wee greet... of joy. No, really: thank you very much indeed.

Actually, I'll tell you something that almost did bring a tear to my patriotic eye a few days ago. It is not particularly well-written, nor, perhaps, as heavyweight and researched as it could have been, but the goodwill and warmth of the underlying sentiment shines through. Here is a person who truly came to really, really like Scotland and the Scots (and in my opinion to like something is a far more valuable sentiment than to love something - love is fleeting after all):

• "An open letter to the nation from departing US consul to Edinburgh Cécile Shea", Sunday Herald

It kind of echoes this older, poetic, indigenous sentiment:

• Scotland small? Our multiform, our infinite Scotland small?, Nothing but Heather! - Hugh MacDiarmid

Cheers. --Mais oui! 07:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that I will make a point of it to read more of Hugh MacDiarmid. Have you read the Uncyclopedia entry on Scotland? It puts the nation in a very favourable light, stock-full of marvelous inventors, and an ever-growing list of things which we've invented over the years. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 07:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read the Uncyclopedia version for months, but when I first read its Scotland article a couple of years ago I was in stitches. --Mais oui! 07:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Forest history of Scotland (and more...)

Hi. I was pleased to find your note in the "History of Scotland" discussion page, under the section I started on Forest Loss in Scotland. I'm still in Scotland touring around at the moment -- but headed to London and then back home in just a few days. The Scots are wonderful, warm-hearted, friendly people! (There are MacAlister's in my family background.)

I got some first-hand information from an old (retired - due to fishery destruction, we might put it) fisherman in Lybster, in the eastern coast (the south-end of the Highlands, I believe you'd say). The situation with the large-fish fisheries here is very sad... halibut, cod, and other large fish are so few that the commercial fishery can't operate in Lybster and many other places like it. The lack of an effective 200-mile limit to keep the predations of large purse-seine boats from over-fishing was said to be the biggest problem.

I believe this needs to be brought into the article, too. What can be more fundamental to the history of Scotland than elements like the glens and the fisheries?!

We need to find the people who can write these sections, or portions that can be inserted into the sections that are already there.

Bye for now,

Joel Russ 11:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey Joel,

I agree with you entirely. I believe that the Scottish National Party has some articles about the state of Scottish fisheries, though I'm not sure what their take on it is. I'll check it out at their website, and I'd suggest that both of us look around for Scottish environmental websites. Scotland's IMC is bound to have some information, and I'd bet that the Scottish Greens have something or other as well. Greenpeace will have something, in either a Scottish or UK branch's website. To google! File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 21:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Great! Glad to know you have a real interest in this. It's so important to learn the past, see where dead-end roads have been taken... and thereby help people to think about better paths for the future. I still hold hope, for the long run.Joel Russ 19:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's a PDF of the SNP's fishing policy. Here

Useless. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 22:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• WWF Scotland's report from 2001 has some information we could use. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 22:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Here's a Government study, with links to more. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 22:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Royal Society for the Protection of Birds has an article on the environmental impact of modern fisheries. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 22:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Fisheries Research Services looks like something to check out. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 23:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC).
• GreenPeace UK might have something or other.

Miwok Set

Hi Canaen -- You suggested a Miwok template idea on the discussion page. I finished the subgroup pages as follows: (1) Valley and Sierra Miwok, Coast Miwok and Lake Miwok. Thank you for volunteering to 'whip up' a nice template that lists this little group ! I look forward to see it. I propose include Miwok at the top and Miwok mythology at the bottom, as well Goldenrowley. I am not technical savvy enough Goldenrowley 22:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey Goldenrowley, I'll see if I can do it today. Shouldn't be too difficult. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 18:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Canaen, the Miwok template is wonderful, thank you! Happy face Goldenrowley 23:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Copyright issues over Food Not Bombs logo

I know you're busy and may not get this, but if you do, your feedback would be appreciated at Image talk:Food Not Bombs logo.png. Also see User talk:Nv8200p#Image:Food Not Bombs logo.png. Thanks. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 22:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Checked it out. Hope he understands sometime soon. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 23:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hi, thanks for the message. I've just got back from a long trip to a country that (although I didn't realise it beforehand) prevents people from accessing Wikipedia. I probably could have made something myself I suppose - don't know how to make an actual userbox template but I could probably subst and edit one - never really thought about it that much until I looked at the history of the Scotland-related pages and guessed I must have been opening a can of worms. I'd love to call myself Welsh but I do feel like an imposter now with living in England most of my life (and being half Irish). Actually I feel kind of flattered if a Welsh person says I'm Welsh but have never really asserted it myself. Perhaps I'll make a "This user lives in the United Kingdom" box or something - I'm confused about my identity :-). I've not yet looked at where the Scotland discussions went but I think I'm going to leave it - might not even read them. My original changes were accepted at first and didn't have anything to do with the England/ Europe thing (at least in my mind) - I just thought it read better but I really don't want to annoy people and don't particularly care what the page says. I took exception to my changes being reversed, which was pointless really. Best --Lo2u ^{(T • C)} 11:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I hope that your trip was lovely. May I inquire as to where you went? China's the only one I've heard of (although, anywhere without computers would be obvious). File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 05:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Yes it was China and it was lovely. Thank you. It also doesn't seem to have BBC or email but that was more expected... I have quite a few photos that might improve articles actually - if I ever find time. Anyway, best wishes. --Lo2u ^{(T • C)} 22:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Galwegian Gaelic

Firstly, the current name was decided after a discussion with Angr. He did not want it called "language" because there is little scholarly treatment of Galwegian as a distinct language; thus the page was moved from Galwegian language to Galwegian Gaelic. Under those circumstances, an AfM seems the only way to proceed. Secondly, moving a page by cut and paste is frowned upon because it deletes the edit history and in this case implies to future readers that you are the author of pretty much the whole article. Whether or not I agree with Galwegian Gaelic language being a better title than Galwegian Gaelic, I still had to revert the move. Regards, 23:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Lovat

I suspect that the parliamentary stationary office probably has a copy (for a fee). It's generally the sort of thing that's very hard to find though normal means. If it helps your search it's a private act of parliament listed as 'Relief of Thomas, Lord Lovat from the effect of the attainder of Simon, Lord Lovat.' Hansard ought to have the bones of the act somewhere if you can get hold of a copy for that year (1854 or Victoria 17/18) from a major library. Alci12 12:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

great ape pic

I added a new pic to your great ape template since the original picture was deleted. Hope you like bonobos! Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very kindly! I had forgotten that it was my own box; I though I was just using someone else's. That's what I get for not paying more attention to my user page! Bonobos rock, though I must confess I like the Pacific BigFoot better. : ) File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 07:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you actually believe that? I used to want to be a cryptozoologist but I was young and naive. I kinda doubt bigfoot exists, but it would be kinda cool. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 07:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure. I've heard a hell of a lot of indigenous stories about it. Every American Indian tribe in North America, pretty much, has stories and legends about them. So do lots and lots of indigenous Asian populations. I've heard stories from Kentucky, too. And the people who tell them, man do they believe it. I think that Gigantopithicus was around for a lot longer than most Zoologists say, at least. I'm not really sure if I believe it outright, but I don't really doubt it too much. I think to really believe it, I'd have to see one with my own eyes. But yea, it'd be bloody awesome. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 23:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For dedication to improving and expanding Wikipedia. Your work with Scotland-related pages is quite extraordinary. Good job! Sharkface217 02:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Help with references

I saw on Esperenza that you were having trouble referencing articles. It's not that hard really. This is how to do inline references:

• After the sentance you wish to reference, use the <ref> and </ref> tags. This puts everything between the tags into a footnoted reference at the end of the article.
• At the end of the article, add a section called ==References== and under that put the single tag <references />.
• For example, if you wrote <ref>[http:www.google.com Google]</ref> it would put a little 1 in the article where you put it AND it would put the word Google in the references section, hyperlinked to the website listed in the reference. Its that simple.
• There are also {{cite}} templates, but I am not good with using those myself. For most purposes, simply citing:
  • the author, title, website, and retrieve date for websites
  • author, article title, journal title, pub date for magazines
  • author, title, publisher, pub date, and ISBN# for books is how to do it.
• To use the same site for multiple references, replace the <ref> tag with <ref name=foo> tag (replace foo with any easy to remember text) for each occurance of the identical reference, and will group the references in the References section.

I hope that was of some help to you! --Jayron32 05:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Simon Fraser

I'm all in favour of dull, boring article names, so I went with Simon Fraser (d. 1306). I don't know if you've seen it or not, but [[Simon Fraser (d. 1306)|]] gives Simon Fraser. Saves a bit typing. If the refs stuff above doesn't make sense, give me a yell. I've never used the {{cite}} stuff either, but I know of a few articles that do, so it should just be a matter of copying what they do. Cheers ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough! That shortcut wikilink is quite nifty. I'm gonna play around with the refs a bit in My Playground, then try 'em out in the Clan Fraser article. Thanks a bunch! File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 23:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You have mail

You have a reply waiting for you at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Admin coaching  The Transhumanist   19:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 23:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

UFETA

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Unitarian Universalists for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Unitarian Universalists for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. If you remove the {{dated prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. JChap2007 02:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll see you on the talk page. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 04:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Tre Arrow reverted

hi. i reverted yr changes to the Tre Arrow article since your edit clobbered his birth name. i assume this was an accident since the date and a closing bracket where left behind. just a heads up. frymaster 23:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm.... ok. I think we should explain that his true name is not known for sure, and that it is at best speculation. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 21:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Canaen, this is james from livejournal (redpatcher). I'm just now figuring wikipedia out to make better edits. Just giving you a ring buddy! Redpatcher 09:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey James! Just remember there's life in the real world. Hit me up if you need anything in particular! File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 21:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject

Just saw you sign up. Just to note that i am probably going to change the name to say Scotland's Rapid Transit per suggestion. Or what would you suggest? Simply south 09:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to see the project expanded to cover all means of Transport/Transit in Scotland, covering roads and airways and biking and ferries and anything else relevant. Naming isn't really a big thing for me, but I would like to see something more inclusive, like "Transit in Scotland" or something similar. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 08:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I've given in and decided to retitle the project to Transport in Scotland but focus primarily on public transport. It is still going to be VERY broad. I hope this is okay. What do you think? Simply south 12:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that's just fine. Glad to hear of it! I'll be checking in to see when it gets up!File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 18:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've finally started on the WikiProject page (still a user page) and there are a lot of Section-stubs as i am not exactly sure what to put in those areas. This is my first WikiProject, covering an area i only know a small amount about but hoping to contribute somehow. I have also changed my mind slightly saying i may be the lead editor but am still not totally sure. Simply south 19:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

In case you want the link, it is still under the old title. User:Simply south/WikiProject Transport around Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Thanks Simply South; I'll look into it. What ever happened with the WikiProject Proposal? Did you ever get the go-ahead to turn it into a full-fledged WikiProject? File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 22:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Its still up there with various comments. So no i haven't yet. When ready, i will probably move the user-page to a WikiProject page. Simply south 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, misread that comment. I'm not really sure how to get the go ahead, other than i think a minimum of 5 editors. I'm not totally sure. I will ask Badbilltucker or someone similar. Simply south 23:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

1 day later and it is now a project. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Transport in Scotland. Simply south 12:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching, etc.

Are you ready to get started?

The waiting time over at Admin coaching is long (some people have been waiting in line since July). I'm an admin coach with the project, and for my students I set up a group discussion page so that we could all learn from each other. The scope of this concept has expanded into the Virtual classroom, which is an open forum for the teaching and learning of advanced Wikipedia skills.

Anyone and everyone is welcome to participate, as a student, as a coach, or both. Every week or two a new major topic of discussion or classroom assignment is introduced, usually with a guest writer who presents his or her expertise on the current subject and who remains on hand to answer questions. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the discussions, such as sharing your expertise, asking and answering questions, etc.

The current topic of discussion is vandalism, and our guest writer is Budgiekiller.

All discussions are open-ended, so all previous discussion topics and classroom assignments are still there for viewing and further participation. There are also sections for posting miscellaneous topics and questions, requesting coaching assistance, etc.

In addition to inviting those who would like to learn, I routinely invite experts from all over Wikipedia to come and contribute for the benefit of all. The VC is rapidly turning into a clearing house of the best resources, methods, and techniques known for working on Wikipedia.

You are cordially invited to participate.

Here's an announcement box which you can place on your userpage or at the top of your talk page for keeping up to date with classroom assignments.

I hope to see you there. Sincerely,  The Transhumanist    07:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Key Extracts

I have created a draft of ‘Key Extracts from the Talk: Scotland Archives’ here. My intention is to create something that could be used as a handy guide for new contributors to the Scotland article, which after appropriate discussion would be moved to a new page and referenced on the Talk:Scotland page in due course. I’d value your comments. Please feel free to direct other Scottish Wikipedians to it. Cc Users Mais Oui!, Calgacus, Globaltraveller, Angus Maclennan, Billreid, Canæn. A Merry Xmas to all. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Your advice

Well, I'm getting ready to make the big jump and I'm asking all the vegans I know for a bit of advice on nutrition. I asked a lot of my real-life friends about what if any vitamins they take and most of them don't take any, which doesn't sound too great to me considering all the stuff I've read. Do you take any vitamins or minerals (like B12, A, iodine etc?). I've also heard something about flax seed oil and omega fatty acids. Any help would be great. Thanks. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 09:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I was looking at multivitamins today in Raley's and all of them that I saw had at least one non-vegetarian ingredient (usually gelatin and/or fish derived stuff). Grrr. Where can you get vegan mulitvitamins? And why the heck is the lowest dosage of B12 pills 500 mcg when that is about 1660% of the recommended daily value? Is it hard to absorb or something? Oh, and how important is the calcium one? My mom was thinking that would be a big problem, but aren't there lots of veggies with calcium like broccoli? Ok, well, thanks for the help. I'm going to do some more research later, but getting tired of nutrition right now. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 06:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Anarcho-punk and sXe

Hi, would you mind taking a look at the section titled "Input needed at Anarcho-punk and Straight edge" at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Punk music. Thanks. Ungovernable Force^{Got something to say?} 02:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Anytime. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 03:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Maclean of Ardgour v. Maclean

See [1]. The case there being used against the assertions by the Lyon at the time (Innes of Learney) claiming powers without legal basis. Alci12 10:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

WP Prussia

Welcome to WP Prussia. The project page itself is a little bare, since I have spent most of my efforts on its parent Former Countries project - but most of the guidelines for the Former Countries project also hold for the Prussian project.

As you commented on the Prussia talk page, it is very important that this main article be presentable. At the moment, it is better than it was before, but it could be better. Some attempt has been made to come up with a broader layout for the Prussian articles (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Prussia#Series_layout), but that has come to a halt with those of us involved being busy on other things. Please put forward any suggestions of your own and maybe we can get this started again.

If you have any other ideas for improving Prussia-related articles please let us know on the project page. - 52 Pickup 09:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)