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That was a terrible close

Re this.

Two users expressed some opinion as to whether the article was GA-quality, one openly in favour of delisting and the other not opposed to delisting and stating that the original listing was crap. None of the other comments were even related to whether the article as it stood was of GA-quality or not. So why did you close it as a "maintain the status quo" when everyone opposed the status quo.

I understand you probably made a good-faith mistake, but if so it was still a mistake, and I strongly urge you to revert your close.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:43, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Users were arguing about the article content, but not all of it actually related to whether or not the article's quality was low enough to delist. Discussion had gone on long enough, and no one but the nominator said that the article should be delisted. No consensus means 'keep'.

Challenger.rebecca (talk) 06:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, firstly I should apologize for my gruff tone above. I was annoyed about some bullshit that had nothing to do with you or the GAR. Secondly, you should know that GARs do not need a broad consensus from a large number of users to delist. The default should be that if an article's GA status is challenged, it will be delisted unless either (a) a defense of the article's current GA status is mounted or (b) the article is improved to fully address the OP's concerns. In this case, one user challenged the GA status, and another user tried to improve the article but still agreed the article should be delisted. A GAR should never be decided on a vote count, but in this case even a vote count was in favour of delisting. If I were closing, I would have said Consensus is to delist. The valid concerns of the OP and first commenter have not been met. All other commenters are trouted and politely reminded that this page is for discussion of whether the article still meets (or ever met) our specific list of Good Article criteria, and is not a forum for general discussion of the topic, or even general discussion of the article and its quality. 'No consensus means keep' is for AFD, not GAR, as the burden of consensus must lie with those who want Wikipedia to continue hyping the article as one of the Project's finest. If 'No consensus means preserve the status quo' was a universal standard, the article would never have been promoted in the first place. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

There were competing arguments there over the validity of the nominator's claims, but I checked the article myself and found the citations to be fine and the article to be decently organized. No one except the nominator ever said that the article should be delisted. If people want to change the title of the article, they can propose it on the talk page, but there was definitely no consensus and probably no good reason to outright delist.

There is no reason why you should be posting attacks on me about this reassessment on other univolved users talk pages. During all the good article reassessments I closed, I took special care to consider all angles and made the best decision possible. Challenger.rebecca (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, if any of the above looked like an attack, it was unintentional, and I apologize. Anyway, I find your analysis of the GAR and the article itself to be questionable. I'm not in the mood to argue this further. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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Your edits to Anxiotropic

• (1) We do not capitalize all words in section titles.
• (2) After editing, please read the place you edited. In this article, you corrupted format.

I fixed these. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

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Out of curiosity

Would you be willing to explain where you have "seen [Floq] in action for many years" (per this)?

You and he have never interacted, and you have virtually no WP-space editing history to indicate that you've generally been aware of his administrative actions despite that.

I ask because it seems somewhat weird that you would choose that to be your first ever (and thus far only) RFA comment shortly after I posted this in my sandbox and a few months later (today) you showed up and reverted an edit I had made to a relatively low-traffic article three days prior.[1]

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:47, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I often check the contributions of admins I admire, and he's been doing good work for a long time. It's not very often that a serving admin comes back up for nomination, so I certainly wanted to vote for him. I don't see why it's that unusual. Challenger.rebecca (talk) 04:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay, well then how do you explain this? Did you follow me to the article and make that nonsense comment? Or did you simply miscount? Are you aware that Wikipedia is not a democracy and consensus is not a vote-count? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:43, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

• I'm going to ask you again, since an answer has not been forthcoming, and while ignoring the above question you posted this. How did you come across the discussion at Talk:Mottainai? The RFC template had expired over a week before you got there, and given your past interactions with me (including this travesty that I was too intimidated to bring up with you when it happened) have not generally been pleasant, it is extremely difficult to take as a good-faith coincidence. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

I didn't think it really needed to be explained. I've edited hundreds of articles just by stumbling across them and no one ever asks me how. Anyway, in this case, I saw the discussion when it was listed, but I just didn't see any need to vote at the time, because I thought the consensus of the discussion was fairly clear. It was later that I noticed that the consensus as I saw it was not being implemented properly. Not only were the vast majority in favor of the change, but the best sources also proved that it was what should be implemented. And I don't recall any negative interactions with you. I always just try to edit as best as I can. People can disagree constructively, but that's not necessarily a negative interaction. You should tone down the personal attacks and keep that in mind. Challenger.rebecca (talk) 05:25, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I thought the consensus of the discussion was fairly clear. It was later that I noticed that the consensus as I saw it was not being implemented properly. Please read WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Not only is a roughly 50-50 split not "consensus" for either one based simply on a headcount, but when one factors in that one side of the RFC was and is demanding that an exception be made to our core content policies of V and NPOV, clearly that side could not be allowed to have its way even if the split 60-40 or even 90-10. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:03, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

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I'd also like to add that in your edit here, you changed "defeasibly" to "defeasible", even though it was part of a quote with a cited source. After I reverted the edit and explained that the quote correctly used "defeasibly", you simply did it again. Whether it says defeasibly or defeasible is not that important, but changing a quote without checking the easily accessible source of the quote shows a lack of care, and not responding at all when this is pointed out to you, but rather simply performing the edits again and again verges on disruptive editing. I hope that you will take a bit more care in the future, because the article really does need some copyediting, and I for one would be very grateful if you helped with it. — Knuthove (talk) 13:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, that was my mistake. I just misunderstood what had happened. Thank you for the feedback. Challenger.rebecca (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Your edit to Effective altruism

Hi Challenger.rebecca, thanks for your edit to Effective altruism. I especially appreciated that you added the missing "that" to the text I had inserted. However, I reverted your edit because the other changes you introduced didn't appear to be constructive. In particular, I think it flows better with a comma between each term (importance, neglectedness, and tractability) and its definition than with parentheses around each definition. I think definition lists on Wikipedia are usually formatted without parentheses, e.g. Polyhedron#Symmetry groups. Second, I think the way you combined the independent clauses in the definition of neglectedness was clunky (...to address a problem, determining a cause to be more neglected the fewer resources are going toward it).

I encourage you to continue making edits to the page as you see fit, as we need all the help we can get to help get it to good article status. Happy editing! Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 23:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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