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Yellow-crowned Bishop

Hi Ched. I've made a 7x expansion of this and put it up at DYK. If you can think of a better hook, pls propose it. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

hmmmm ... I don't know if it would be appropriate or not being as it's not April Fools day, but I might be tempted to go with something like:

• Did you know that when some Bishops are ready to mate, that their heads and backs turn a distinctive yellow in color.

As I said, a lot would depend upon what is appropriate for a DYK hook. I've seen similar styles like this during the April 1 days, but even if you needed to include the entire "Yellow-crowned Bishop" in the hook, I think it's one of the more interesting facts that the article brings out. Good work once again though Bark, .. you're really racking up some quality editing here. I noticed that your talk page is filling up with a TON of DYK stuff, and the work you're doing is fantastic. Go getem buddy. :) — Ched :  ?  03:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Ched. I'll put that in as an alt. BarkingMoon (talk) 10:27, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Now White-winged Widowbird], also at DYK. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hugs

I love your work.

Noted your comment re. Ezrdr - nice one. As always.

It would be super-lovely to chat, occasionally, if you felt like it; my place.

Keep up the wonderful stuff.  Chzz  ►  05:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey Chzz ... great to see you buddy. I see you've been really busy as well, and doing some fantastic stuff. So much to get caught up on here. I'll stop by the first chance I get to see at the Irc. Thanks for the kind words, it's definately been too long since we talked. :) — Ched :  ?  14:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. And it was nice of you to comment on ANI.

WRT that though - I never thought of it as "editor v. admin", I never would; it's "editor v. editor". But... - honest question: imagine this was the other way around - that an editor, who happened to be an admin, had - politely - queried me, over a policy, on my user talk page - and I'd just removed it as 'silly'...and then, they'd posted on ANI, and I'd ignored that too. Do you think it'd be the same?  Chzz  ►  05:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, sod that; I'll put it (in similar words) on the ANI thread instead.  Chzz  ►  05:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

So, I ask a question about admins ignoring people, and my query gets ignored :p Gotta laugh. It got 'archived'. I've hauled it back from the archive, hoping it might get a response, but IDK, it'll probably vanish again soon. Oh well; one last try, I guess. [1]  Chzz  ►  11:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

responded at UT. — Ched :  ?  21:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Replied User talk:Chzz#your question.. I hope you'll have a little time to read and consider it, one day. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  06:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

wonders never cease

wait a second. Not only do I disagree with Protonk, Drmies and Clrt, but I actually agree with Off2riorob, FT2, and Tarc? [2]. just have to add a "WTF WOW" to that one. :) — Ched :  ?  21:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

White-headed Buffalo-weaver

Ever done a 30x expansion ;-) Check out the proposed DYK hook. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that's some expansion. I'll certainly have a look. :) — Ched :  ?  21:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey there BM, when you drop me a link, do you want me to copy edit at all? Or is it just something for me to read? — Ched :  ?  13:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Always feel free to edit. Improvements are always good. See my user page. I'm up to 13 articles (new or expanded) now. BarkingMoon (talk) 13:27, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic!! OK, will feel free to do an edit here and there if I notice anything. cheers my friend. — Ched :  ?  13:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Reply

Replied at my user talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 15:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:RIP

When you are ready...! Glad to see you back among us, at any rate. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks like we've lost a few good people recently, ... always sorry to hear that. Anything I can do there? Doesn't look like it's been very active. — Ched :  ?  03:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Just think of two types of losses wiki has we never hear about: 1) people who die that never make it to WP:RIP and 2) users who get fed up with all the bullshit on wiki and just quietly leave. BarkingMoon (talk) 03:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

24

Hey Buddy. Just letting you know that I've done a lot of work on the 24 article, but could use your input on articles like Jack Bauer would be awesome. A friend of mine has also helped me get access to a large database with lots of old news articles, including 24 stuff. It's solid gold :) Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 03:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear you snatched up a great new resource. I'll take a look at some of this stuff in the upcoming week. Cheers buddy. — Ched :  ?  13:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

See this

User_talk:Casliber#I_need_a_shrink BarkingMoon (talk) 16:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Santorum (neologism)

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. 24.177.120.138 (talk) 02:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Normally I wouldn't respond to this per my statement at the top of this page; however, allow me to offer some assistance here. You appear to be lacking some of the fundamentals here in understanding my post. Perhaps if you read through the entire post once again a bit more slowly, taking the time to consider exactly what is said, you'll be able to understand the error in your logic. I would also normally point you in the direction of WP:DTTR, but a brief review leads me to think that perhaps you are quite aware of that, and I suspect that perhaps you enjoy a certain type of behavior.

If I may, I'd like to ask a question; followed by some advice. As you are purposely bringing so much attention to your presence here, would you care to divulge your previous editing identity? Secondly, I'll mention that if perhaps you are using the IP 24 identity to circumvent a ban or block of some kind, that type of editing is explicitly not allowed here. (I'm not making that accusation, just offering some possible advice).

Regardless, to be honest with you IP 24, at this point in time your future here does not look very promising at the moment. If however, you are truly interested in becoming a productive member of our community, feel free to ask for any assistance here on my talk page, and I'll endeavor to point you in a more positive direction. Regards. — Ched :  ?  05:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I find IP 24's civility warning somewhat hypocritical in light of this rather unconstructive edit[3] to the AfD discussion for the Anthony Weiner photo scandal. Perhaps I'm being trolled? Cheers, Liberal Classic (talk) 16:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

My apologies for not being completely clear on your comment here. Are you referring to the NPA warning I left on IP 24's page? One of the other warnings that's been left on his page? My comments directly above to his template? A specific comment made by or to the IP in the AfD? I don't want to make an assumption and find that I'm addressing the wrong issue. A link to the specific post would be helpful. I glanced through the AfD, the talk page of the Weiner article, as well as both yours and the IP's talk pages, and I'm just not sure which comment or warning you would like me to address. I personally have not posted to either the Article or the AfD (yet), but will gladly do so if you are requesting my opinion. I do thank you for bringing any concerns you have to my attention, and I will gladly address anything you feel needs to be addressed once I'm clear on your intent. Thank you and have a great day. — Ched :  ?  17:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Quick note. Looking very quickly, I don't see any issues or problems with your posts there Liberal Classic, and if there was some sort of warning the IP left for you, I'd just ignore it. They have a habit of that type of behavior, and I doubt they'll be around very long. — Ched :  ?  17:46, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry for not being clear. I have been reading IP24's contribs trying to figure him out. I find his act of templating you[4] with a civility warning hypocritical. He wrote this comment[5] in the AfD:

• Delete: I'm partisan, and I just don't want an article about a scandal involving a politician I otherwise agree with kept on Wikipedia.

I found this comment quite pointed. The implication is that people arguing against keeping the article are pushing a pro-Weiner POV. Full disclosure here, I was arguing for the article for the scandal to be merged back into the main article. I even asked him about on his talk page, which he ignored.[6] Then I saw he slapped you with a civility warning template, and felt compelled to comment here. If I've done or said something inappropriate, I apologize in advance. Thanks, Liberal Classic (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Ahhhh .. ok. Yes, I agree completely. Absolutely no need to apologize. The comment he made in the AfD is exactly what wp:idontlikeit says not to do. Ironically though, it's likely one of the more honest posts that he's made. lol. I probably will stop by the AfD in a day or so when I get the chance. While I personally have no use for the "Weiner" style of behavior or political views, I'd have to agree that the info should simply merit a note in the BLP article itself. I typically have avoided political discussions over the years, but since I got involved in the Santorum debate, it seems only fair that I display the same thought process in the Weiner article. (Although, one slight point would be that Weiner brought the situation upon himself directly, whereas the Santorum issue was embiggened by a third party who simply opposed the then Senator's view-points on various sexual issues and comments.) FWIW, most folks that close an AfD should be able to determine that IP 24's "!vote" holds no value in the consensus proceedure, so I doubt it will be given much weight. (if any). As far as his templating goes, he's been doing that to several folks, and I'd venture to guess that it will simply hasten his departure in the end. Great talking with you Liberal Classic, and thank you for your notes. I couldn't agree more, but other than the original chuckle that the template gave me, I really don't give it much weight. Cheers and best. User:Ched Davis (on unsecured network at the moment, hence the IP sig.) 206.123.253.82 (talk) 20:02, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

You seem to be making an ad-hominem argument that I've engaged in hypocrisy. Please comment on content, not contributors. 24.177.120.138 (talk) 01:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not taking the bait. Liberal Classic (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

And I'm not taking you seriously until you engage this discussion in good faith. 24.177.120.138 (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

You've twice been blocked, and then twice had talk priv's taken away. AGF kind of erodes in those circumstances. Also, IP's in fact have a strategic advantage, as you note here:[7] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Is your intention to follow me everywhere I go on Wikipedia and make that same point? Because that's WP:HARASSMENT, and it's also dumb. 24.177.120.138 (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the "non-denial denial". :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome...? (I don't get it. Are you calling me Nixon?) 24.177.120.138 (talk) 16:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Surely not. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:22, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

And please don't call me Shirley Ched (not at home)67.163.149.210 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

• IP 24, ok ... if you want to talk, then I appreciate that. I'll be in touch this coming week and we can talk. {Ched} 67.163.149.210 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, Ched. I tend to get involved in controversial articles, as I did with the Weiner scandal. I try to take a conservative (in the cautious sense) approach which is sometimes construed as being too protective of the subject. I might wade into the Savage/Santorum issue. It is an interesting dilemma in that the title of the article is the attack. All the best, Liberal Classic (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

• LC .. glad to meet a good person, ... look forward to a long friendship. :) 67.163.149.210 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm with you Ched. I supported there. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey buddy, ... always glad to hear your views. :) (Ched) 67.163.149.210 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Reminder

Hey...sorry to post this again but it might be missed above. If you're aware of it, and plan to reply later (or just want to ignore it!) that's fine; but in case you'd missed it, I wanted to remind you that User talk:Chzz#your question. is still sat there, and I was hoping for a reply, if possible. Even if the reply is just to tell me to stop making a fuss. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  15:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Very sorry Chzz .. I'll revisit that ASAP. Been a bit hectic here and I've let a few things slip through. — Ched :  ?  17:40, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Noel F. Parrish

Care to help improve this? It's my newest article and is 29k+. I was astounded that someone with this much info on them readily available did not already have an article. My head is swimming and I've probably made obvious goofs in layout, prob in not linking things, etc. It could also use a good copyedit. I'll nom it for DYK in a few days, there are tons of possible hooks here. The intro needs work too.BarkingMoon (talk) 01:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy to. Will probably be tomorrow evening. :) — Ched :  ?  01:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Outstanding. Any talkpage stalkers feel free to help. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:21, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I got tied up with some other issues tonight (both on and off wiki) so I haven't had a go at the article yet. I will however try to get to it ASAP BM. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  03:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

It's all good pls continue with ce. BarkingMoon (talk) 10:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Let me know when you're done. I'd like to add you as getting co-DYK credit. BarkingMoon (talk) 22:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Been so busy w/my daughter's pending wedding, people coming from out of town, jobs, and the typical day to day stuff that I just always seem to run out of time. If I run into another sleepless night, which happens all too often, I'll do some tonight. Otherwise, I'll try to work on it tomorrow, and have it finished by Wed. night. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  00:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

mail BarkingMoon (talk) 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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RfAr

Hi Ched, thanks for your post. I wanted to mention that the matter is also, in addition to the two places you mention, covered in Dan_Savage#Political_advocacy. I thought I'd say that here, rather than over there, to not add to the already considerable bulk of that page. --JN466 02:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

oops .. missed that one. :-). Yea, I had originally intended to simply watch, rather then comment; however, in for a penny in for a pound I guess. I think it's a very important issue to be resolved. I'm not sure how much of what I'd have to say would ever be read or considered, but I appreciate the opportunity to be allowed to voice my views and thoughts. I also greatly appreciate all your efforts in this area as well Jayen, thank you. Cheers and best. — Ched :  ?  03:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and likewise. --JN466 03:30, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Ping

Ched, I emailed you in response to your post on my talk page. Tony (talk) 13:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Tamimo(mari)

I've opened a SPI over this possibly sockpuppetry to evade a block. Mjroots (talk) 10:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

My gut tells me that it's a good move, and I won't be a bit surprised if checks out. Thanks Mjroots for the update, I'll check it out and watch what happens. Cheers and best. — Ched :  ?  14:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		Awarded for debating a difficult and divisive topic with intelligence, class, and civility, and being part of the solution, rather than the problem. JN466 21:34, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so very much Jayen. Although I'm not really sure what I did to deserve such high praise. — Ched :  ?  22:16, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: now-archived noticeboard post

Hi, just to clarify, these noms are from several unrelated accounts, it seems to be a greater pattern than just one person. I don't know what it is or why or what their game is but they're not SPA's either and the noms look like those of any reasonable editor, except the fact they happen to be made by a sock of a indef. blocked user. I am suspicious of some ulterior motive though because LTA-listed users and indef. blocked users rarely come back just for a few GNG-issue deletions. HominidMachinae (talk) 23:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

If an indeffed blocked user is socking in any way, shape, or form, then you should certainly bring it to attention. I personally am not well versed in "sock" issues, but I do know a few folks who are. If you care to state a specific instance, I'd be happy to forward the information to an area that may help resolve the problem. If you're just seeking some general guidance, then the wp:sock link I posted probably has the most information in regards to your concerns. Is there a particular IP, editor, article, or XfD you would want to point to? I don't want to put you in a position where you're forced to oppose another editor, but it sounds as if someone is going against established rules here, and if they are, then we do have procedures in place to address those issues. — Ched :  ?  23:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED superweapons is one of them, the nominator was indef. blocked as a sock of a user indef. blocked for disruption. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human (Star Trek) (2nd nomination) is another by the same user. Apparently I was mistaken that there were two different unrelated users involved in the AfDs, it was two accounts of the same indef. blocked Editor "Claritas". It's caused some disruption at those AfDs because of some poeple wanting to continue the AFD and others calling for a speedy close (in the interest of disclosing bias I stated I am in favor of continuing already. I'm not sure exactly what claritas' game is but I have a strong suspicion they're up to no good either that or these "disruptive" AfD noms they were banned for were the same as these: nominations of fiction-related articles that have absolutely no reliable out-of-universe sources. 98.209.39.71 (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC) Gah! it logged me out, that was me. HominidMachinae (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, missed this somehow. I'll take a look in a day or two when I have more time. — Ched :  ?  08:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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List of Adventures of Superman episodes

I think this article needs to be deleted, for at least a couple of reasons. One is that it was created by an early sock of ItsLassieTime / TimmyTruck about 3 1/2 years ago. I thought at the time that it was not good to copy-and-paste from another website (one that was on wikipedia's blacklist, yet, though I don't recall which one - and little did I know that copyvios were standard procedure for that user) and various attempts have been made over time to make it less of a copyright violation. This included adding some screen shots. I had pretty well forgotten about it until Delta clobbered all the pictures, despite the fact they had fair use rationales, leaving just the dubiously-sourced list. I'm of the opinion now that it should be zapped. Can you do that? Or do I need to go through a process? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

But I liked that Superman show. Hmmm, seriously though .. I kinda looked at the CSD G5 as a possible reason, although I suspect someone might remove depending on whether it was created before or after the ban. You could PROD it, but that takes a while, even though it's much less "on the grid" that way. How much copyright and plagerism is still involved? I only ask because it may be a viable article/list. AfD might be a good way to get some input on it, and if you'd like, I'll put it there. I'd kinda hate to just delete outright, because I do think it would cause a ruckus with the fanboy crowd, and to be honest, I probably lean more to the inclusionary end of things. If you want though, I will put up for AfD. — Ched :  ?  08:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

You mean ILT's ban? Definitely created well before that. Probably at least a year before. I'm not sure how to compare the current version of an article with the original from 3 1/2 years ago. If you go to the earliest point in time of the article's history, you'll see it was created by a user called Overjoyed, and he literally copied-and-pasted from another website. Then he tinkered with it, then I tinkered with (especially after Overjoyed was indef'd as a TimmyTruck sock, i.e. an ILT sock), and others have tinkered with it since - mostly just to add links to the actors, where possible, and to format it a little differently. What irks me is that the photos all had fair use rationales, properly assigned to the correct article. And since he couldn't clobber them for that, Delta unilaterally decided it had "too many fair use images", so he clobbered all of them, so it has no images at all. Maybe they're not needed, I dunno. But they've been sitting there for 3 1/2 years and all of a sudden they're no good? What's up with that? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if this matters, but to me the point of making a list of this type is to link to other articles. There's a grand total of three out of the 104 episodes that have separate articles. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ahhh ... I see. My guess is that he was just running through his cgi script from your discussion and it grabbed them all. Not sure how he'd react if you or I approached him on it, but it might be worth a try. If they had reasonable FU rationales, then I'd think a few of them should certainly be allowed into the article. When I get back, I'll check it all out in more detail, and if you haven't asked Delta by then, I will. FWIW, I've been working on some of that FU stuff, and since moved it over to 28bytes user space since he's the one who thought of it. It's at User:28bytes/Non-Free if you're interested. — Ched :  ?  09:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I complained to Delta already. He hasn't answered yet. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's the comment I made 3 1/2 years ago, on the article talk page:

Note on sources

User Overjoyed lifted original episode descriptions and cast verbatim from the website "tvrage", which is a forbidden reference on wikipedia. He then paraphrased to lessen copyright issues. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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If you're inclined that you'd like to keep it, I'd be happy to help with some of the editing once I'm done with Noel F. Parrish one I promised BM I'd help with. But if it's gonna go to AfD, no use really doing much there. Looks like another editor has been doing a lot to it recently, think we should talk to him? User:SmallRepair ... — Ched :  ?  09:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Nah, forget the deletion, I was just annoyed. I expect that even though it started with a copyvio, it's probably been altered sufficiently to make it "its own". P.S. I sent you an e-mail. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Got it, and now replied. :) — Ched :  ?  00:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC) (I seem to be missing some talk page posts recently, .. not sure why. Going to have to do better at checking the history tab I guess.)

Speaking of Superman...

Here's a short clip you might find funny:[8] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

ROTF .. laughed my ASS off at that .. thanks. :) ... we'll see how Delta responds, and go from there. Maybe I'll just put like 2 or 3 back and try to get that to stick. — Ched :  ?  09:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

There are a number of those kinds of things, which I'm sure only make sense if you've seen the movie. The fake ending for "Braveheart" is funny too. About the images, the only ones I care about are the ones I uploaded, of course. The others were Timmy's, and over time most of his so-called contributions in various places have been zapped. Just don't do anything that will get you in any sort of conflict. Thank you for your help. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll have to look for the Braveheart one. Which ones did you upload? Me get into a conflict??? ... oops ... too late. :) ... although I've kinda taken a break from that one lately. — Ched :  ?  09:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Definitely think the title card one should be there. — Ched :  ?  09:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the version just before Delta zapped it,[9] the first three are ones I uploaded, the other three were uploaded by the ILT socks (before ILT existed). It's worth pointing out that I originally uploaded those (in 2006) in support of the main AoS article. Then people started messing around with things and they ended up in this other article, and I had to redo the FUR's on them. Ugh. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

(ec)Maybe I should add the other two back to the main article. The one with Lois and Jimmy exiting the building was supposed to be about the shooting locations, not about any particular episode. And the "Look, up in the sky" was about that title and its two versions, again not about any particular episode. Actually, Timmy's illustrations are more pertinent to specific episodes. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I replaced the title card one, will look at others when I have more time. I give you an opening on Santorum and you pass up a great chance at that? ... you're slipping Bugs. ... lol. — Ched :  ?  09:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Well, good luck dealing with that. When I saw that being discussed on the ANI page, I was stunned that wikipedia is even allowing it. Some character invents an obscene metaphor, in a blatant BLP violation, and somehow wikipedia is supposed to dignify it by having an article? Ugh. At least the "Couric" nonsense was just a satirical reference in South Park, where vulgarity is standard procedure. This is different. It's blatant slander. But public figures in the US don't have much recourse. And FYI, I don't much care for the actual guy, the target of that garbage. But I do believe in decorum. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I've added my other two pics to the main article, and added those articles to the FUR, but I did not delete the references to the List article. That way, if somebody fools around with them again, the FUR will already be there. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan to me. I'll watchlist too. — Ched :  ?  10:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

If you think there's justification for re-adding Timmy's 3 pics, we could look into that. However, most of the pics he uploaded over time eventually got zapped. So it's probably no big deal. Although, they do illustrate key points of the three episodes they refer to. It's just that the episode summarie probably don't discuss the photo contents as such. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Non-free doc

Hi Ched. I've made a few changes to the doc you wrote (added a trouble-shooting section, and tweaked some things). Take a look when you get a chance, and let me know if you think it's ready to advertise to a wider venue for input. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic 28. Really great job on that. Whatever and whenever you want to do is fine with me. — Ched :  ?  21:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank Ched. I'll move it to project space and drop a link to it on AN/I. 28bytes (talk) 21:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Great. You had a really great idea there. I hope it really does help do some preventative fire fighting. Like they say, an ounce of prevention vs. a pound of cure. :D — Ched :  ?  21:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Let's hope! 28bytes (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice!

		The Teamwork Barnstar
		For the work done on the Fixing non-free image problems essay SPhilbrickT 22:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much SPhilbrick, it is greatly appreciated. :) — Ched :  ?  23:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Fixing non-free image problems

This appears to be gaining traction quickly. Nicely done, and thanks for your work. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Glad I could contribute something. I know the same people get tired of answering the same questions over and over again. And I know a few folks can get to feeling pretty beat-up when constantly hit with "why did you" stuff. Hope it works out well. Thank you for the kind words. :) — Ched :  ?  23:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: zOMG(WTFBBQ)

Ched, buddy! Nice work there! Decided to add my name to the list...I tend to do far more image work these days (especially at Commons) than I do on articles. Btw, dunno if I ever mentioned it to you, but since you seem to work on this subject, I made a pre-formed list of rationales that can be copy-n-pasted into an image description page; note that they *must* be tweaked to provide a valid rationale. See User:Huntster/FUR. Please help yourself to it if you find it useful, and modify it if you see problems. — Huntster (t @ c) 04:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic! Great minds work in similar areas I guess. :). I haven't done much at Commons other than to upload a few pics here and there. I might have to wander on over and get myself acclimated. TY for the link. Cheers — Ched :  ?  06:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Serious COI issue

• Pink Dot SG
• Groyn88 (talk · contribs)
• Hey Ched~! Could I ask you to take a look at WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Pink Dot SG? Note that I've blanked out his "user page" as he seems to think that Wikipedia is his personal blog or something and is treating it as a dumping ground for his unencyclopedic content. Also, he doesn't seem to want to discuss matters with us so if possible, could you block him for a short while to carry the message across. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 07:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look. — Ched :  ?  07:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) OK, I took a quick gander at it; and have also watchlisted his page. I'll also keep an eye on his contribs. when I'm on here. I appears he made one edit to the Pink Dot SG after your warning, and perhaps he was in edit mode (though I suspect your hunch is right). He also made one edit to his user page at the same time you gave him your 7:03 warning. I agree with your warnings, but I'm hesitant to jump on the block button too quick here. I don't want anyone to get the perception that I'm against any certain "group", "culture", "persuasion", or "sexual preference". I'll certainly keep an eye on it, and if it continues .. then I'll block them for a bit. Thanks for following through on all this Dave. Cheers — Ched :  ?  07:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• The issue of COI is obvious as he claims in that photo of his (Photo shot by Roy Tan, User:Groyn88, one of the organisers of Pink Dot and also the author of this Wikipedia article.) that he is Dr Roy Tan - the organiser of the group and the photographer, IMO that instantly becomes a blockable offence per his own confession. There's nothing against him, just his ways of knowingly violating Wikipedia's policy with intention and on deliberate purpose despite all the advices and warnings issued prior to my butting in (puns not intended!). --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 07:46, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I agree on the COI. I also left a message in plain simple English. I suspect he'll end up with an indef. if he continues. I just felt there was enough wiggle room between the warnings and his edits that I wanted to allow him the chance. Like I said .. I will keep an eye open for him. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  08:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

And yes, if he continues to edit in areas that he's directly involved in, then he'll be blocked. He is allowed to have an account however, and edit in other areas. Jimbo and Elonka are the two that come to mind as people who could have a COI, IF they edited their own articles, which of course they don't. Let me see if I can get a response out of him, and if he continues (as I suspect he will) ... then the block hammer will land. You could if you'd like take your evidence (which is very strong) and open a "BAN" discussion at AN/I, and I suspect it would pass. At that point you'd have even more folks aware of the issues. Just a thought. — Ched :  ?  08:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• And his long list of image copyrights violation really leave me speechless, even I didn't start out with that much of these. Thanks again, btw... I've been on the tail of a few COI editors lately, they're surprisingly easier to handle than those copyvio folks so this doctor is kind of a mixed-quack to me. Cheers~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 08:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Great job Dave. I'll be honest, I'm not used to such quick action on Wikipedia. I thought it would be a few days for anything to happen, and then maybe a slap on the wrist. I certainly didn't expect such a thorough going over of the article and the user. Impressive. Please let me know if you ever decide to pick up a mop.

While I have the attn of 2 image guys, after noticing the dozens of bot messages on his talk for problem images, I peeked at Groyn's uploads [10]. There are quite a few images that need review. Obvious copyvio [11], [12], and then there are other images released to PD but with attributions such as "Photograph courtesy of Eileena Lee." Groyn can't release someone else's work into the PD. Overall his img contribs are a mess. – Lionel ^(talk) 09:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the information, I'll be bringing this to the attention of another Admin specialising in image file copyright violations. BRB. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 09:46, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi. :) Dave asked me to weigh in here, largely on the copyright issue. His talk page seems to be more in the way of failure to document than outright copyright problems, but I agree with you certainly that those images list as "courtesy of" aren't doable. They seem to be a small portion of his images overall, though. I'll take a look and tag them for NPD or bring them to PUF, although I don't have time to look through all of his images. If there are others of dubious copyright, you might bring those toWP:PUF for evaluation. :) But, Dave, just want to be sure that you know that WP:COI does not forbid people from editing articles related to them. :) Certain noncontroversial edits are explicitly allowed; I think probably this one was okay. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh my goodness ... MRG ... in ..my..house. And I didn't have the maid in this week.. dag-nab-it. :D ... K ... gotta run for the day, but there's chips on the counter, pop and sweet tea in the fridge, and even some fresh chocolate brownies in top of the microwave .. everybody help themselves. Oh . and hi there Lionel ... sorry - the ladies always seem to distract me. ... I'll try to keep an eye on things when I'm around. Thanks for the note. Cheers and best all. — Ched :  ?  13:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Ched, settle down... its only a woman. Same as you and me, two hands two legs two eyes two ears one head/brain... relax! Facepalm ... --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Dave, you may think "only a woman", but there are several key differences, such as their...ahem...feminine wiles! — Huntster (t @ c) 13:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Off the record, having live to almost half-a-century old with an equally old bag plus 3 pre-teen boys, I'm must say that you young ones are... incorrigible! But I suppose, boys will always be boys. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 15:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

LMFAO ... well at over half a century, and without an "equally old bag" (not my words), all I can say is ... if something with ummm ... feminine wiles" (?) even looks my way, then I'ma be singin .,, :P — Ched :  ?  13:34, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• BTW, do you want Dr Roy Tan's facebook profile? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 21:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Ummm ... not really sure what I'd actually do with it. He's not someone I know or anything. I mean I'll take a look and all, but I'm not trying to find him to "friend" him or anything. Not to say I'd object if he wanted to friend me .. I'm always open to having friends. :D ... I'll take a look at it though. Busy weekend here, so might take a couple days, but I'll look. Cheers an Best Dave .. you have a great weekend. — Ched :  ?  23:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Its FYI, not for you to friend him or something, don't get me wrong. Anyway, he just reverted it again. *sigh* Some people just won't learn, do they? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 00:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandal @ List of Cabals

Sorry to bother you Ched but I'm having a problem reverting vandalism at Wikipedia:List of cabals. Per this diff [13] an IP User has cancelled out an enormous amount of editorial input. I cannot get it reverted for some strange "spam list reason" which I don't really understand. Thanks, B7.Buster Seven Talk 07:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look. — Ched :  ?  07:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done One of the URLs was triggering a spam (or blacklist) filter. Once I removed that link I was able to restore the page. I also dropped a warning on the IP talk page. Thanks for finding that. Cheers Buster. — Ched :  ?  08:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Noel F. Parrish

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Well deserved! BarkingMoon (talk) 00:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

TY Barking. ... still bunches to do though. Wondering even if it may get to GA with enough work. What ya think? — Ched :  ?  13:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, sure if you think it's doable. One thing I've thought is, is there enough on his early life? What topics need more info? You'd know more about this than I. Can you create a list of what needs done? WHile were' on the topic, I know you're swamped but feel free to improve any of the articles I work on, a list is on my user page. BarkingMoon (talk) 13:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Well .. first we'll need to clean up the plag. and copyvio stuff .. but I think there's plenty of sources that you found for the guy. I'll try to get to the library here in a week or two and see what I can find. Some of it maybe should be moved to the Tuskegee article .. but it seems this guy has plenty of documentation. I have my daughter's wedding shower to photograph later today .. and wedding in a couple weeks .. but after that .. I'll look at really making this a good article. — Ched :  ?  14:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, just let me know when and how to help out.BarkingMoon (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (June 2011)

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Soldiers Chapel

Thought you may be interested in this. I've listed it at DYK nom's page. BarkingMoon (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Aw .. very cool! .. I always wanted to go to Montana. Is that near you? great article. — Ched :  ?  14:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I have been to Montana, it's beautiful, especially the central and western parts. BarkingMoon (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I got out to Utah and Arizona years back. Very beautiful country. Wish I had the money to travel more. I really enjoy seeing new places. That church looks so peaceful. — Ched :  ?  15:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is. It's quite serene, in a flat part of a amongst several mountain ridges. Nothing near it, at least not when the photo was taken. BarkingMoon (talk) 15:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Would love to see it in person. OH .. hey ... BTW ... if you do Facebook, .. you're welcome to look me up there too. Same name .. lol. — Ched :  ?  15:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Kindness Barnstar

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		Ched, I can't think of anyone more deserving. BarkingMoon (talk) 14:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Awwww ... thank you Barking. I really appreciate that.— Ched :  ?  15:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This seems like a good place to put this. :) I very much liked what you said at Jimmy's page about Arbcom and about volunteerism on Wikipedia in general. It's easy to lose sight of that; there have been a few occasions when I myself could have profited from an hour or two outside. :D So, major applause for you for keeping your sense of perspective and remembering the human element. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I made a comment on Jimbo's talk page and was wondering what you think. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you soooo much Moonriddengirl. Very nice post BarkingMoon. I always feel so very honored when anyone reads anything I post. It's all very much appreciated. — Ched :  ?  18:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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I'll check it out asap. — Ched :  ?  13:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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commented there. thx. — Ched :  ?  13:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Don't sweat it

I've been following the AN/I discussion, and I assure you, 99% of the people who are aware of your work on WP:FIXNF have been impressed by it and are appreciative of it. If you include only those editors who aren't about to get kicked off the project by ArbCom, that figure rises to 100%. So don't let it get to ya. :) 28bytes (talk) 15:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much 28 ... if my frustration is showing, then it's time to go outside for a bit. :) ... thank you for your kind words... It is GREATLY appreciated. — Ched :  ?  15:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I know who did it ...

I was crouching behind a bush looking for a little "santorum", and I saw the lone gunman on the grassy knoll ... it was ... AGHHHHhhhh gurgle gurgle. Film at 11. Anyone wishing to know the super sekrit facts can send $19.99 to "cheddavis@sometotallyunsecureemailaddress.com" ... or would that be "some totally insecure email address? BAAAHAAAHAAA....

Poor Ched, finally fell off his rocker... — Huntster (t @ c) 01:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

LMFAO .. yep ... we all knew it was bound to happen. :-) — Ched :  ?  01:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Really Ched, you must fight these urges in the future. But I'll buy one for $9.99, and not a penny more. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Yep .. you are soooo right there. <Ched checks his wallet to find a folded up piece of paper with a phone number and no name, a toothpick, and a ball of lint.> .... SOLD, to the man with $9.99. :) — Ched :  ?  03:41, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

A solid platinum toothpick and a ball of lint made of dreams? — Huntster (t @ c) 07:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)