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May 2009 Posts

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Category linking

Just a heads-up, you can link internally to categories by putting a colon before "Category", such as this:
[[:Category:Wikipedia essays]] produces Category:Wikipedia essays
Hope this helps! Happy editing! Greg Tyler ^{(t • c)} 17:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Enjoy your trip! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 14:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks buddy. I won't be pulling out of PA until the end of the week, but I'm not sure how much I'll be able to actually contribute to wikipedia over the next few days either - lots of things to do ;). I'll drop you a note when I get back, and take care of the wiki for me while I'm gone ... lol. — Ched :  ?  16:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

(testing travel account name) Ched (public) (talk) 22:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea, enjoy your time off! Royalbroil 01:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Enjoy your time off :) Steve Crossin ^Talk/₂₄ 01:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks guys, only have a couple days left to get in a couple posts here and there - but I did want to say thx for the good wishes. — Ched :  ?  19:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Bubble tea!

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Hey there TO - How you doin these days? Good to hear from you, and thanks for the tea. Wish I could pour it into a thermos and take it with me next week ... lol. Sorry I haven't been around the computer related stuff lately, been workin on a few other things as time permits. I should be back in full swing by the end of May though, and I'll be sure to look up what's going on then. Hope life is treating you well, and I'll drop by your talk page some day soon. — Ched :  ?  19:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle reverts

Please stop reverting my (and others) South Park character infobox edits as vandalism, and please refer to this discussion to see that it was decided to reformat the template. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 07:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

link. Sorry Chappy. When I saw someone change "start= The Spirit of Christmas" to "start= Cartman Gets An Anal Probe", I figured it must be vandalism. I apologize for the inconvenience. — Ched :  ?  18:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC) (cc: to UT)

Shags

Hi Ched,

I received your speedy deletion notification for Shags only after the page had been deleted. Considering that you quoted G11, I must assume that the page had been transferred into an advertisment for something; this is not the purpose for which I created the page. Because I can no longer see the page history, my best guess is that I created it as a redirect to Shag or possibly a disambiguation page in its own right. Would you object if I recreated the page for such a purpose?

Neelix (talk) 02:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I looked at the history of the deleted article, and you are right, Neelix. You had created it as a redirect to Shag. Someone created an advertisement article for a nightclub. There was no usable content. Are you sure that we need a redirect from plural? WP:PLURAL says "consider creating a redirect from the plural to the singular in cases like companies" [compare company which doesn't simply add an -s]. So it does not advise creating a redirect from situation were the plural is the same as the singular plus an "s". Royalbroil 03:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

If Shags does not redirect to Shag, it should at least redirect to Shags Horan, a baseball player who is often referred to simply as "Shags". Neelix (talk) 13:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Neelix - first I should say thanks to Royalbroil for keeping an eye on my talk page while I'm being an infrequent editor over the next couple weeks. I had mentioned that I might not be around at times, and that's why he responded Neelix. I had actually discussed the "Shags" page with others on IRC #en-wikipedia channel to see if it should be tagged, as I always like to get another opinion when I tag something. You do bring up a very good point about Shags Horan (and I'll admit that he's not someone I was familiar with before you mentioned it.) I personally don't have a problem with a redirect, and I'll ask one of the other editors who is an avid fan his opinion as well. As I've said, you make a couple good points, and if you do recreate the page, I'll not do anything with it either. On a side note, Ethan Phillips, who played Neelix on Voyager, was one of the first articles besides some NASCAR stuff that I edited here - not that it has anything to do with anything, just mentioning it. — Ched :  ?  16:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

If you'd like, I can also request the article at our new WP:REFUND project as well. — Ched :  ?  16:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Since it's a redlink, I can't tell... What did the original "Shags" article do? Was it a separate article? Was it a redirect to Shags Horan? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 17:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

And in more direct response to your comment on my talk page, all major league players are considered to be "notable" for wikipedia purposes, even if they only played one game. In short, Moonlight Graham would be considered "notable" even if he hadn't been a character in Field of Dreams. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 17:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I would be inclined to redirect "Shags" to "Shag", and then list Shags Horan on that page. Hard telling where Shags got his nickname. Probably from shaggy hair (by standards of his day), but hard tellin'. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 18:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Shags was originally a redirect to Shag and Neelix had done the work! Then someone removed the redirect to create a messy article about a non-notable promotional nightclub. Since "Shags" could have 2 meanings (baseball player and plural of "Shag"), I'd say it should exist as a disambiguous page! If you really want to see it, I will restore it with it's history in my userspace. I doubt you'll find it interesting! Royalbroil 23:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

After thinking a little, I decided to restore article with its history intact so that everyone can see it. I changed it back to a redirect to Shag. I think it should become a disambiguous page. Royalbroil 23:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I was just wondering about that. And was getting ready to ask if it had been salted for any reason, (though I suspected it hadn't). I agree that it would be better as a dab page, if someone doesn't beat me to it, I may change it over myself. Thank you very much for all your attention to, and help with this Royalbroil - it's greatly appreciated. — Ched :  ?  23:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films April 2009 Newsletter

The April 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 07:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Deceased Wikipedians/Proposal to establish practices to be followed for deceased Wikipedians

Thanks for working on the topic. I like discussing it ahead of time so that ideas can be expressed without it being related to a particular persons death.

Should I assume that it isn't a situation that the 'crats want to get involved with?

Not really. Sometimes 'crats do these closes and sometimes they don't. Like other volunteer jobs on wiki, people choose which stuff they do based on their own interest and free time.

Is it something that simply shouldn't be closed?, and if that is the case, what directions should be pursued now?

I was thinking that this proposal doesn't need a close now. Instead, next time an incident comes up then the guideline can be used as a basis for decision making based on the comments. If it gets support for use, then you get the answer about it meaning the Community's needs and expectations.

Should I simply let it sit? I started a bulleted list for a guideline (User:Ched Davis/Deceased wikipedian proceedures), but I'm reluctant to roll out anything that appears to be "me" making assumptions on what community consensus is.

I think letting it sit for now works. Since this not something used every day, then there is less necessity to close the matter immediately with a stable solution.

I don't mind being patient in the least, and the only reason I ask is because I'll be taking a trip for a few weeks, and actually traveling through the beautiful state of KY to Alabama.

Kentucky is beautiful this time of year. From some parts of you I-75 or I-64, you can see some pretty scenery. But if you get off on some side roads a short distance from the Interstate around Frankfort, Georgetown, or Lexington, you can see some beautiful horse farms. Enjoy your trip and safe travels. ;-) FloNight♥♥♥ 15:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

RE. Help Desk Question

Thank you for your help, except I can't get it to go to the right if you see my userpage? dottydotdot (talk) 08:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I get the writing up alongside it? dottydotdot (talk) 08:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I just removed the {{clear}} tag. ;) better? — Ched :  ?  08:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Perfect, thank you very much for your help! dottydotdot (talk) 09:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, always glad to help :) — Ched :  ?  09:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Imagin

Please take note of jargon before you make spelling changes. If the word "imagin" appears several times on a page, it is very likely not to be a misspelling of "imagine". This edit here caused a hell of a lot of damage to that particular article. This has happened in the past to similar articles and that very word. Be careful in the future.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

It was certainly never my intent to have ever "caused a hell of a lot of damage" to anything at Wikipedia. (or anywhere else for that matter). — Ched :  ?  18:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, after hours of thought and due deliberation, I feel it is necessary to address this allegation in further detail. First: I do apologize for my error in attempting to correct what I believed to be spelling mistakes in your fictional cartoon characters article. Had your post simply stated the first two sentences, I would simply have made due note of my mistake, and continued with my editing. Given the seriousness of the claim that I have "caused a hell of a lot of damage" however, I believe it is my best interests to address this issue.

I can imagine that there would be people who would advise me to just ignore this, or to drop the matter without reply. Regrettably, I find that I can not do that. I believe the very serious accusation that I have caused a hell of a lot of damage to any article on Wikipedia to be tantamount to an accusation of vandalism. While my textual assurances may mean little to anyone, I'd request that you review my edit history, and ascertain for yourself my true intent in regards to my efforts here. While I have not yet been granted the tools of administrator-ship that you have, the meager abilities that I have been entrusted with, such as rollback, I have tried to use wisely, and cautiously. I value my privilege to edit here, and I value my reputation as an editor who contributes under his real name every bit as much. I'm aware of several tools that might be of assistance when attempting to replace multiple instances of corrections; and, had you not already repaired the article in question before I realized the intent of "imagin", I would have gladly used my WP:WIKED to expedite the changes in a matter of seconds myself.

Ryulong, I may regrettably be unable to respond in a timely manner to posts in the near future due to upcoming travel plans. Perhaps you are also engaged in other matters which require your attention. I beg your patience in this matter, and hope that we can communicate in a productive manner to resolve this highly defamatory accusation. I do not wish to incur your wrath, or escalate the matter beyond its actual intent. I'm also mindful of your abilities to block me from editing, so I'll endeavor to pursue a congenial conversation as well. Ryulong, I am a respectful person, and a well intentioned editor - The idea that any of my colleagues here would consider any of my efforts to have caused a hell of a lot of damage, is a truly distressing thought to me. I hope that you will reconsider the implications that your post here has made. I look forward to working with you in a positive manner in the future. — Ched :  ?  03:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Although I would definitely not have used the same language or approach that Ryulong did here, I think it is clear from the context that Ryulong meant that you had caused the "damage" inadvertently. FWIW, it may be desirable to place a hidden note on the page in question advising future copyeditors that "imagin" is not a typo here; I would not have known that either. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your insight Newyorkbrad, I do appreciate it. Perhaps I am being overly sensitive; but, it's only because I value my reputation here great deal. The hidden text suggestion is an excellent idea, and I'll do so directly. — Ched :  ?  04:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for my tone. It is just that there have been multiple instances where the use of "Imagin" was replaced wholesale by "Imagine" due to a user not checking the subject of the article beforehand. Here I was not acting as an administrator warning you, but an editor giving you advice. I know that these instances are far and few between, but I think due to my knowledge in the subject of the article affects my common sense in believing that if a particular spelling exists on an article and it appears to be a misspelling, that it might have some importance for the article and simply not be a user with really poor spelling skills.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Great! We're cool then. ;). And sorry for the inconvenience that I caused too. I added a hidden note to the page about the spelling thing as NYB suggested - but it was reverted. Perhaps if I get a chance to follow through on the whole WP:BRD thing I'll mention my reasoning on the talk page too. The spelling thing is tough here - so many "jargon" and "lingo" things from all the different cultures we share. I added the British and Canadian dictionaries to my US version. Still waiting on a compatible Aussie version to add. Anyway, I'm glad we're good terms - and I wish you and yours the very best. May all your edits reach FA. ;) — Ched :  ?  09:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC) (cc: to UT)

RfA Thanks

Thank you for supporting me in my recent RfA, which unfortunately did not pass with a final tally of (45/39/9). I plan on addressing the concerns raised and working to improve in the next several months. Special thanks go to MBisanz, GT5162, and MC10 for nominating me. Thanks again, -download ׀ sign! 03:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry you didn't make it this time download, but you have some very solid backers. Add Protonk's generous offer to help, and between him, MBisanz, MC10, and GT5162 you should make it the next time around. Keep up the good editing, and I'll look forward to supporting you on your next run as well. ;) — Ched :  ?  20:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for 1952 in NASCAR

On May 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1952 in NASCAR, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 13:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Good, glad it made it in. Thanks for the note Dravecky ;) — Ched :  ?  20:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

WT:RFA

Thought I'd follow up here - I think you misunderstood what I meant on WT:RFA. I was describing the thread there ("no consensus" vs. "unsuccessful" language in a closed failed RfA) as not terribly important and saying (facetiously) that someone should start up one of the more meaningful old stand-bys. Nathan ^{T (formerly Avruch)} 17:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Duh! slap me silly with the biggest trout you can find - went right over my head ... lol. Yep, I missed it. Guess that'll teach me to take a couple days off huh? — Ched :  ?  20:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: more of those damn "Ched" posts

Hey, glad you had a good trip. Regarding SoxBot, yes, I have that adminwatch page watchlisted. I caught one of those blankings before, but I'm just now getting online today. Strange little bug, but nothing mission critical. I know several other admins watchlist it as well. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 21:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks buddy! That little guy seemed to have a mind of his own yesterday. Maybe the bots are becoming "self-aware", lol. — Ched :  ?  13:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

FT

hmmm ... yea, that didn't seem to work out the way it was intended, huh? Thx Huntster for cleaning up - guess that's why they call it a "mop" eh?... lol ...<cough, cough>, ahhh .. sorry about that - I try to keep that weird sense of humor bottled up, but it just comes out at times. The best I can piece together is that FlyingToaster was leaving a thank-you note for her RfA, but there were questions on the copyright of the graphics on it. Was an old "After Dark" image I believe ... boy does that bring back some memories. Toasters with wings, little dogs digging holes in the wallpaper .. but I digress. Thanks to Huntster for cleaning up the page, congrats. to FT on the RfA, and thanks to Shubinator for helping FT with the codes. — Ched :  ?  16:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I miss AfterDark screen savers and the flying toasters! I would stare at them flying and looping along for a long long time. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 16:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

lol ... same here. I had the Star Trek one too. Worf did some major damage to my desktop at times ;). Kids today don't know what they're missing ... PS3, Wii, iPhones, iPods, XBox, Gameboy ... pfft. Well, actually, a couple of those things are pretty cool. lulz. — Ched :  ?  16:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't normally run screen savers these days, but one I love is 3D aquarium. Very realistic IMO. This one looks pretty nice too. Can you tell I like aquariums? Wish I could afford to own one... — Huntster (t • @ • c) 17:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, some of those aquarium ones are really realistic. Have one of 'em on my travel laptop - might even be one of those two you mentioned. So calming and peaceful. I had a little one years ago for my daughter, but I wasn't very good with fish. A couple of my friends have them, one buddy kinda raises the Angel Fish, but I think they may be one of the more difficult ones. This laptop though, I just never got around to putting anything beyond the pre-installed Vista ones. I used to be a real tweaker, but kind of lost interest over the years I think. Nowadays I just pick the cursor/mouse pointer to a big blue one, and put a pic of one of the kids on for wallpaper, and leave the rest as is. Gettin lazy in my old age I guess ... ;) — Ched :  ?  21:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Diffs:

• original thanks
• attempts to fix

hey, a barnstar is a cool "you done good" thing ... I aint gonna knock it. ;-S — Ched :  ?  07:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Not Posting

Yeah, I occasionally find myself in that situation. However, I mostly just avoid going to those project and talk pages. If I've somehow missed a procedure or whatever else amongst the vast litany of rules and regs here, they can fire me. Avoiding contentious stuff helps me keep my sanity. :) — Huntster (t • @ • c) 18:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that wasn't intended as a hint, subtle or not. I've seen plenty of discussions you've gotten involved in, and they are nicely thought out, neutral and considerate. Never hesitate to lend a voice when and where it is needed. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 18:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Question posted for Ched

WILL USING MURIATIC ACID ON A FIBERGLASS BOAT HARM IY? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.84.139 (talk) 19:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

hmmmm ... well, given that Hydrochloric acid is a chemical reagent in the production of Polyvinyl chloride and polyurethane, I wouldn't suggest that you wipe your "Campion - 492 Explorer" fishing vessel down with it prior to an extended excursion. If you are interested in more details, I'd be happy to refer you to our Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. Remember, I have not stated any extended proficiency in this area, so I'd advise you not to takie my advice without doing your own research as well, but thanks for asking. — Ched :  ?  01:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

On a side note, while I don't personally care one way or the other, many people who use Internet communication, and text in general, will often consider the use of all CAPS to be a form of "shouting". You may want to consider depressing your "Caps Lock" key once, and then using your "Shift" key in conjunction with an individual letter to produce the capitalization required for proper sentence structure. An example of this would be the letter "A", which is the first letter of the word "An", at the beginning of this very sentence. As always, best wishes to you and yours my friend. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Refactoring

Please just take back your post, as I have never refactored anyone's post, ever, and your baseless accusation that I have is a personal attack.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 23:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

One moment please, I'll get the diffs. — Ched :  ?  23:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

March 19, 2009 from your edit history: I'm looking at the url: here Starting with this diff, and continuing for over two dozen edits, you were refactoring another editors sig. I don't want to start anything Daed, I'm just asking you to listen to those around you who are trying to give you some good advice. The "Bish" path leads to nothing good. Please just let it go. OK? — Ched :  ?  23:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

What is it with you and that other guy? This isn't about Bish damnit.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 23:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

And those are not refactoring another's posts, they are changing the sig sizes as the sigs are too big. Refactoring another's post means refactoring it to change the meaning, and this is nowhere close to that. I know what policy is, so don't quote it with me.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 23:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't exactly call any of the "Bish" family "that other guy", but be that as it may: Please read: Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages in its entirety. Also be aware that a diff like this, even if it is justified, is still called refactoring. If you want to dwell on the "sig" issue, I'd remind you that part of your very own sig is only several shades different than the default WP background.

Look Daed, I honestly appreciate all the work you do at WP:SPI, and I respect that you're trying very hard to go by the rules. It's just that WP, much as in real life, sometimes it is better to just drop the stick. There are often things that are born out of common sense, and long standing practices which may not be written down anywhere. Sometimes there are just some "unspoken" truths to life which are hard to explain. I'm sure that as your wiki-career progresses, you'll want the other editors to respect and admire you. If you push against a group of people who have known each other for a while, they are likely to push back. That's fine, you just need to realize it when you see it. At that point, you simply nod respectfully, and back away. I don't know how to put it any clearer than that at the moment. I'm just telling you that "this is the way it is", and kindly suggesting you stop long enough to take in what is going on around you. The big picture is that we are here to work together to build an encyclopedia. I hope this helps you. But, if you ever have any questions, then ya'all come back .. hear? Best — Ched :  ?  23:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

this may be helpful as well. ;) — Ched :  ?  00:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I already read that, it doesn't mention anything about sig changes.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 00:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I personally consider a users sig to be part of their post. You are of course welcome to evaluate any and all material and draw your own conclusions. Oh, and your question "What is it with you and that other guy?". I took that to mean one of the "Bish" or "poda" users, was I correct in that? — Ched :  ?  00:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to AniMate, and now, I'm referring to everyone that has to assume bad faith with me. Please read my post on Jencho's talk page. Or check my contribs to find said post, as I have no idea how to spell his name.— Dædαlus ^Contribs 00:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Ahhhh ... ok. I'm familiar with AniMate and Jehochman only in the sense that I've read some of their postings, but I don't recall ever interacting with them directly. To be honest, I'd be surprised if they even knew that I existed. I read the post. I honestly think though, that a lot of people around here are trying to help you. When someone that's been around long enough to pass an RfA gives me any advice, I try to listen to it. I'm not always required to take it, but I've found more often than not, it's usually pretty good advice. That's just my personal opinion though .. YMMV. — Ched :  ?  00:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh heh...

Flying Spaghetti Monster  :-) - Philippe 23:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

BLPs

Hey, just wanted to say great work on all the BLP categorization you've done tonight. I've done my share, so it's good to see the project gaining interest. :) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 06:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

ThankSpam

My RfA Thank you for participating in my "RecFA", which passed with a final tally of 153/39/22. There were issues raised regarding my adminship that I intend to cogitate upon, but I am grateful for the very many supportive comments I received and for the efforts of certain editors (Ceoil, Noroton and Lar especially) in responding to some issues. I wish to note how humbled I was when I read Buster7's support comment, although a fair majority gave me great pleasure. I would also note those whose opposes or neutral were based in process concerns and who otherwise commented kindly in regard to my record. I recognise that the process itself was unusual, and the format was generally considered questionable - and I accept that I was mistaken in my perception of how it would be received - but I am particularly grateful for those whose opposes and neutrals were based in perceptions of how I was not performing to the standards expected of an administrator. As much as the support I received, those comments are hopefully going to allow me to be a better contributor to the project. Thank you. Very much. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC) ~~~~~

Well, back to the office it is...

Well Mark, I'm glad it worked out for you. I admire your stones in the matter. I certainly felt that your tirade at Jimbos talk page was a huge error in judgment, (in multiple aspects), but didn't see it as a reason to withhold my support of your keeping the tools. Best of luck. — Ched :  ?  12:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Living People

I notice you've recently used HotCat to quick-add Category:Living People to a stack of articles, so this is a reminder that the correct category is Category:Living people, with a lower-case p, and that the upper-case P version is only a redirect. (You have to watch out for that with HotCat—it can't tell the difference between category redirects and real categories, so it will helpfully assist you in adding a redirect instead of the real category if you're not careful.) —Paul A (talk) 02:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

sigh ... Boy for a month that had my birthday, a road-trip, and seeing an old friend - it sure has had it's share of disappointments. What a way to wake up ... sigh ;(. To say I'm a bit discouraged at the moment would be an understatement. I'm looking into getting User:RussBot to go through my contribs. If need be, of course I'll go back through manually and change them all. Apologies to all for my errors. Onward, and (hopefully) upward I guess. ;-| — Ched :  ?  12:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

RussBot is now fixing my mistakes. My apologies to the community for my errors. — Ched :  ?  13:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

well, at least it appears that I'm not the first and only one to make this mistake - I guess that should make me feel a little better, but dag-gummit I hate to screw up! — Ched :  ?  14:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, again

Cheers. Let me know when you have time to consider that "Recently Deceased Editor / Notification Response" template matter. LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

• I have been wearing a suit and tie to work for over 30 years, meaning you are closer to my age than my Dad (who is 74 and doing well, as it happens). I am 50 this year... I don't know much about templates; I find one I like, gut the contents, replace it with my own (including usual wikilinks), give it a spanking new name, save it and let the wiki system sort out everything I've done wrong or failed to do. More important than how they work (you can quickly find a volunteer to do that bit) is to determine what the content should be; what it intends to achieve, where the reader should be directed, and how to address it to the intended reader. My method would be to brainstorm a block of text either on my own or with a colleague in a sandbox, give it a few tweaks upon review and then open it up for third party review and editing (possibly within Userspace). Once there is a consensus then find some teenager for whom formatting comes as easily to them as forgetting where I put my keys is to me and hopefully there is an end result - which only needs advertising in the high traffic pages. Generally, proceed boldly and ask loudly for help - usually works for me.
• Does this accord with your standard practice? LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The links needed should be driven by what is intended; we need to direct them to Office/OTSR so they can privately confirm who they are and what relationship to the editor, and to provide evidence of the death, we can make suggestions in how they may express their desires regarding the editors user space, we can warn them of the open editing nature of WP and how to address any problems that may arise from that... My view is that the links would follow from how the content is worded, rather than trying to sort the words to reflect the necessary links. We should be aware of the links required, but allow the flow of words to dictate when the link occurs. In short, make it read how you would wish to be greeted by such a notice under those circumstances - concise, sympathetic and with easily understood instructions on how to proceed in informing the community of the death. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Fine - it has been a concern of mine that there are far too few pages with "LessHeard vanU" in the title on Wikipedia. LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Cool, thanks! –Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I figure that either you took my comments to heart, or I was off-base. Either way, I envy your ability to convey such elaborate thoughts in such a clear and concise manner. ;) — Ched :  ?  16:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

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Capture the flag

Someone got yours? I think I'm a bit slow so I usually get caught. But maybe I'll try to grab one for myself... ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

LOL ..yea, I guess if someone asks at the help desk, I just won't be able to help. Not an issue I'm interested in pursuing right now though. I'll just say "go see someone else" ... lol. If WP sees fit to revoke my abilities simply because I didn't take advantage of them within 45 days .. that's the price I pay for being involved in other areas I guess. ;) — Ched :  ?  20:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy Memorial Day!

Just thought I'd leave a note :) — Huntster (t • @ • c) 22:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the Dual-Boot barnstar! I especially appreciate it with my computer background. I'm glad to hear that my work is being appreciated. Your work is certainly appreciated too! Royalbroil 02:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I appreciate all the work you do in so many different areas RB. Thought you'd get a kick out of that dual boot thing .. lol. ;) — Ched :  ?  02:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

RFA 4 U

Start of June? Pedro :  Chat  09:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied on my talk to keep in one place. Pedro :  Chat  10:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

• Go for it, Ched :) Steve Crossin ^Talk/_{Help us mediate!} 10:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Unless there are any major skeletons in your closet, I'd like to echo Steve's advice. Although I think you should stop belonging to the Pedro-sig-cabal SoWhy 11:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
    • And instead join the parenthetical Huntster-sig-Cabal! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 11:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
      • I'd rather think he should join the SoWhy-sig-Cabal. We could call it SoCabal! And admit it, Ched Davies looks much better than Ched (t • @ • c) SoWhy 11:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
        • Damn, foiled by excellent logic. Darn you, SoWhy!! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 11:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
          • Cabal? cabal? .. what is this word cabal you speak or of? ;) — Ched :  ?  18:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
            • "...speak or"? Subtle codes for caballery now? Man, I need to get myself a noo vocabularie. PeterSymonds (talk) 00:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
              • lmao .. busted ;( .. Hey Peter, how you doin? ... Been a while, hope life is treating you well. ;) — Ched :  ?  00:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

You didnt...

You didn't really rename this dog "Stick", did you? Steve Crossin ^Talk/_{Help us mediate!} 10:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, and more

Thanks for the barnstar Ched. :) I don't really see myself in any kind of leader...I just try to keep the pages on my watchlist in decent order. I certainly don't involve myself much in the community-at-large, just adding my two cents here and there. Often, that results in me being called out, correctly mind you, as being incorrect, hehe. In any case, as always, I'll do whatever I can to help anyone who needs help. It's the right thing to do!

Regarding "All seeing", why yes, I am all-seeing and all-knowing, which I inherited from my father before me.

...

BWAHAHAHA.

Utter silliness. In any case, the Bishies are humorous and mostly harmless. *looks over shoulder, sees nothing* Don't pay too much heed to rants, by Daedalus or anyone else. If they make a valid point, learn from it; if not, ignore altogether. I'm personally well-versed in that last bit, and am capable of ignoring sharp objects being thrust into my eyes (aka, reading all the dramaz pages here). I also award you 15.37 brownie points for use of the alt account template. Actually, I have a horrifically vast lack of knowledge of most things that happen around here...perhaps you and I simply inhabit many of the same circles (you being the more vocal one, and me being the dim-witted lurker).

As for the RfA thing, I trust Pedro entirely in his judgement, and think you'll do well. Honestly, I know nothing about RfA or its processes. I got by mine because I'd never really stepped on any toes or rocked many boats, so hardly any questions were presented to challenge me. I was extraordinary humbled by the faith that was shown towards me, though. Pedro has far more admin-y experience than me, having passed his RfA nearly a year before me and being more active in general. I'm sure he'll put together an excellent nomination. He certainly has a good track record of previous noms! If requested, I'll certainly co-nom, though I'm not necessarily very good at such things. Of course, you know which way I'll vote. :) — Huntster (t • @ • c) 10:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, okay, let me put it like this: do you feel like you are ready? Doesn't matter how many nominators come forward offering support and praise, if you don't feel ready for RfA, then without question politely decline. As I often and loudly proclaim, playing on Wikipedia should be a relatively stress-free thing. On the other hand, if you feel comfortable with the idea, then by all means go forth and multiply^H^H^H^Hdo admin-y things! No, adminship isn't a big deal, and there are many of us that wouldn't give a flying flip if the mop mysteriously disappeared one day. Having it just makes things easier and quicker to deal with. But those tools can become tempting to use in, ahem, less-than-sanctioned ways, and many users have been burned at the proverbial stake for doing so. I think you'd do fine, but in the end it is your decision, and I'll stand by whichever road you want to take. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 11:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Words of wisdom as always. I will sleep on the matter, and respond shortly. — Ched :  ?  12:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The only stupid question is the one that never gets asked, so never hesitate to ask for help and guidance if you feel you need it. I'll keep watch on that page, but you know me: I'm not much of a conversation starter...I'm much better at answering questions posed rather than making suggestions. But I will chime in if something catches my eye. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 22:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:

Going into semi-retirement, but I'll take a look at whatever you need help with in the morning (or sooner if you message me shortly after this message). :) — neuro^(talk) 00:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm free right now to help, just tell me what you want done -- I don't really understand about the first part. — neuro^(talk) 01:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

If you want to add paramaters, you add them in the form {{{NAME|DEFAULT IF NOT CALLED}}} -- to add that template to a page you use {{User:Ched Davis/templates/friend}}, and substing just does the equivalent of copying and pasting (or if you have parameters added, it changes them to whatever you are setting the parameters to. For example, if you have a parameter called 'blah' in the form foobar in a template called 'ding', if you typed {{ding}} you would get 'foobar', and if you typed {{ding|blah=hello world}} you'd get 'hello world'. That's how a default works. I can set up any templates you'd like, if you tell me what you want. :) — neuro^(talk) 01:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Done, should work fine with just {{subst:User:Ched Davis/templates/friend}}, you can also do {{subst:User:Ched Davis/templates/friend|their name|your name}}, or if you just want to specify the second one, you can either do {{subst:User:Ched Davis/templates/friend||blah}} or {{subst:User:Ched Davis/templates/friend|2=blah}}. :) — neuro^(talk) 02:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi mate

Hate to do this to ya, but I've gotta go. If you get a chance, could you add these to the WebCite archive? I've made you the 24 co-ordinator, by the way. Thanks. Keep in touch :) Steve Crossin ^Talk/_{Help us mediate!} 01:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

OK ... no problems buddy. Although I'm certainly not up to speed to the extent you are, I'll do my best. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I'll take care of that archiving Ched. I've got a hotlink in my toolbar that automatically does the job. BTW, you like racing games? If so, I've found a free, utterly amazing one called TrackMania Nations Forever. Might want to give it a try! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 02:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Great Huntster! I appreciate that!! I don't have that button, and would have to do manually. I think it's probably something that will become a lot more prominent in the future though, backing up refs. I'm looking over at the Trackmania site now, I just can't believe how far the graphics for this kind of stuff has come in such a short time. ;). — Ched :  ?  02:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC) (cc: to UT)

Well, hopefully we won't have to worry about backing up sites in the near future. User:WebCiteBOT has been created, which after thorough testing, will work to automatically archive any reference link that gets added to articles, and may have a feature at some point where lists of URLs, like Steve's, can be manually fed into it for automatic archiving. I'm excited :) — Huntster (t • @ • c) 02:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I had seen that WebciteBot come in and do its thing on an article I was working on a while back. And I even mentioned the whole idea that webcitation.org could help with his 24 articles. He had been manually saving links, and printing out the hardcopy for the articles. I should really put some time into that project for him, but so many of the sources for 24 revolve around blog type material. I know some of it is acceptable if it's a major news outlet with publishing oversight, but I'm just cautious about referencing those things on the edge. I think I asked a question at BAG one time, but it's not an area I'll be active in for quite a while. I love the bots when they work right, and I know a couple of the guys to ask if I want to do something .. so I'll probably just cheat and say "Hey Mr.-Z, MZM, etc. .. can ya do me a favor"? ... lol). I haven't done any programming in soooo long. Maybe one day when I need a change of pace. ;) (cc: UT)

←Whoaaaa ... I just caught that Steve is retiring from WP. Bummer. Hmmm ... I'd post a TP message, but he asks that we don't. Well, I know he's got a lot going on right now in R/L, and I think most of it is good stuff. Hopefully, he'll get all settled in to the things he wants to do, and have time to stop back in the future. I'll try to keep in touch via email. Good Luck Steve! We'll miss ya while you're gone, and I hope you stop back in from time to time when you can ;)— Ched :  ?  03:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, hope Steve keeps well. Feels like he's been around forever, so will feel odd not seeing him around. On another note, all inks archived, looks like no errors occurred in fetching. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 03:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Really quickly, have all these been archived? I was about to do it....Ched, you have an email. Steve Crossin ^Talk/_{Help us mediate!} 03:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that's what was taken care of, but I will follow up on it. Over the next few days, I'll start a "24" section with both these, their backups, and the watchlist I got from you a while back. Once I have something a bit more concrete, I'll drop a note with the link on your talk page if you'd like. I'll also shoot you the link in an email in case you don't login for a bit. My best to you and yours Steve, I'll stay in touch, and hopfully see you pop in (maybe in June ;)) from time to time. — Ched :  ?  03:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to do the archiving myself, just because of the saying "If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself". It's really, "If you want something done how you want it done, you have to do it yourself. But whatever. I'll add the full archive link details, as well as citation templates, for ease of use on Wikipedia. June? Hah. Seriously though, check your email. The one that you "check", not the wiki one. Steve Crossin ^Talk/_{Help us mediate!} 03:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Whatever works for you is fine by me. I got the email and replied, sent my cell and addy with it too. Will keep in touch. ;) — Ched :  ?  03:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused, but okay.... Yes, those were the links that I archived. Unless you were wanting to flesh out full author and etc detail, which I didn't do because it would take hours. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 05:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that the 24 project is just very important to Steve, and he knows that he'll be busy for a while, so he probably just wants to make sure he has copies for himself when he does have time to make it back. He mentioned to me on phone IM that some of the articles have had some disruptive IP editing at times, so I'll try to keep track a bit. He sent me a "watchlist" a while back, I just need to dig it out and post to a 24 page where I can check related changes. I'll have to add the brackets first, but I can do that fairly quickly with Excel. I made a backup copy of those links to .. so we'll have 3 copies floating around ... lol. That's the computer guys for ya ... copies of copies of copies ... lol. ;) — Ched :  ?  05:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Friendship Barnstar

I am truly honored to be the first recepient. The challenge to maintain my worthiness is great. Maybe I will just follow your lead!--Buster7 (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

No thank you , spa'am, but...

...thanks for your thoughts at my Rfa, Ched. I appreciated them. I see that you're planning to jump off the same cliff this summer. Don't sweat it, I think you'll land unscathed. But if you need any thoughts from someone who just went through the process, feel free to ask. Cheers — CactusWriter | ^needles 09:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, my thoughts were honestly typed, and indeed I admire your work. I'm not sure how close I am to the cliff yet; and, while I'm not one to jump, I don't mind being pushed ... lol. As far as sweating anything in regards to WP, ... naaa - it's a website. I noticed the word stress in the standard set of questions, and rather smiled. To me, stress is when my daughter calls me 10 minutes before I'm ready to leave on an extended road-trip, with limited Internet access, and says: "Dad, someone stole our company website - help me!". I noticed that Keegan mentioned the word timing, and I was truly impressed with his forethought in that. Personally, I'm a bit conscious of that as well. I don't want to sound like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory, but some recent events have piqued my interest too. I'm wondering if there is a bit of an unofficial case study underway - an example if you will, of "how-to" oppose properly. I'm interested in observing this for a bit, and seeing if there is any notice of it. I am more than willing to help where I can here. As much as the phrase "Admin. is no big deal" is bandied about, I often think that "non-admin is no big deal" .. lol. I'm here for the long-haul, and the end result. I'm in no big rush for anything in particular, and will be available when, or rather if, the need or desire arises.

The bottom line is that I truly love it here, and I've been so very fortunate in meeting some very wonderful people. I see things as though we are a family, perhaps a bit dysfunctional at times, but a family nonetheless. Yes, this thought was offered by a very wonderful wikipedian who is no longer with us, and I truly wish I would have had the opportunity to meet him, in that respect, I occasional try to gear my efforts to remembering those who came before us. But hey, I'm drifting off into a nostalgic fork here, and we should be taking this time to be grateful that we can welcome another wonderful editor into the role model portion of our family. I have no doubt that you will successfully follow in the footsteps of some truly admirable editors who have graced our hallowed halls. My very best wishes. ;) — Ched :  ?  09:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, timing is part of it -- not necessarily to pass -- but to avoid the drama. As I mentioned to Keegan, it seems to me that Rfas go through cycles of storm and fairweather. Keegan obviously already knew it, because he tossed my name in there, saying "It's time," even though I had previously said later in the summer was my preference. But he was right. It was clear that with the FlyingToaster affair and the board lit up with three more red candidates, the Rfa regulars were probably looking for a breather -- and a fairly boring editor like me would fit that bill. It might be because I like cinema, but it seems like there are a lot of editors who see Rfa as a reality series. I sense they secretly like to see the tally board lined up with reds and oranges -- that means juicy drama. On the other hand, even thrillers and horror movies have moments of respite to let the audience catch their breath. That was me -- a respite -- in and out of there before anyone noticed. They were all out getting popcorn. By the time they got back to their seats, Majorly popped up and took all the heat. Sometimes it's just timing. Fortunately, I can now go back to avoiding Rfa. I am returning to my regular scheduled programming -- I prefer sit-coms. — CactusWriter | ^needles 10:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes - I've noticed that as well, we often seem to get things in streaks. NOTNOW, Drama, "green-lights", I'll trust Pedro on that end of it, he has much more experience than I do in these matters. I guess I was drawn to RfA simply because I've so often in life been asked to step up, perhaps it's the "oldest child syndrome". Be it asked to be a class monitor/teacher sub in grade school, to taking the reigns of Shift Supervisor at a plastics plant, to having the "Network Admin." project dumped in my lap when Ashland Chemical purchased a new facility. I don't mind, in fact, I rather enjoy it. I'll avoid the more mundane things, like "editorA reverted my good faith edits", but I don't mind voicing my views if I think that someone is being judged unfairly either. I did feel bad for both FT and Majorly, I think they are both quality people, and nice people. I would certainly hate to be the focus of any drama, but I don't mind stepping in and trying to calm down a storm either. I guess I'm a student of human nature in a way. Single parent, personnel management, how to evaluate and encourage positive behavior, etc., etc.

Actually I probably will tap your knowledge-base down the road. I did some early work on Twilight (1998 film) in my early days. (Oh my... I wonder if that's some kind of "tell" in regards to drams ... lol) Kind of got me from NPP and "stub quality" editing up to the "start" level. I drifted away from films, ... probably because there seemed to be a lack of cohesion in the WP:FICT area - but I have noticed that NOT#PLOT seems to be headed in very positive directions. Anyway, congratulations again, and I look forward to working with you in the future. — Ched :  ?  16:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help with informing me about camera options. I bought my first DSL yesterday afternoon, a Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XS. I have already uploaded my first picture (File:44thParallellUSAWisconsinCalumetCounty.jpg). Now I just gotta figure out how to do the right settings for low light action shots at the race track. I took some test shots last night for a few minutes at dusk under street lights with cars passing by. They were a mess - the camera automatically shot with too slow speed even though I had it on "sport" setting. What kind of manual settings would you use for aperture and speed? I'm going to races tonight to get a real-world test. I need to work out the bugs by June 20th (I think) when one of my pictures from the old camera earned me garage and pit passes for the Nationwide race at the Milwaukee Mile. The weather finally was good enough on the night before last to let me drive the long 2 hr trip to Madison International Speedway, check out the new track panorama pic in the infobox. I'm up to 15 races at 14 tracks for 2009. You're on my watchlist, please respond here to keep it together. Royalbroil 12:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey! That's great, I think you'll absolutely love the new abilities a DSLR offers, and Canon is a great brand. Actually, my first SLR was a Canon Ftb - a real work-horse that gave me many years of great service! Actually I still have it, but just don't do much film anymore - the digital world firmly grasped me. (sometimes by the throat, but such is life ... lol). Low light sports eh? hmmm ... definitely a bit more of a challenge in auto-racing than the afternoon shots. I tend to bump my ISO up to the highest possible setting (without getting too grainy) first. I'm content with mine in the 800-1600 range for my current camera, (D80) but the improvements in high ISO vs. grain quality amaze me. You may be able to start at 1600. Then find the sweet-spots on the track as far as the best lighting. Decide what level of zoom you want to use. I often go by zoom=shutter speed. So if I'm shooting at 135 mm zoom, I want to keep my shutter speed at around 1/135. (I can get by at about 1/125 if I remember to plant my feet about shoulder width apart (staggered a bit front to back), dig my elbow into my (ever expanding) gut, and hold the camera firmly in both hands. (think of your body as a tripod) - I'll keep mode on shutter speed preferred most of the time, and let the camera pick the aperture.

The auto presets are a nice general way to get a feel for what the camera will do, or quickly jump to a new surrounding that will still give you a good pic. Check your pic quality often in the LCD screen, and zoom in to pick parts of the pic - it's only a small view of the whole thing - good for checking lighting, but not pic quality and sharpness. Remember that as you're panning with the cars, to have the right place to actually click already picked out. I've often thought I had a great pic in the making, only to find a light-pole coming down into the middle of the shot and obscuring the part of the car. I am far from being a professional, it's just a hobby that I enjoy a WHOLE bunch.

Actually, there is a guy(?) who is much more up to speed on the current topic of photography. Very very nice editor, tremendously talented, and his work with outdoor wildlife might translate well to sports in general. You might want to give User talk:Fir0002 a shout. He also has a huge amount of experience in WP:FPC if you drift into that direction (I thought the pic. you uploaded was very nice). He'll also be able to explain the concept of "thirds", and "composition" Actually, I may give him a shout later today, if time permits, since I haven't dropped by and said hi for a while - that is if you don't beat me to it. ;) ... thx for the help on the Christian BLP by the way - appreciate it. ;) — Ched :  ?  15:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a little more. The auto pre-set "sports" mode on many cameras will default to the highest possible shutter speed, thinking that you want a "stop action" shot. That will open up your aperture settings, which in turn will give you less depth-of-field. I don't know if that's the issue you ran into, but just a note. I was looking over the pics too, the wide-angle one you added shows meta-data of being a Kodak? Is that right? I do want to follow-up on the meta-data item too, I noticed you added it (just don't remember which article I noticed in ... lol). I did add that script to my monobook, but haven't really worked with it a whole bunch yet. Maybe this coming week I'll find some time to study up on it. You're doing great RB, don't forget to keep an eye on my "editor mentor" project - I do want to improve as an editor here at all times ... ;). Actually, it may come into play down the road - and I did start digging up some refs on the FL we talked about. I want to put some time into that project in the very near future as well. The phrase "audited edit content" comes to mind, and I want to be able to proudly say that you've been helping me improve my work here. ;) — Ched :  ?  16:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I took the camera to the races on Sunday night (16th races at 15th track). There were good and bad things that happened. It started bad - for some reason the lens was fogged up. The first several pictures were junk, so I grabbed my old point & shoot an hour or so. Then I checked the camera and everything was fine, so I started shooting. I was very impressed with the speed. The camera saved the shots faster than I could shoot them! I'm used to getting only 3 shots and about a 1 second lag. This was almost immediate. I could easily go from car to car immediately. I happened to have the camera on for the first few shots when the 4 cylinder cars were racing - thought it was a good time to test since they aren't as interesting. I just barely had it turned on when a 4 cylinder car did about 4 barrel rolls. I kept hitting the button 8 times and it kept up. Those pictures didn't turn out very focused even though it wasn't dusk. Maybe it was because I was looking toward the sun. Or maybe I had the camera on automatic setting instead of sport and the slower shutter speed was the problem. I tested some action shots with IMCA Modifieds looking into the sun on that same corner and it worked out great! You can see the dust rising and the cars leaning in the corner. Definitely better than my old camera. The camera did a much poorer job than my point and shoot once dusk set in. My old camera would have taken good shots when this one was producing blur. Once it got dark, I couldn't figure out how to set the camera to take slower speed shots without making the flash fire. I'm reading the manual. I suppose I'll have to use manual speed setting and turn of the flash. My old camera was real easy - all I had to do is turn off the flash and put it on auto mode. This Friday I'm going to take my 7 year old niece to her first races at the local track - nice time to test the camera again.

The meta data for the camera was right on the image, it shows the Canon. You must be looking at another one of my pictures - almost all of the rest were taken with my old Kodak (for the most part). I added geodata on that image because I wanted to prove where it was taken right on the 44th parallel. That's probably the only parallel article to have an image on it (besides the 45th parallel north).

I did a lot of research on cameras and photograph - my brother borrowed me books that he has. So I knew about thirds. I did use your suggestions as starting points for shooting. Thanks for suggesting Fir0002, I've enjoyed LOTS of his Featured Pictures. They're always done right! Royalbroil 02:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

On the fogging up issue, yep, I've noticed that with the higher end stuff. I think the higher quality glass (lenses) will be more sensitive to weather, temperature change, etc. Yea, it'll take a bit to get used to the "how to" things. Not so much a matter that a better camera will not work as well, but more a matter of knowing how to adjust the settings to make it do those things. One thing that might be a thought: Find the track photographer and approach him when he isn't busy. Explain that you're not interested in selling any of your work there. so you're not competition to him. Then ask him if he has any tips for you. Best places to catch the action, any lighting tips he may have and all. I've found some of those guys (and a girl once or twice), are often very glad to talk about photography and all. Sure, you'll run into a guy who's a bit stand-offish from time to time, but it never hurts to ask. If you act like a complete n00b, sometimes they'll just start talking away. You'll probably hear a ton of stuff you already know, but you might often find a tid-bit of good information you hadn't thought of too. On the meta-data, I probably got 2 different shots mixed up, and thought one of your Kodak ones was taken with the new Canon. Fir0002? ... yea, he's good. Very very good. Not sure where I ran into him first, I think it was either me asking about graphics here, or him asking about hard-drives. But good folk nonetheless. Hey, have a great time this coming weekend. Kids that age are great. I'm sure you'll have a blast. Cheers — Ched :  ?  16:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Good point, I should talk to a track photographer. I know the one at my local track. She is married to one of my classmates and we always talk on the rare occasional that she checks out groceries for we when I need something. Her husband used to pit fairly near to the guy that I pitted for during 5 seasons. I think my camera cost more than her camera did, she told me the price this winter. You never know, she might want me to take some pics if she wants to take a week off. Royalbroil 01:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

(deindent) About the RFA suggestion - GO FOR IT!! I think enough people know you and you've done what it takes to be an admin. Even if you don't pass, take in the respect that others have gained for you. Usually you can tell when someone's gonna pass if you look at mainly love from others on their talk page. Your talk page is full of it. Royalbroil 01:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool - heck, if you already know one, that's definitely the place to go. If she already knows you, she won't be concerned about you trying to take business away from her. I had one guy get kinda testy with me about that - told me "you've got a camera, go take pictures", and he wasn't even busy trying to get good car shots during time trials.

re: RfA. We'll see. The ball's in Pedros court right now, and he's away at the moment. I just found out that I've got family coming in at the end of the month, so that weekend would likely be bad. I have no doubt I could handle it well - but it is a community decision. They say it's no big deal, and to an extent I agree. What can be done with those buttons though is a big deal. I'd say that RFAR would be a good testament to that. In that sense, I have no doubt that I've used "rollback" properly, and very wisely. The bottom line is that not having those buttons is really the "no big deal". I think I'd work well with the new users, and the younger users. The block thing? .. Well, I wouldn't want to spend all my time on that - too easy to get cynical and jaded I'd think - at least for me. But not something I'd be afraid of either. There's enough experienced admins. that I wouldn't hesitate to just go ask when if I was in doubt. You know that from working with me on the editing end of things. The protect part of it I think is going to be important. Looks right now like we're looking at a roll out of some sort of flagged revisions before early August - and I've been trying to get a little deeper into the BLP stuff, although just at a very rudimentary level at this point. One thing I do need to work on though is getting uppity about my own reputation here. I can tend to get a bit snippy at times if infer the wrong thing and I get the impression that someone is questioning my ethics and efforts. Getting my feelings hurt a tad just because someone says something catty, I can handle. I don't have to have everyone like me to work well with them. I've stepped on a few toes along the way .. but that's to be expected I think. We'll see, I'm sure I'll talk to Pedro along the line when he gets back. I certainly don't think that there are "too many admins currently" .. lol. I'll help were I can, and work at things I think provide the wiki the most bang for my buck. — Ched :  ?  02:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Please add Category:Living people only to living people

Hi. I noticed that sometimes you are not very careful and you do edits like this one, where you added Category:Living people to a person who is dead. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Noted. I believe that this was when I first started into this massive project. You probably also realized that I incorrectly use the cat: "Living People" rather than the proper "Living people" (note case). A moot point in this case for sure, and apologies for the error. I believe if you'll look at my more recent work here, you'll notice that I've gotten much better with experience. Perhaps you'll notice that I diligently note items in Wikipedia:Uncategorized biographies of living people/BLPPotential/4 in an effort to maintain a track-ability factor as well. If you believe my work is sub-par in this area, and wish me to dis-continue my efforts in this, I am open to options. Thank you for your attention to detail in this very important project. — Ched :  ?  21:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Addendum I'll recuse myself from the project for the time being, and re-evaluate my efforts here in the near future with regards to "net negative vs. net positive". It is common for me to step back and look at the big picture, reassess, and give effort to my most worthwhile attempts in life. I'd welcome any further comments or suggestions you'd care to offer. — Ched :  ?  22:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I am disappointed that there has been no response to my reply with regard to the original WP:ABF post. I consider an error rate of an estimated <0.1% to indicate actions which are very careful. I do not consider this matter closed at this point in time, but I believe it best that I limit my words here. Perhaps I have expected too much. — Ched :  ?  05:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Quit yer self-loathing. I've screwed up a few myself. Apparently tagged a damn temple as a BLP... something like that. It was an oddly worded intro sentence. Anyway, check out WP:DGAF. Embrace it. Live it. لennavecia 05:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Here's the thing man, the intro sentence was poor at best as it is saying that a) you aren't careful and b) you have made a problematic edit. First, don't over analyze. It's cold hard text, so the more you sit and try and decipher it, the more your wheels will spin to no avail. Second, so what if it came from an admin? It's important that you realize that admins generally act in an editorial capacity. If I tell you that you suck, it's no worse than if it came from an IP, heh. Third, is WP a website or the family you mentioned? If it's just another website, your skin should be thick enough to respond to anything, right? If it's like we are a family, well, not everyone is going to be polite, going to get along, react the same, or under react for that matter. Think of it as a hybrid of both. You have to be prepared to attend the intervention of your uncle, while at the same time ignoring your mother-in-law who insists on bugging the shit out of you. Find your rhythm and stick will it Brother Ched. Law _{type! snype?} 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't agree with Jenna more: Don't-give-a-fuckism and Ignore all rules are the two best guidelines on this site. Especially given the extremely minor error, the positives significantly outweigh the negatives. Aka, who gives a fuck. :) — Huntster (t • @ • c) 06:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I didn't assume bad faith. I just gave some heads-up. I don't think that adding a wrong category is a sign that Ched is a bad editor. I really appreciate your efforts to help with BLPs and I certainly don't want you to discontinue. I just wrote some notes to editors seem to be more active with the project so we don't do double job. My apologies if I offended you. This was not my intention at all. Thanks and happy editing! Magioladitis (talk) 08:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ched. I understand that you felt offended by Magioladitis note above, but looking at the other side of the coin it's not really a "telling off" or anything - I think Magio could have phrased it a little better but equally the above post should restore some of your faith - it wasn't an assumption of bad faith it was just less than gently worded. Certianly a storm in a tea-cup! Hopefully when you've slept you'll see it for waht it is and not feel discouraged. Pedro :  Chat  08:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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Magioladitis (talk) has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit! My apologies for the bad wording.

Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

/me eats most of the pie. Oh, erm, sorry Ched. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 09:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

/me facepalm and self-trouts. Good nights sleep and suddenly I feel a bit foolish. I read those first words by Jenna, laughed my ass off, and thought "perfect words at the perfect time". Thank you all! Sorry Mag. Ya know, it's funny - some irate vandal I turned into AIV can waltz in, say FU, you're an A-hole Ched, and I'll just laugh. Don't know why I get so thin-skinned about other things. GamPap feels silly for acting like a little teenage drama-queen. Back to editing, fixing, and protecting the wiki - well, after I get my hands on that damn Huntster for eating my pie anyway. ;) k-Thanks all, I really am starting to feel like one of the family. — Ched :  ?  12:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes Ched, welcome to the family. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Law _{type! snype?} 12:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

LMFAO!! Good one Law! ;) — Ched :  ?  12:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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