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@CheezyCheddar, To edit in the Israeli-Palestinian topic area on Wikipedia accounts must be at least thirty days old and have at least 500 edits. This includes editing talk pages, with the sole exception being for very specific edit requests, which should be in the form of "change x to y for reason z". IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 01:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for notifying me about this. I am aware of this rule; however, I don’t believe I have violated it. My edit in the List of genocides talk page was a specific edit request. Although extensive, my edit request clearly laid out what it was I requested to change, what I requested it be changed to, and for what reason. I am new to this, so I would really appreciate the insight if I had missed anything in the way I structured my edit request. Thank you! CheezyCheddar (talk) 03:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't say for sure but my understanding is you can only make very specific edit requests, which should be in the form of "change x to y for reason z", without excess commentary/analysis etc.

Edit requests should also use the proper template and be their own entry on the talk page. You can use this tool Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard/Protected.

Let me know if you have any nore questions, I believe the rules regarding this are not well defined or at least not written anywhere completely clearly. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah, alright. Thank you so much! CheezyCheddar (talk) 06:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bothering you but I have made a couple of drafts for my request. The first one goes into detail:

• I believe that the lowest estimated killings figure for the Gaza genocide entry should be changed from 42,718 to 105, 131 and the highest estimated killings figure be changed from 186,000 to 384,462:
• These should be changed because the 42,718 figure only accounts for the confirmed direct deaths in the conflict, whereas thousands of indirect deaths have already been confirmed. *At least* 62,413 Palestinians have died by starvation alone according to the IPC, so adding the two figures would make a minimum of 105,131. Likewise, the 186,000 estimate by the Lancet is: 1. An estimate based on outdated numbers, 2. An estimated that was considered "conservative" by the Lancet from the beginning. The Lancet clarified that a high estimate would be the total amount of direct deaths multiplied by 15 (640,770), and a low estimate would be the total amount of direct deaths multiplied by 3. 640,770 does seem to be exaggerated, but the journal did consider its original estimate to be conservative, so taking a middle ground would be best (42,718 × 9 = 384,462):

The second one isn’t very specific, but I’m thinking I should just explain when someone eventually replies:

• I believe that the lowest estimated killings figure for the Gaza genocide entry should be changed from 42,718 to 105, 131 and the highest estimated killings figure be changed from 186,000 to 384,462
• The current figures in the article are not complete and/or are outdated

I have made sure to use the template you provided (thank you so much again for that) and I made sure to include the sources. I wanted to ask you which one would be better to post as an edit request. Thank you! CheezyCheddar (talk) 06:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure. This is quite detailed/complex for an edit request, and a lot of it seems to be original research/WP:SYNTH - are you familiar with these policies? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 07:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I was not familiar with those policies. Thank you. The source cited however does have an even higher estimate as a lowest possible estimate.

“ It is impossible to accurately estimate how many Palestinians in Gaza have died since October 7.

As the above evidence makes abundantly clear the number is far, far higher than the 41,495 who are confirmed killed by military violence as of September 25, 2024. With the known violent deaths, the estimated ten thousand people buried under the rubble and certainly dead, a conservative estimate of 62,413 deaths from malnutrition and disease, and a conservative estimate of 5,000 deaths in patients with chronic diseases, we estimate that the current death toll is at least 118,908, approximately agreeing with the projected estimates cited above.”

this source is also cited directly on the Gaza genocide article, which is it why I believe it fits better than the other number.

That being said, it doesn’t talk about the highest possible estimate so I guess that’s out of the question.

I guess the last revision could look like:

• I believe that the lowest estimated killings figure for the Gaza genocide entry should be changed from 42,718 to 118,908
• The 42,718 estimate only accounts for direct deaths. If we account for indirect deaths, it will move up to 118,908. This is the lowest possible estimate according to the IPC, and the same exact source is cited on the Gaza genocide article.

Thank you again for helping me out, I really appreciate you telling me the correct way to make an edit request. CheezyCheddar (talk) 23:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the effort you've put into this. If you ever become extended confirmed you will be able to engage in this topic area more and participate in discussions regarding this type of content.

Unfortunately your edit request is unlikely to acted upon but it might be worth trying, that's up to you. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah alright, again thank you so much! CheezyCheddar (talk) 04:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Nice edit request. Well formatted. Unfortunately you won't be able to discuss any details or response to other editors.

If you're serious about contributing in this topic area and about contributing to Wikipedia in general, take your time to get to the 500 edits required to become extended confirmed.

Just be aware not to "game the system" by making many minor edits. There's no need to rush and you will learn about and become familiar with Wikipedia's many policies and guidelines (which are strictly enforced in the Israeli-Palestinian topic area) while you are making your first 500 edits. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 05:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your help, and I’ll be looking for places I can positively contribute to! CheezyCheddar (talk) 06:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)