Chngthengteng

Taiwanese people

Don't remove the image from Taiwanese people. The government website of ROC (Taiwan) states:

With the exception of over 433,524 indigenous peoples in 2002, Taiwan’s population is composed almost entirely of Han Chinese. Early Han Chinese immigrants are of two groups: the Hakka, mostly from Guangdong Province, and the Fujianese, from China’s southeastern coastal province of Fujian. These two groups comprise about 85 percent of the Han population, with the Fujianese outnumbering the Hakka by about three to one. [1]

You have absolutely no valid reason to remove the image, nor any valid reason to remove "Han Chinese" term for Hoklo people. It is a valid term used by everyone from world governments to academic institutions. — Nrtm81 20:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the problem with the use of "Chinese" is that while some use it as an anthropological term, it is actually used as a political term also. When one chooses to define an ethnic group as "Chinese" they are also making a political statement. This becomes problematic. Thus, to avoid the confusion, only use the term Han since that would not only be more accurate, but also less controversial. Chngthengteng 15:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)chngthengteng

The use of defining the Han people of Taiwan as "Chinese" is problematic because it has political implications. To continue to do so, will simply confuse people on the identity of the people of Taiwan. Chngthengteng 15:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)chngthengteng

Were you 71.106.x.x? That person said "Han Chinese" was controversial and recommended "Chinese" instead. Anyway, you say "Han Chinese" is OK, then please restore the image. Clean your browser cache because that image uses "Han Chinese" now. What's important is to use the currently accepted terms which is "Han Chinese" used by the ROC government in Taiwan. There's no problem to mention about Hoklo and Hakka having mixed with the Pingpu (lowland aborigines) and about not being "northen Han". I just think it's POV pushing to remove the image and also to remove "Han Chinese" term. — Nrtm81 18:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, you can add your signature by typing four tilde marks after your message. — Nrtm81 18:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not 71.106.x.x My id is chngthengteng and all edits I make is with that signature. If you read my comment, I am saying the usage of "Chinese" when referring to the Taiwanese people in any context is problematic. I realize that most people who use the term "Han Chinese" believe they are using it to define an ethnic group. But when academia refers to the Han people in Japan or Korea, they do not call them "Han Chinese."

What I am saying is that by including Chinese in the definition of Han, a political statement is being made. I believe that to avoid conflict, just use the term Han and you retain the accuracy and will not create controversy. Any definition which includes "Chinese" when defining the Taiwanese people will continue to face resistance from members of Wikipedia. This resistance will come mostly from Taiwanese people themselves who disagree with that characterization. Chngthengteng 15:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)chngthengteng

Greetings

Pêng-an chhut-thâu-thiⁿ! – Khái-sū (talk) 19:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)