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I found etymology on this page: XVIII Dynasty Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 14:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

http://www.narmer.pl/indexen.htm

@Xand2: That's not a reliable source, so it can't be used on Wikipedia. It's also not allowed to steal someone else's work and pass it off as your own, especially if their work is copyrighted. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

About my other words they are from free Ancient Egyptian dictionary Dickson and out of copyright dictionary by Wallis Budge vol 1 and 2 on Archive org.Perhaps you didn't notice at the time my edits were made, I was mostly on Croatian Wikipedia (hr) and made here only about eight new edits today, perhaps I was editing for awhile and didn't notice and you made warnings in intervals of several minutes only and on Sarcophagus article it is neb ankh lord of life just as my etymology.

If you are having problems searching Egyptian dictionary you can look here: Ꜣ (A) Ꜥ (a) ḥ (H) ḫ (x) ẖ (X) š (S) ḳ (q) ṯ (T) ḏ (D), you can set in PDF that word is whole or case sensitive.First part is official Ancient Egyptian transliteration and second is in Latin alphabet for those that cannot see these characters you can use free Dejavu font to view it.I hope that helps. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• https://archive.org/details/DictionaryOfMiddleEgyptian

• https://archive.org/details/Budge.AnEgyptianHieroglyphicDictionary.vol.1

And you reported me as vandal which isn't true you can see my contributions that after 15:23 UTC is my last edit on Hathor page rest is on my talk page and Chris talk page.If you look at my talk page where Chris posted last three warnings it is in:15:47, 15:48, 15:49 UTC at that time I was mostly on Croatian Wikipedia and didn't see it.My Egyptian words are mostly from free Dickson dictionary which is creative commons licence. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I've already given you sufficient warning and advice. If you would source your edits Wikipedians would stop reverting you. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

You can look at Croatian Wikipedia Xand2 contributions and will see that after 15:48 I have only edited Croatian Wikipedia articles till 17:44 and on English Wikipedia only talk pages since then and you posted three warnings after 15:47 which I didn't see most in short time ranging from one to three minutes in which I didn't edit any English Wikipedia articles.I noticed after seeing that you have reported me as vandal that in your edit summary was warnings which I also didn't see.What about Dickson dictionary it is creative commons licence and Budge dictionary is out of copyright, so can I post Egyptian words if I make reference? Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 20:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Help with Reince Priebus

Hi Chris troutman, hope you don't mind I'm reaching out to you, as I saw you'd been involved in a brief discussion on the Reince Priebus article's Talk page this summer and thought you might be able to help with some corrections for that article. The main corrections I'm seeking are as follows: fixing Priebus's name, which is given as "Reinhold Reince Priebus" but should be "Reinhold Richard Priebus" (Reince is a nickname), and clarifying his parents' names and occupations. There's a few other additions to the article that I'm suggesting as well.

I should mention: I do have a financial conflict of interest as I'm proposing these changes on behalf of the RNC and I won't make any direct edits to the article. I've listed the corrections and updates on the Talk page here. If you have the time, I'd be grateful if you could review and make the changes if they look good to you. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 23:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: when you put out blasé and inadequately researched COI feelers, [1] you can make others the victim of what appears to be a WP:OUTING attempt. [2] Next time, try to focus on the bad guys. I'm not one of them. Champaign Supernova (talk) 06:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for the trouble you're having. I asked a question and accepted your answer. What other editors do is beyond my control. I have no interest in outing anyone. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:24, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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See its Talk page. I think the response answers your question about Champaign Supernova. 71.23.178.214 (talk) 19:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Also see this. 71.23.178.214 (talk) 00:09, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Please stop. If anyone would like to formally accuse me of COI or something else, please go ahead and do so through the appropriate channels. What you're doing here on this talk page is a Wikipedia version of "talking behind my back." It's immature and uncivil. Champaign Supernova (talk) 01:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@71.23.178.214: You are no longer welcome on my talk page. Leave me out of it. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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I think it may be you who sent me a message about my application for this. I saw it on my mobile phone but cannot find a trace of it on the site. Perhaps it will be better to delete my application for this. It was made long ago and I have become involved in other longer-term Wikipedia projects, with rather limited to time to spare. Thank you for your enquiry about the application, anyway. Bmcln1 (talk) 09:10, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: I posted the message to your talkpage in error and I reverted myself. Your BNA account was created on 14 November. If you want to end your account, please confirm. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bmcln1: Confirm, then. I don't want to hog something that others might make better use of. Bmcln1 (talk) 22:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

20:11:06, 10 December 2014 review of submission by Bobwells1960

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Requesting a re-review due to similarity with article on similar subject that has been published. Hi Chris: I am still trying to get the Camp Manitou for Boys article published.

My main question is why does this article get rejected when a similar article about a similar camp (Camp Androscoggin) has been published. There is no substantive difference between that article and the one I am trying to publish. Please advise.Bobwells1960 (talk) 20:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@Bobwells1960: I'm sorry for your frustration with this process. I've had more than one editor stop by with the same question. You can't point to other articles as precedence. Wikipedia has a lot of substandard articles. The one you pointed out was created before our draft process was in-use. I agree, Camp Androscoggin isn't sufficiently notable so I've nominated that article for deletion. We'll see what happens. That article does have one book as a reference, which your draft lacks. The points I made about your draft's problems remains unchanged, however. Is there a reason you're determined to have this draft approved? I have half-a-dozen sandbox entries I'm working on currently. I know that some of them simply may never have enough referencing.

Let me point out one fact, though. New editors often go through AfC because they don't know what they're doing or because their account is too new to create a new article. If your account isn't new, then why not just create the article? Yes, it might get deleted but if you want to get approval from AfC I doubt it'll ever come. You might also consider offering an award at the reward board. You might find a Wikipedian who will be willing to do this for you for a meager prize. I improved the article about Vladimir Remek all to have another ribbon on my user page. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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I would like to request training for the CVU academy. I am semi-proficient in seeing vandalism and bad edits, but rarely edit at all and would like to get more useful edits on my belt as well as contribute to Wikipedia. James1011R (talk, contribs) 09:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@James1011R: Ok, I notice you've started The Wikipedia Adventure. Complete that. Once you've gotten all the badges from that I'll create your CVUA page.

So you know, the course itself will take more than a week, at least. There are many questions and practical exercises and I expect you to complete one section after another. Will you be editing frequently enough to finish the course? I don't want you to start only to quit later. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I actually quit TWA, because of the sole reason that I don't want my userpage and talk page messed with by it. (because I'm not new, and therefore shouldn't be doing TWA) James1011R (talk, contribs) 22:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

You can delete the badges after the fact. If you don't want to complete TWA then I'd recommend trying another CVUA instructor. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hey there ! On the UCLA course, this article was just noted as a GA. It's not (some essay-like, term-paper like, uncited conclusions, many MOS issues, very old sources, etc.) Are you interested in cleaning it up, or tagging where cleanup is needed, or should I? I'm already dealing with quite a few student cleanups ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Also, from the same course, I went through and did some cleanup and editing at Joseph Jastrow‎, which has a lot of statements about the quality of his medical research, cited to himself (statements that need third-party citation, and one citation to answers.com, which is not a correctly written source). I cleaned up everything else I could there.[3] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:57, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I've already replied to your ill-thought post at ENI. No, I'm not cleaning up a damn thing. I have done my best to guide these students and reprimand them when they screw up. Their poor editing is reflection of their own work. If it bothers you, tell WEF to cancel the education program.

Get off my talk page and don't return. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I apologize. I guess I misread you. As a campus ambassador I'm torn between letting the students' poor work speak for itself and being a good Wikipedian by cleaning the mess up. I understand you've been active in this area and it becomes a mess for you to clean up. For what it's worth, I think this'll be the last semester I serve as campus ambassador without enforcing my will on the process. I'm unhappy with a lot of what the student editors have been doing and while I agree in principle to bringing them to Wikipedia I don't feel I have enough control over their activity. I'll start tagging and cleaning up as the semester winds down. Again, sorry to bite your head off. Anytime I see a noticeboard message about me I lose my mind. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:44, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Chris. Please do not worry about any notion of "biting [my] head off"; clearly, my posts were somehow insensitive or unclear, or you would not have reacted as you did. It is so thoughtful of you to clarify and apologize, and I deeply appreciate it. I perhaps spoke too casually or informally or without clarity here on your talk and on the noticeboard, and wasn't careful enough to communicate my intent clearly. My informality was because I have seen and respected your good work (not just wrt EP articles, but generally around the Wikipedia), and so didn't take enough time to make sure what I wrote wouldn't be misunderstood. Big lesson learned for me ! You do seem to have been quite effective with the students, so I hope you won't give up entirely, or at least not based on this incident. Take care, be well, best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:56, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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21:35:41, 14 December 2014 review of submission by OptimisticFuture

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Thanks Chris for your review

I have taken note of your comments which were most helpful and have made what I hope you will find to be suitable alterations to the page.

To assist in your re-review here are some additional references and comments that I hope will serve to establish conformance to the general notability guidelines. I take it that you are not disputing the facts in the article nor their verifiability but if this is also a concern I can provide yet more evidence of same if you could let me know which you are disputing.

Please let me know if you agree that the article is now ready for resubmission

• Her "A Coin for Every Country" initiative has been written about by Stephen Douglas in If I Had a Million Dollars...I'd Ease the Pain of HIV/AIDS in Africa: A How ...

• Her work on "A Coin for Every Country" was also the subject of an 8 minute segment on CBC Radio "Metro Morning" magazine programme in 2005 (exact date uncertain - not available on the web any more)

• She is praised by Stephen Lewis (former United Nations Special Envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa and Canadian Ambassador to the United Nations) for her work as a "true leader in HIV/AIDS and social justice" - see [4]

• Heather Kohlmann writes about her work on the "Give a Day for AIDS" campaign in "this" Magazine

• Canadian Press article about "Give a Day for AIDS" published in The Globe and Mail

• Susan McClelland in Best Health writes about her as one of 5 inspiring women who are changing global health

• As Canada is one of the G8 countries I am having difficulty understanding how membership of the federal House of Commons (Parliament) of that country can be characterised as a "minor office" by Wikipedia. Every current Canadian MP has a Wiki page (see List of House members of the 41st Parliament of Canada) and many of them appear to have no notability OTHER THAN being an MP (e.g. Earl Dreeshen whose only other claim to fame apparently is that he was a farmer and a teacher - worthy occupations in their own right but hardly sufficient to establish notability). Most of these are not at Cabinet level (per Wikipedia:POLOUTCOMES). Furthermore, members (not cabinet ministers) of Provincial Legislatures and even City Councillors appear to have their own Wiki page with no other credentials being apparent e.g. Lon Borgerson, Gary Crawford (who was a losing candidate in the 2007 Ontario Provincial Government election).

• I have re-added the external link to the riding of Markham-Stouffville since the Wikipedia page on the riding of Markham is about a riding that no longer exits and there is. as yet, no Wikipedia page about the new riding.

OptimisticFuture (talk) 21:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@OptimisticFuture: I've removed the link you re-added. Wikipedia does not allow external links in the body of the article. That the riding has been re-drawn does not necessitate an explanation in that fashion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Philpott is not a member of Parliament. If she were, I'd agree that she's notable per WP:NPOL. Philpott is the Liberal candidate and she's hoping that someday the Liberals win enough seats for her to be included. Further, you cannot point to other articles to excuse shortcomings in your own draft. This is a very common argument as you can see from my talk page and it's understandable since new editors would naturally look to existing articles as an example. The problem is that we have so much sub-standard content that gets by the filters that often what Wikipedia does look like is not what it should look like. If you want you can nominate those other articles for deletion.

On a separate note, I see that you are a single-purpose account. If you intend to continue editing you would do well to announce any conflict of interest you have. (Assuming you are associated with her campaign, etc.)

Many of the sources you use discuss the charities and such and don't talk about her or barely mention her. The YouTube video you link to (which isn't a reliable source) may feature someone who is notable but that notability isn't inherited. The video itself looks like it's been put up by another charity. None of these ventures is what I'd call independent or reliable. What their saying about Philpott is a public relations exercise. News sources are far better for notability claims.

I don't think this draft is any more passable then it was before. That said, I hope you realize that AfC is for unregistered IP users. After the Seigenthaler incident, Wikipedia prevents anyone from creating an article without a registered account. AfC isn't a "how to write an article" workshop. You could simply move your draft into the main namespace without waiting for a reviewer to approve it. Of course, someone else would likely nominate that article for deletion but Philpott just isn't notable and there's nothing you can do. The day she takes up office in Ottawa you'll be set. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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Question about changing wikipedia article names

Hi Chris,

I wrote a page on the UCLA Institute for Research on Labor and Employment but I accidentally created the page as UCLA Institute of Research on Labor and Employment. I would like to fix this, but I can't seem to do it without getting flagged somehow. Can you please help?

Khwang17 (talk) 18:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Khwang17:  Done Article is now called UCLA Institute for Research on Labor and Employment. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

Khwang17 (talk) 19:39, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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I have been a CVUA enrollee with Jeffrd10 but he said that he won't be able to teach me anymore. Would you be able to be my instructor? Thanks. You can see our previous CVUA page here. -24^Talk 23:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure. We'll continue training where your last instructor left off. I've posted a new section for you to work on. I'll assign new sections as you successfully complete what I've assigned. If you plan to be away from wiki for more than a week I expect to be promptly informed. Be sure to follow my instructions carefully through the training. I want exactly what I ask for. I probably have one of the more demanding courses of any CVUA instructor but if you can pass this you'll be ready for counter-vandalism. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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17:12:26, 22 December 2014 review of submission by Alexchappel

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Hi there. I have added a lot more references from a lot more sources. Some do not meet the reliability criteria because, for example, they are just listings, however where this is the case I have tried to include more references for the same fact to help support it.

The problem/frustration I have with this article is that I know this group to be noteable, but I am also aware there is very little written about them as they are quite new. I always expected my article would be a seed which will grow as the group's noteability grows. In the meantime I'm hoping there is enough evidence of awards and a recent sell-out concert in a large, prestigious and established venue (Electric Brixton 15th November), along with a few reviews and previews in off-line press and reliable newspapers, to establish that they do exist and that I haven't written anything non-factual about them.

If not, could you suggest something that might help? there is a lot more material on the internet that I have not included as I didn't deem it appropriate, such as YouTube videos and also pictures. Please advise. Thanks.

I must emphasise also that I am not directly connected to the group/band. I genuinely was surprised when I tried to research them (as a DJ) that there was not a wikipedia page about them, and therefore created one to benefit people like me searching in the future, as I genuinely believe it is useful and noteable.

Alex Alexchappel (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

@Alexchappel: Let me disabuse you of a couple concepts.

"I know this group to be noteable, but I am also aware there is very little written about them"

This isn't so. The word notable specifically means that they're written about. If they're not written about they're not notable. Maybe you're a fan and you think more people should care about them. Wikipedia doesn't care. We're waiting for people and subjects to make a name and then we'll write about them. Local bands frequently have this problem and they all go home disappointed.

"I always expected my article would be a seed which will grow as the group's noteability grows." Yes, I've heard that, too. The problem is the article has to be sufficient to stand on it's own. A few years ago anyone could write new articles and many of our current articles pre-date our draft process.

I don't have any suggestions for you as the subject simply isn't notable. They need to sell a gold record or get serious news coverage. Coverage in Lancaster Guardian, Plymouth Herald, and North Wales Pioneer is a good start but even in those articles Slamboree is just a mention. Those articles don't center on them. Typically I'd say that if the source isn't itself notable then the source doesn't help confer notability on the subject. Selling out concerts isn't a criterion; charting is. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Request on 01:08:49, 24 December 2014 for assistance on AfC submission by Alexchappel

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y Hello Chris. Thank you very much for your reply and for clearing up some misconceptions. I'm not sure if I am replying in the right way, but I'm sure you'll see this message and hopefully correct me if not.

Just to clear up one thing: I am aware that an annoying number of "fans" must post about their favourite band/group/act before they reach notability simply because of their enthusiasm for the band ("Maybe you're a fan and you think more people should care about them.") Just to clear this up, I understand this and would not have written the article if that were merely the case - I have a professional interest in Slamboree as a DJ and in other professional areas and therefore sincerely thought an article would be useful to others too. I also want to get better at writing wikipedia articles. I have a few suggestions and questions regarding this, and realise you're probably busy but would really appreciate if you could answer or point me in the right direction....

1. For me and possibly others this article is useful, but it probably does not belong on wikipedia until I do some more research or they become more notable. Is there an alternative wikipedia-like site or sister site which would be a more appropriate repository for such material?

2. Is there an official page where I can make suggestions to improve wikipedia's policies or guidelines? The difficulty is, I think the music industry has changed a lot in recent years, with bands/groups/acts becoming important or acclaimed despite not charting, winning major awards or being the sole subject of articles in off-line press (although I admit that the latter is probably an important indicator). Many may even exist as live acts only, meaning that their success is difficult to track or judge based on sales figures of music and also may sell their wares completely independent of any established charts or awards. It is a generally well-known concept now in independent music that bands may not be signed to a major label, and indeed may not even aspire to be, and therefore much of their success both financially and in terms of esteem is measured in the success of live performances. I would suggest that selling out a major venue (and maybe certain venues, or those over a certain capacity, could be regarded as reliable in same way that certain publications are) perhaps should or could be a viable criterion for inclusion. After all, you point out that "Coverage in Lancaster Guardian, Plymouth Herald, and North Wales Pioneer is a good start" and I would venture to suggest that being booked by a 1,700 capacity venue and selling it out is a much more difficult achievement than being covered by those publications. Hope you see what I mean! I hope I'm not being presumptious and always willing to learn.

Thank you in advance

Alex

Alexchappel (talk) 01:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

@Alexchappel: To answer your questions first:

1. I'd try Rock Music Wiki.
2. To make a request for a change in the criteria, post at the guidelines talk page. While we're on the subject, start talk page discussions without the formatting seen at the AfC help desk. You can also list your draft at our "Requested Articles" page.

Don't get me wrong, I understand what it is to be a fan. I found out about Jim "The King" Brown back in the late 90s and I loved his schtick. I had wanted to write an article about him for quite awhile but couldn't until I could scrape together the sources. It's not the best article I've ever written but I'm proud that I could share his act with others. Sometimes you have artists that fly under the radar and our guidelines don't allow for those. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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21:07, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into my article Mr. Troutman. I am writing an article on this subject and I have quoted a Professor who have discussed the term in terms of Passive sponsorship. I have seen a couple of more places this term has been discussed, how many articles (ball park estimate) it needs to be discussed in to be able to make it to Wikipedia.

Regards,

Mona

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@Monaa Hassann: There's not a hard-and-fast number but I'd want to see at least four independent journalistic or academic sources. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:48, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

General Davis or Davison

OK, thank you for your comment on my page. Your reference seems helpful. I followed the link and read the article, and your source seems valid

But, when I was in 8th Infantry the chain-of-command photos had his specifically captioned "General Frederic Davis." I remember that as it was the first time I'd seen "Frederic" without a "k." Not saying I was a really strac trooper who memorized everything everywhere, but's that's really what it said where I was.

So, knowing how much history has been changed since Gen. Davis had the 8th Infantry, I'm not going to argue the point with you. But I also believe the listed dates of his command are also wrong, as I remember his photo being on the chain-of-command pictures that were outside the company's orderly room, and we had to check them every time we had guard duty in case we were asked who was in what position at that time. I was doing guard duty 'way past the end of 1973, and his picture was still there. In fact, all the time I was there his was the only photo of the division's commanding general.

I never met him, I never personally saw him, so really the only facts I have to go on was that photo on the wall. So, if there was a change in command, I never heard of it and the chain-of-command photos were never changed in that company. That's a major lapse on the part of the company's orderly room, and further, I never heard of Generals McDonough or Cleland, either. I was there until '76, and, according to Wikipedia, there were three different commanding generals during my service there. Never heard of any of them other than Davis, and his was the only photo of a commanding general I ever saw.

I was at a fairly isolated post, but when there's a change-of-command in a division, everyone knows about it. I never did, nor, apparently, did the company's commanders where I was.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue with you, but Wikipedia has history that doesn't match not only my personal memories, but written ones, too. So have fun with "Davison," and if I'm the one who's wrong, it's not my fault. It's whoever was in charge of the pictures.--2602:306:3600:95B0:75A5:5639:6D1D:3E15 (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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Draft:Igor Janev and Official Gov, site

See "Во македонските историски движења познато е дека д-р Игор Јанев беше Специјален советник на Министерот за надворешни работи во 2002 година" ("In Macedonian historical processes it is known that dr. Igor Janev was Special Advisor of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Macedonia in 2002."). This is from official Macedonian Government site.183.86.209.149 (talk) 08:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Igor Janev should be classified under WP:NPOL person, since he was Special Adviser of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Macedonia in 2002.183.86.209.149 (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

See also User talk:Jimbo Wales — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.86.209.149 (talk) 08:29, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks! I'll admit I expected to get noticed for biting editors long before being recognized for kindness, but a barnstar is much nicer than an invite to ANI. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Chris, I just wanted to say I'm glad to see you're back. Our class really appreciated your efforts to stand up for us and make WP a less hostile place for new editors. Kguan10 (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

@Kguan10: Thanks for saying so, although I don't feel I was successful in that role. None of the students in the previous psychology classes encountered that much "attention" so it was very much unanticipated on my end. WEF has cancelled the ambassador program altogether and you can read my op-ed about it in The Signpost due out on the 31st. While I'm sure each of you got quite the education this past semester, I hope you've found that editing Wikipedia is generally a very positive experience. We (editors and readers of Wikipedia) appreciate the content you've added to articles like parent management training. The encyclopedia doesn't write itself and volunteers like you make it happen. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I'm very sorry to hear the WEF ambassador program has been cancelled. I look forward to reading your op-ed. Unfortunately, while overall I feel that parent management training has improved significantly, I am quite discouraged from contributing to WP again. I hope the general attitude towards student/new editors improves in the future, because alienating people who care a lot about the topics they choose and have a lot of skills/knowledge to offer is detrimental to WP as a whole. Kguan10 (talk) 21:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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Elsevier

Hi, forgive me, but as I can see many aplications for Elsevier account were done after my notification but are already approved. I did it as 11th person. I hope you can find some time to check my application, and after analyze of my artlices you can give the acceptance :) Jacek555 (talk) 17:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

@Jacek555: The Wikipedia Library does not operate on a "first come, first served" basis. We had many accomplished editors apply for the Health & Life Science resource so I carefully considered which editors would get the first 10 accounts. You will likely get waitlisted for that resource and if more accounts become available I'll contact you. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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@Becky Sayles: Thanks so much. I see you've been busy at AfC, too. I guess we'll all keep baling to keep this boat afloat. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:14, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for the recognition. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:02, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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More info about the "Elsevier ScienceDirect" project.

Hello.

I got interested in the ScienceDirect projects and especially the Elsevier subgroup. I might not apply for actual participation right now, but am happy to see projects like these being launched. However I miss some solid information and I hope you - as account coordinator - will help with these open questions? Other Wikipedians might ponder too.

• Are there any pay involved, when agreeing to participation as an editor? Does Elsevier (or other companies) pay/donate anything to anyone for getting their material out on WP?
• Are there any goals or benchmarks on productivity? Comment: I mean when only 30 accounts are available, unused accounts might be a bad idea.
• Are there any guidelines on what will qualify/disqualify you for approval? Comment: I have contributed some scientific material to WP, but how much is enough?

I hope you will find the time for leaving a useful reply.

Thanks a lot for taking part in projects like these. RhinoMind (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@RhinoMind: I'm glad to answer your questions.

• No, no one gets paid for anything. Our partners (like Elsevier or British Newspaper Archive) are nice enough to donate free accounts. Their only expectation is that editors say where they got it. Citation templates have a parameter called "via" where you can specify how you accessed the source. In some cases the partner may solicit editors to blog about the good experience they've had or provide other feedback.
• There aren't any benchmarks or quotas for production, although there probably ought to be. The continued participation of our partners is based in part on how the accounts are used. If after a year they're not happy with the project they'll pull the plug. I intend to approve as many accounts as I can so we shouldn't have any unused accounts.
• The project pages list minimum requirements for editors to be considered, although the typical qualifications of the average applicant are much higher. I select the editors with the most content creation in the applicable field especially when the number of accounts are limited. Editors with proven content creation are those we would trust to best utilize these resources.

If you're interested in an account feel free to apply. I can't promise anything as plenty of other accomplished editors have applied, too. Good community response may encourage our partners to increase the number of accounts they're donating. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:40, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

BNA

I have updated my details for the British Newspaper Archive registration. Thanks for your reminder to complete this. Andrew D. (talk) 17:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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00:48:12, 5 January 2015 review of submission by Venether

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  • Draft:Andrei Prychodko (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Chris Troutman, OOPS! a misunderstanding or error. This version of the article on Andrei Prychodko was neither ready nor intended to be submitted for review. It is a trial, rough draft awaiting total overhaul. Perhaps a "submit" button was clicked by mistake. Thank you for the pertinent feedback... Venether (talk) 00:48, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Venether (talk) 00:48, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@Venether: You didn't, Tikuko did. If drafts sit for too long they get deleted, so that may be why they did that. Arpast created this draft so shall I assume that was your account, too? If you re-submit the draft be advised when the interface asks you, click "as creator" so notifications about the draft go to you rather than Arpast's talk page. Feel free to ask me questions if you have issues. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Reusing rediected sandboxes

Hi Chris. I didn't want to confuse the new user, so I am posting here instead about your reply at the AfC help desk. I deliberately didn't suggest that the redirect be removed and another article be made in the sandbox, for two reasons: First, some new users only know how to find their sandboxes and may be depending on the redirect to find their submission after another user has moved it. But more importantly, removing the redirect and reusing the sandbox messes up some of Wikipedia's notification processes. If you look at the history of User:Sguthery/sandbox, you'll see that the first edit is not by Sguthery, but by the person who did the redirecting. Sguthery's edits have all been moved to the Draft. That means that if he makes a second article in the sandbox and the page were later nominated for deletion, for example, he would not be notified, and the person who moved the first page would receive a confusing notification about a page which he/she had never edited. It does work okay if the page is deleted, rather than just emptied, though, but since most users can't delete pages directly I recommended that he make another subpage and save the sandbox for its intended use, which is experimentation. I hope I have explained this clearly.—Anne Delong (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Huh. I hadn't thought about that. When I saw your comment I was left wondering why you'd go the long way around explaining about creating a new sandbox rather than just fix the existing sandbox. I could undo my edit but I'm not sure that would be what the user wants, either.

I would suggest the coding needs to be changed if notifications about Sguthery's sandbox will go to Cloudz679, just because of the history move. I will keep that in mind in the future; thanks for letting me know. I appreciate everything you've been doing for AfC. My RfA vote for you is the one I'm proudest of. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, Chris. The user has both options, so he/she will find a way to create another draft one way or the other. It may not be easy to fix that problem, since the record of a deleted redirect becomes buried in the page history after the sandbox is reused. I think the problem is more with people's use of the sandbox. Somehow over time it has evolved to be a place to create drafts, rather than a place to experiment with wikicode. It's likely because of the easy-to-find "Sandbox" link at the top of everyone's page. I have argued on the Village Pump that there should be a "Subpages" link as well, but my suggestion was met with disinterest. Anyway, thanks for all the work you are putting in at AfC. I'd like to work the queue more myself if I could just get through with these Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions. —Anne Delong (talk) 06:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

FindMyPast

Sorry about the inaction, my email is being funny and regarding Wikipedia post as spam. Please can you resend the information to --. Thanks Tom (talk) 23:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@Farrtj: I've contacted you and redacted your e-mail address. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)