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Australia–South Korea football rivalry moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Australia–South Korea football rivalry is well written, but it has one major problem: none of the sources cited actually mention a rivalry. It seems very plausible that such a rivalry exists, as you've documented a compelling narrative, but we need sources that clearly discuss the rivalry to substantiate the importance of these events, otherwise the article is essentially original research. I'm moving the article to draftspace for now, as the article doesn't belong in the mainspace until notability is satisfied. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 09:56, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Rosguill. That's fair enough. Re-submitted with 5 references that specify the rivalry. Cheers. Umarghdunno (talk) 07:30, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

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2018–19 National League playoff

yes I agree listing the players is redundant, only the match details should be listed I fixed let me know if it is Ok. Tomrtn (talk) 01:17, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Tomrtn (talk) - yes I think that's better. Clifton9 (talk) 11:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you Ss112, I was unaware. I appreciate the education. Now I understand why someone else deleted some edits I made on another template but he was far from helpful due to his lack of explanation. Clifton9 (talk) 13:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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Australia soccer team all-time record

Hello, Clifton9. I am FastCube (Alexander), and I have bit of a discussion to make, as I saw you reverted my edit in the page, Australia national soccer team all-time record. The reason I changed the whole article, is that the whole page is referenced to 11v11.com. That site contains inaccurate information in almost half its database. 11v11 is confused on which team played 'A' or 'B' international matches and those are mixed up in 11v11.com.

And obviously, this should only contain 'A' team international information. Examples like OzFootball.net and WorldFootball.net have accurate information. I guess, WorldFootball.net may not be a great site, but it still has the same database in OzFootball.net and that site never lies and it's entire database is correct and accurate. Which means that both those sites are correct and the same as each other.

I also added the split teams (Czechoslovakia and Czech Republic) just in case people DO want to see the data of the old and new teams. And remember, that the all-time record list (Wikipedia page) contains the same as 11v11.com and that site contains 'B' matches and missing information. I will revert your reverted edit on mine, and change this list back the why I did it.

Just as a conclusion, 11v11.com is NOT a good source of football statistics.

FastCube (talk) 16:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)FastCube

@FastCube:, just jumping in here because I saw the edits on the main page and figured easiest to continue the discussion here. The new table looks significantly worse to me than the old version, visually. Including:

• Why is every team name in bold?
• Why is there so much dead space in the table? A table with that many stats being as wide as it is is quite hard to read.

Secondly, the split teams should be included in the table proper as part of the successor teams (potentially with an explanatory footnote), not split and included as a separate table. The whole point of the "successor team" designation is that those teams' statistics are one and the same.

As for the stats, the list should reflect this - see page 73 (plus 2019 games).

For me, I tend to agree with @Clifton9: that reverting was the right approach (subject to the stats being corrected). Macosal (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi FastCube. The link that @Macosal: provided is the accurate information that the FFA uses to determine "A" Internationals as well as caps, etc. I thought this was referenced on the page so it will need to be added but I can assure you the stats were accurate. I have cross checked them and maintained them many times. In relation to the formatting of the table, there was nothing wrong with the table as it was. There is no need to remove some of the information such as the year of the first meeting, the confederation, etc. I find that the win / loss percentages are just un-necessary and bordering on excessive stats. I have looked at a couple of other national team pages and some of them include a win percentage so perhaps that stat is justified. I also think the split teams just need to be left in the table under the successor with the footnotes as they were. Clifton9 (talk) 09:27, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, Clifton9. When I saw the PDF link, this document made me understand everything you said. I can tell that this is correct and accurate information because it is provided by the FFA in one whole page. So, I am taking my mind of OzFootball.net and I am going to use this PDF document for all these un-accurate Australia national soccer team sub-pages as a great reference.

Also, don't worry I won't forget to add the 2019 games, because my brain sometimes freaks out when see something incorrect, until I tell myself it's not up to date. Thanks for your help, Clifton9. FastCube (talk) 19:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)FastCube

Hi FastCube. The Wiki page in question was already up to date with the 2019 games. I will revert your edits back so that it is again accurate. Clifton9 (talk) 11:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Australia–South Korea football rivalry

Hello Clifton9. Honestly, I cannot understand what you said. There are obviously disagreement between two records of Australian and South Korean Association, so I edited that page with the neutral record RSSSF. I don't know why you think it is not reliable sources, but I actually checked the facts in South Korean newspapers of that time. However, you are only accepting records Australian Association, and disregarded another association and informations. That's why I thought your edit summary is a personal opinion. Pinineeon (talk) 13:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Peter Wilson: 60 or 61 captaincies?

In the List of Australia national soccer team captains, it says Peter Wilson had 60 captaincies for Australia which comes from this PDF. But in the Encyclopedia of Socceroos: Every national team player book and the Australia 18' World Cup Media Guide, it says 61 captaincies. I wasn't going to double-check how many captaincies he made, but I think it's 61, because obviously there might be SOME match for his 61st match as captain. --FastCube (talk) 08:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)FastCube.

Hi FastCube. Looks like perhaps the 61st captaincy was identified when research was being done for the book and then updated in those media guides. At least you now have a source with the 2018 WC media guide that you can use to make the changes. Clifton9 (talk) 10:33, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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International football team match results

Hey Clifton;

So I had this feeling, that my edit of changing Australia's results (2020-present) to the table format and it would get reverted. But hear me out, I have always been against the table format and I have been changing most articles to football boxes. But around football discussions, there is major controversy to use either the football boxes or tables.

I changed American Samoa's results to football boxes, and for people like User:Stevie fae Scotland pointed out that it was confirmed that all result lists should be in tables referring to this, this and this as well as this featured list nomination.

FastCube (talk) 12:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi FastCube. Yeah it looks like a topic that doesn't have certainty. The tables don't have as much information in them such as opposition goal scorers, which is an important fact relating to the result. Seems strange that others prefer not to have that detail. The football boxes also present neater than the tables I think. Clifton9 (talk) 03:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I've pointed that out in past discussions. but people think it doesn't need more detailed information, which for me and probably others is just not smart. I think I remember a discussion like this and confirmed to use football boxes for Australia. It's just weird how so many discussions confirm to use the tables, when there's still teams like England, Germany, South Korea, etc. that use football boxes. FastCube (talk) 09:49, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi FastCube. So I guess we're agreeing that we prefer the football boxes. If someone else wants to change it to table format then maybe a discussion to reach consensus is required when the time comes. In the meantime, happy for it to stay the way it is. Clifton9 (talk) 07:44, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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