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Die Heimat
{{resolved}} Hi, I really think we should move the NPD's page to "Die Heimat (German political party)". The party even changed its logo. I'm not yet convinced that we should stick with the old name. The German and Spanish Wiki have changed their corresponding article to reflect this. Thanks 🙂. Aficionado538 (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Aficionado538, the consenesus of the requested move was clearly against moving. Per WP:NAMECHANGES, we should wait until reliable English-language sources pick up on the new name. WP:6MONTHS is for deletion discussions, not move discussions, but I feel it applies here. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Auto Club Speedway close
{{resolved}} Curious as to why you closed it the way you did. There was only one oppose, and it was by the editor's own admission a weak oppose. oknazevad (talk) 03:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Oknazevad, missed that. Vacated and relisted. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 04:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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{{resolved}} Hello, ClydeFranklin,
I see you have been very busy editing on Wikipedia lately, I run into your name on Wikipedia logs all of the time! I just wanted to let you know that an exception to the CSD G7 criteria is if an editor moves an article and leaves a redirect behind. According to policy, only the editor who created the original page that was moved can tag a page for G7 deletion even though the page mover is listed as the first editor on the redirect page. In cases where there is a leftover page from a moving swap, it's better to use G6 "Housekeeping" or uncontroversial deletions. Thank you for all of your contributions to the project. Liz Read! Talk! 01:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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RfD close
{{atop}} Hi, just wondering about this close. It's the correct close – don't get me wrong – but I wonder if you could clarify whether or not there's a consensus against keeping the redirects as is? What I see likely to happen is that the dab page will probably get deleted, and then we'll be back to square one and will not know what to do next. Stating a specific consensus (or lack of it) to keep or delete independent of the dab page would confirm whether another RfD should be initiated upon the deletion of the dab page. J947 † edits 02:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- @J947, looking at all the !votes which mention keeping and deletion, I see no consensus between keeping and deleting. No cons defaults to keep, so do what you will with that info. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 17:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- "Defaults to keep" would apply under ordinary circumstances where the target still exists. Are you implying that "defaults to keep" should be interpreted as "reverts to previous target in the event of deletion"? Hut 8.5 suggested that in the event of deletion, the redirects would also be deleted under speedy deletion criteria. – Scyrme (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Scyrme, yes. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- Speedy deleting the redirects would be a hack to work around a difficult discussion as the RfD has been. I wanted to avoid that, which is why I suggested to speedy delete the dab page instead, and we could have continued with the RfD and reached a decision, or reached no consensus. However, before that could be concluded, Clyde closed the RfD, which I thought was a bit hasty. There are no rules obviously, but waiting 24 hours after the last comment would have given time to those interested, to respond to that last strand of conversation at the RfD, or take speedy action on the dab. Jay 💬 18:17, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- If the AfD ends in Delete then the redirect can be speedily deleted under G8, even though it survived the RfD - see here. Hut 8.5 17:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
These criteria may only be used in such cases when no controversy exists...
The messy RfD likely makes these redirects too controversial to speedily delete under G8. – Scyrme (talk) 22:39, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- "Defaults to keep" would apply under ordinary circumstances where the target still exists. Are you implying that "defaults to keep" should be interpreted as "reverts to previous target in the event of deletion"? Hut 8.5 suggested that in the event of deletion, the redirects would also be deleted under speedy deletion criteria. – Scyrme (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
The target has been nominated for deletion, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mathematics_and_statistics#Mathematics_and_statistics. Perhaps mention this in the Close summary?--agr (talk) 18:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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{{resolved}} Hello, ClydeFranklin,
I think you forgot to draftify Abraham Olatunde David. The XfDcloser won't do it for you. If you want to close deletion discussions, please take care of all of the details.
Also, you acted against the consensus of participants in this closure so I think your NAC closure will be challenged. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 07:00, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Liz, I had to tag the redirect in draftspace with {{db-move}}. I then forgot about it and fell asleep. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:28, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for closing Talk:Unabomber_Manifesto#Requested_move_10_June_2023. Both sides mentioned WP:COMMONNAME, but the ngrams evidence provided supported the move. The opposers didn't provide any evidence at all. Would you reconsider your close? Vpab15 (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Acknowledging receipt of this message. I can't look at it right now (driving to Memphis) but should respond by the end of the day UTC. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 15:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- I was a bit late on that promise, but @Vpab15, I have re-reviewed the discussion and do indeed see a consensus to move. Have reclosed and moved. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 05:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- @ClydeFranklin Thanks a lot for doing that. Vpab15 (talk) 11:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Please revert your closing and recuse yourself. Your summary of the opposition as "status quo stonewalling" is wholly inappropriate for a closure statement. The argument against was extensively outlined in the previous closure discussion. Ngrams is not limited to reliable sources and is not blanket truth. czar 02:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Most recent sources use the proper name of the manifesto, as shown in the discussion. Considering the significant amount of coverage in the last month, the evidence from two years ago is inadequate because it is out of date. There was no evidence provided to support retaining the old name. Vpab15 (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Sigh. Take it to WP:MR. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Please revert your closing and recuse yourself. Your summary of the opposition as "status quo stonewalling" is wholly inappropriate for a closure statement. The argument against was extensively outlined in the previous closure discussion. Ngrams is not limited to reliable sources and is not blanket truth. czar 02:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- @ClydeFranklin Thanks a lot for doing that. Vpab15 (talk) 11:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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MFD closure
Can I ask why exactly you closed Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Don't be attracted to the infobox's bright colors as no consensus? Especially as a non-admin closure? You didn't elaborate at all. I didn't want to be harrying a good-faith contributor by responding to everyone, but IMO, the arguments for keep were quite weak - for example as framing the problem as only being duplicative when the problems went deeper than that as explained in the fairly comprehensive nom. It's also important to note that userfication is a less drastic remedy than deletion, and as such, is something that is more done by simple majority vote. A user-space essay still exists, so it's not the same potential "loss" as a close-run debate where one option results in deletion.
As a side note, in general, MFD is pretty low traffic. We really don't need to be in a hurry to close contentious debates with non-admin closures. If you truly felt that there wasn't consensus yet, you could have relisted. Which is my request as a courtesy, I'd be happy to go into more detail if you think that there isn't already consensus to userfy this essay. SnowFire (talk) 06:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with SnowFire. It was a contentious discussion, and it wasn't necessary for you to close it.—Alalch E. 17:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- @SnowFire: I find the arguements that this essay is for new editors getting adjusted to PaG and that the essential point of this essay is correct pretty strong and swinging this towards no cons. That being said, I think the request to relist is reasonable enough, so I will do that. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, but closers don't evaluate arguments. They evaluate consensus. If you have an opinion, you should have voted rather than closed.
- To go into this a little more. I've checked your contribution history, and it seems that you've made more closes in WP:MFD than you have made actual votes. Now, admins are trusted by the community to basically close anything. But a good general rule for elsewhere is that if you want to close discussions as a non-admin closure, you should also participate in them, because how else would you get a sense of how the community thinks, which kinds of votes / voters are routinely discounted by closers, and so on? (People will happily yell at you if you're "wrong" because Internet.) MFD is pretty low-traffic, it's okay to just wait and let admins close contentious discussions. But the advice goes across Wikipedia - if you want to do contentious Requested Move closures, vote on RMs first for some time. SnowFire (talk) 19:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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{{resolved}} Hello, ClydeFranklin,
You state that you moved this page because of a talk page discussion. But it IS a talk page. Where was the discussion? It's not linked to any Wikipedia or main space page so it's not serving any purpose at all. I'm just curious at who requested this page move or why you moved it. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Wasn't that more like no consensus?
{{resolved}} Hi Clyde, I see you closed "Category:Archaeological cultures by ethnic group" as keep. I find this a bit strange. Marcocapelle and I wanted to Merge all, and then there were two Oppose !votes. That's 50-50. Seems like "no consensus" to me, isn't it? Incidentally, one of the creators of related categories pinged 16 other editors, one of whom also !voted Oppose. Isn't that WP:CANVASSING? If not, then I have misunderstood, but it seems a strange and irregular turn of affairs. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, that was indeed more like no consensus. I missed Marco's support !vote. Will reclose once I get home. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 17:59, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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{{resolved}} Hi editor ClydeFranklin, just wondered about your note you placed at Talk:Operation Gideon (2020)#Requested move 19 July 2023_2 when you relisted. Didn't you mean for that note to go in the section above it? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 07:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hi editor Paine Ellsworth, RMcloser did indeed goof up. Fixed. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 07:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Happens to the best of us sometimes. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 07:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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- @Notrealname1234, you're welcome and thank you! CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 19:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Because late night debugging deserves a barnstar, and hopefully also sleep! Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 07:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Dylnuge, Thank you for the barnstar and for helping me debug the template! Now good night! CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 07:35, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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{{resolved}} NAC is specific about which discussions non-administrators should close. I want to ask you to undo your close on the AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Joe Ada. I do not think the close represents the consensus and an administrator should close it. Lightburst (talk) 14:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Lightburst: Okay, fair enough, but this close was a month ago and it had already been double relisted. What's the typical practice in this case? CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 18:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- In best practie a NAC can be done if it is all keep ivotes. A delete or no consensus is best handled by an administrator. This particular AfD was trending keep and an administrator may have considered 4-2 (and the late keep ivote trend) a keep. Lightburst (talk) 19:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Lightburst: yes, I get that, but what is the best way to undo the close? You can't relist it and it's unlikely an admin is just gonna come across it. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- You just revert your close with the undo button. we can manually put Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Joe Ada in the log and I am sure an admin will be along to comment or close. Lightburst (talk) 23:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Done. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 23:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, we will see if it generates heat or light. Lightburst (talk) 23:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- You just revert your close with the undo button. we can manually put Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Joe Ada in the log and I am sure an admin will be along to comment or close. Lightburst (talk) 23:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Lightburst: yes, I get that, but what is the best way to undo the close? You can't relist it and it's unlikely an admin is just gonna come across it. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 22:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- In best practie a NAC can be done if it is all keep ivotes. A delete or no consensus is best handled by an administrator. This particular AfD was trending keep and an administrator may have considered 4-2 (and the late keep ivote trend) a keep. Lightburst (talk) 19:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
