User talk:Coldstreamer20/sandbox10

Help

I just want help because I forgot how to make these pages into a draft not a full article. I also want help on how to make this a better article and not a 'bad order of battle'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J-Man11 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

It looks like you've managed to move the article on your own. There is some advice at Wikipedia:Writing better articles, and you can submit when ready for feedback. TheDragonFire (talk) 11:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Citations for individual bits of information

G'day J-Man11, what we need is for citations to be added to the separate sections as you go. For example, "Aldershot Command was the command group that had administrative command of the units based in or around Aldershot Garrison. In wartime, the command would for the 1st British Corps." needs a citation or footnote at the end indicating where this information came from. If it came from two or more sources, add that number of citations/footnotes. This needs to happen for the whole article, so that we can verify that the information is in the source. It is insufficient to have three citations at the top of the article. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:14, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

This needs to be addressed before this article will ever get out of draftspace. I suggest adding the citations as you go, rather than having to go back and look at the sources later to provide the citations. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:14, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Level of detail

The inclusion of companies is too much detail for an ORBAT for the whole British Army. I suggest going no lower than battalion level and independent specialist company-sized units like field ambulances. Details of companies is something for the regimental articles, but not this one. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Royal Marines were/are not part of the British Army

The Royal Marines should not be listed in this article, as they are out of scope of the British Army. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:52, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Army Lists

J-Man11 it's commendable that you've gone looking for solid sources, and found the Army List. However it's not fully reliable. Despite the date indicated, July 1914, General Sir Ian Hamilton was not in the Mediterranean, and the Gallipoli adventure had not started. He was still Commander-in-Chief, Home Army - see that or Central Force.

More importantly, the Army List is a WP:PRIMARY source, and we have to be very careful using primary sources alone. As WP editors we can't use them wholesale (Navops47 is another who has gone a little bit off the rails in this manner). You can use the Army List 1914 for details of individual battalion assignments, but make sure that every command, title of a command, and commander-in-chief is checked against another WP:SECONDARY source. Peacemaker67, your thoughts? Buckshot06 (talk) 02:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I entirely agree. Find more recent reliable secondary sources for this information, rather than depend on a dated primary source which contains obvious errors. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:02, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

"GEN. Ar I. B. M. HAMILTON, O.O.B., D.S.O as Inspector-General of the Forces" is what I have.. Are we looking at the same article? J-Man11 (talk) 03:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC) Correction.. Assigned to that. Actually looking at it more, isn't even that, says assigned after July. The war hadn't even started so the "Home Army" wasn't a thing yet!

But you have no source, which means it's useless. Yes, we are looking at the same officer, for the same time period, though I have no skill with the Official Gazette. If you took the trouble to look at Central Force, you would have seen that Inspector-General of the TA became Commander-in-Chief, Home Army. Be more careful!! Buckshot06 (talk) 08:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Dormskirk, can we get the Gazette entries for General Sir Ian Hamilton's posting as Inspector-General (before July 1914), C-in-C Home Army, and C-in-C Mediterranean Expeditionary Force? Does it go that far back? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

OK. Take a look at these entries. It appears that in the Supplement of 27 September 1911 General Hamilton was appointed as Inspector-General of the Oversea Forces, with the status of a General Officer Commanding-in-Chief.[1] On 3 October 1913 Hamilton is listed as Inspector-General of the Oversea Forces and GOC-in-C Mediterranean Command.[2] So there was a Mediterranean Command, and prior to the Gallipoli campaign. It's not clear where that was, or what it consisted of. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC) Addendum: full service record here - he came home briefly in 1914-15 and then went out to the Mediterranean again. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:41, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Glad you got the entries. The London Gazette actually goes back to 1660. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Done?

I have a feeling this is done, just need to add some pictures maybe? J-Man11 (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)