Confused monk

Bonobo

Merriam-Webster and the OED are "non-public source"s? It's difficult to tell if you're being serious. Regardless, being a "public source" is not a requirement for references. kwami (talk) 23:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

You're accusing me of being a liar because you can't find a word in a dictionary? Why don't you go to your local library and ask them to help you? kwami (talk) 18:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I accuse you of lying, because you added your invented symbol. Dictionary says oʊ or ə.--Confused monk (talk) 18:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I could say the same, because you falsely accused me, but I'm not calling you a liar. "Dictionary says oʊ or ə"—exactly. That's what we're transcribing [ɵ]. Some phonological descriptions use [ŏ], which we could certainly use if people agreed to it. It doesn't really matter which symbol we use; what's important is that the key explains the symbols that are used in the articles. kwami (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

You'll note that there are several other people on the talk page, some of whom are good linguists, and all appear to be ignoring your objections. They might be able to convince me I'm wrong, but you calling me a liar will not. kwami (talk) 19:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Not that it really matters, but I found someone who "made up" this symbol before I did: Bolinger 1989. I was going on 2ary sources which transcribed B's distinction with <ŏ>, but just looked up B himself, and he uses <ɵ>. He contrasts (p 360) a mission with [ə], emission with [ɨ], and omission with [ɵ]. Omission is another case where the OED has [oʊ] and Webster's gives [oʊ] and [ə] as alternates, just as they do for bónobo. QED. kwami (talk) 21:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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