Conner5553

Hello Conner5553, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! —Moondyne 04:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC) PS. any relation to Dennis? —Moondyne 04:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC) Getting started Introduction The five pillars of Wikipedia How to edit a page Finding your way around Table of contents Department directory Editing articles How to develop an article Manual of Style Getting help Frequently asked questions Cheatsheet Where to ask a question Help pages New contributors' help page How you can help Contributing to Wikipedia Community Portal Follow Wikipedia etiquette Practice civility

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Talk:America's Cup

Hi again, by convention, we normally post new talk sections at the bottom of the page rather than the top. Following the convention will ensure people see your posting. —Moondyne 06:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

NZL-92

I think you are going to make great contributions here, but, this needs some rewording as we are not a crystal ball and cannot speculate - refer WP:CRYSTAL for our policies on this. Articles must be written in a neutral, encyclopaedic tone. —Moondyne 06:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Communication

Posting as you did is fine. I'll look at the succession box now. —Moondyne 07:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Done for NZL 32. Let me know if that's not OK. —Moondyne 07:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, here's a tip: If you want, you can use the "move" button at the top to move the article to NZL-32 (with hyphen). The additional effect of this is to automatically create a "redirect" page at NZL 32 so that the reader can the use either of the article names and still end up at the article. —Moondyne 07:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Referencing

You can't do this [1]. Its been reverted already (by someone else) and any such edits will always be removed. As I said above, everything at Wikipedia must be neutral (see WP:NPOV). Also, everything must be verifiable and be attributable to a published refence (see WP:ATT). I strongly suggest reading those two policies before editing much more. —Moondyne 07:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

As Moondyne said, welcome it's good to have you here. I did revert your edit at Australia II and I've added 'citation needed' at 12-metre class. See WP:VERIFY. The readers of the encyclopaedia need to be able to check where the information has come from - so any new additions really have to come from reliable sources - Ctbolt 08:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Images and licensing

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I feel that you may be getting sick of me by now telling you all the things you can't do at Wikipedia. Don't worry though, the main thing is that you stay civil and listen to advice that's given in good faith. And keep editing. Let me know if you need any more info. —Moondyne 08:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

3RR Warning

Conner. Although I'm sure you feel strongly that Alinghi is not a "notable" yacht, most of the editors on the IACC Yacht page disagree with you. You are running the risk of violating Wikipedia's 3RR rule, which could result in your suspension. Please reconsider everyone elses' opinions before acting again. Thank you. Madmaxmarchhare 13:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Lodging a Complaint

Conner: I apologize that I'm not sure where the best place is for you to lodge a complaint. It appears that you have been working with Moondyne, who might be an administrator. He/She might know of the appropriate forum.

If I could offer some advice: you appear to be somewhat new here. You may want to consider your point of view--just because you've justified something in your mind doesn't make it reality. On Wikipedia, editors, in good faith, try to strive for consensus when they edit. Part of the problem is how one quibbles with terms. "Notable" to you might take into considerations many factors that another editor might not take into account. Again, just because you can justify something in your mind doesn't make it reality--we all have a tendency to justify our realities based on our own perceptions, but this is a good forum for you to practice consensus, compromise, and understanding. Just my $.02. Madmaxmarchhare 22:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Well said Madmaxmarchhare. Wikipedia works on a consensus model. "Therefore not awarded status, status denied" is not consensus building language. Nor is calling people who revert your changes "vandals" [2]. If you have an opinion about something in opposition to the article or the majority view of other editors, raise the issue in a polite and courteous way on the talk page of the article and invite discussion after presenting your point of view. If you are still in the minority then you should consider looking at the issue from the other editors' points of view rather than just your own. If you feel strongly that you are not being heard you can always post the issue at Wikipedia:Requests for comment or Wikipedia:Third opinion, but frankly, this is a storm in a teacup and should be able to be resolved by discussion. Wikipedia:Consensus explains how consensus building and dispute resolution works. Reversion wars are not clever and only make you look silly. Reverting more than 3 times in 24 hours earns you an automatic block. —Moondyne 00:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

A positive way to handle this might be to create a "Winning yachts" section and populate it with some more winning yachts to flesh it out. Then, you can create an "Other notable yachts" list that details some of the yachts you consider "notable" but haven't won the race. That way, you'll have a more specific set of lists that might satisfy your need to distinguish between winning and notable yachts. Also, it helps flesh the page out. Really, a win-win for everyone here, you and the "vandals" included ;-). Madmaxmarchhare 16:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar

Cheers. —Moondyne 03:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)