Cos02125

Why are you reverting others' edits on Julian Metcalfe and Pret a Manger?

Hi Cos02125 - I need to understand why you're making these reversions on these articles and by others. You're a brand new user, and you're suddenly making reverts by these editors, which tells me t hat you've run into them before... and that you're not new here. What's going on here? Can you please explain? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:36, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I have been asked to stop the vandalism on the pret page. A quick google shows very clearly who the founders of Pret are. However, for some reason the google spider draws its info from the Pret wikipedia page, so when you google "Who founded pret a manger" google says "Jeffrey Hyman". But the rest of the internet says Julian Metcalfe and Sinclair Beecham. Hundreds of serious news sources with teams of editors and researchers have published articles about Metcalfe and Beecham as founders. This Hyman story is just vandalism and i have been asked by those at Pret to correct the wikipedia page when necessary.Cos02125 (talk) 23:49, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Re Pret a Manger

@Cos02125:, you need to step away from editing this article for a while. We can talk about this and let's figure out the best way forward.

Since you said "i have been asked by those at Pret to correct the wikipedia page", you have a conflict of interest. Do not edit the page anymore. Instead, make suggestions at the talk page.

I will meet you over the talk page. Herostratus (talk) 00:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

A continued, clear conflict of interest on Pret a Manger

Hello, Cos02125. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Railfan23 (talk) 07:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

• Hyman as founder is sourced to his obituary in The Grocer.[1] Do you disagree? Why? What sourcing do you have to contradict this?

If you continue to edit-war, you will simply end up blocked, and the article protected. Your only option to "right the great wrong" here is to explain why it needs changing. So far that's not visible. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Andy dingley: Please see reply in the pret a manger talk page. yes the grocer does list hyman as the founder. its the only news article on the internet which does. 100's have listed metcalfe and beecham (including the telegraph, the times, the NY times, the daily mail, the guardian, vogue, the evening standard, and many many more, including, by the way, THE GROCER). Also, if you read the article it is almost word for word what first appeared in the history section of the pret a manger wikipedia page. Which was written by a user who admitted to being jeffery hyman on the talk page. How can you not see that this is all an attempt by Hyman and those personally connected to him, to claim some sort of owner ship over a company which bought the name from his cafe which had closed down.

February 2019

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Pret a Manger; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.
This is not how to work. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:11, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

i am so confused! why are the other not seen as "edit warring"? there was a consenus made to omit the founder section. Someone keeps breaking that consesus. I am just trying to uphold the decision made by the wikipedia admin.

@Andy Dingley: I have tried repeatly to use the talk page. But the same user keeps editing the page. If they would like to engage in discussion on the talk page i would welcome it.

False accusations

I have no connection to Hyman, Pret a Manger or any related individual or company. You do, and you are not allowed to continue to edit the Pret a Manger article. Your claim the The Grocer article is the only one naming Hyman as founder of Pret a Manger is simply untrue. Railfan23 (talk) 14:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Cos02125 - please note that you don't put comments about editing on someone's User Page - their Talk page is for that purpose. RGCorris (talk) 18:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

RGCorris Sorry my mistake. i was trying to use my iphone. 21:30, 12 February 2019‎ Cos02125

[User:Railfan23|Railfan23]] please try not to be facetious. What i am trying to say is that there is a wealth of information (500+) citing metcalfe and beecham as founders. There are probably no more then 3 articles that state Hhyman is the founder. One is his obituary, the other is an article on the website of a company he founded, and the the other is a metro article written about the pret advertising story in 2018 taken almost word for word form the pret wikipedia page. I dont understand how two users who have edited so many good articles can reach such a strange and nonsensical conclusion. If the grocer published an article tomorrow saying jeff bezos bought the name amazon from me would you police the page and relentlessly battle to list me as founder? 21:30, 12 February 2019‎ Cos02125

• It doesn't sit well to continually abuse other editors, or to describe them as 'facetious'. It is clearly untrue that " There are probably no more then 3 articles that state Hhyman is the founder. " when there are already five listed on the article's talk: page. Yes, you might not have known that before but by now we would expect you to have read that talk: page. Quite obviously you did, as you're quoting it! So why continue the pretence? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Cos02125 I am not being in the slightest bit facetious. I'm glad you've finally acknowledged that your claim that there was only one source supporting Hyman as founder is incorrect. You have admitted above that you have an agenda in your editing. I have no such agenda. It is simply factually accurate that Hyman founded Pret a Manger, and your campaign to whitewash this fact from Wikipedia is clear vandalism. That you are doing so under the instruction of the company involved is an outrageous conflict of interest and clearly not allowed under Wikipedia policy. Metcalfe and Beecham puchased more than just the name from Hyman, and to claim otherwise is to fly in the face of well-sourced evidence. The integrity of Wikipedia matters. The maintenance of verifiable facts in articles matters. That's why I oppose you whitewashing the article under the instruction of Pret a Manger. Railfan23 (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)