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Hi Craig, thanks for understanding. I appreciate that guidelines and expectations can be a little opaque for newcomers! In response to some of your particular comments:

• If you have email permission for the images with a specific release under a Creative Commons license, that's fantastic- please follow the instructions here so that Wikimedia has evidence of the release.
• You said "For several statements, I was closely reflecting what was said in the reference. So for example, "He places pieces within sight...[38]," "He acts quickly...[39]," "He reacts to the virtues of each piece..., " followed by the quote [37], etc. Should I reflect these statements more, like "He has stated that...," "It has been noted that he...," or such?" Yes, the suggestion sounds reasonable. Basically, we should not be stating contentious judgements in Wikipedia's "neutral" voice, but rather report that others have made such judgements or claims. "Art critic John Smith has argued..."; "Sartorious describes his own style as..."- that sort of thing. Be aware of weasel words, though. It can be tricky to get right, and I don't pretend to be a perfect writer myself!
• With regards to the contents list, I was referring to your use of {{TOC left}}. This is non-standard, and I would avoid it unless there's some overriding reason I've missed.
• I appreciate the desire to find good model articles and others working in the area. I confess I'm something of a philistine when it comes to contemporary visual art, but we do have a good visual arts WikiProject. I've not worked closely with any of them, but I know that Iridescent (talk · contribs), Ceoil (talk · contribs), Modernist (talk · contribs) and Victoriaearle (talk · contribs) have written some very high quality articles on paintings/painters, and so may have some interest in sculpture; at the very least, they may be able to help you find others who do. We have some biographies at Wikipedia:Featured articles#Art, architecture, and archaeology biographies- as I'm sure you know, featured articles have been recognised as some of Wikipedia's finest. Some more-or-less contemporary artists in that list include Danie Mellor (a sculptor!), Daisy Jugadai Napaltjarri, Wintjiya Napaltjarri, Makinti Napanangka, Bronwyn Oliver (also a sculptor), Minnie Pwerle, Constance Stokes, Bronwyn Bancroft and Jean Bellette. All/most of these articles are by Hamiltonstone (talk · contribs); though this user's interests seem to differ a little from yours, they may be a very good person to talk to.
• I think you're right that exhibition lists have a place in the article; I just think care needs to be taken not to make them look to spammy/CV-like. Editors more familiar with the expectations of fine art articles may be able to advise you better in this regard.

I hope this is helpful- again, I applaud you for taking on this topic, and editors with niche interests/expertise are always welcome on Wikipedia- you just need a little practice on formatting things in accordance with Wikipedia's expectations. Please do contact me if I can be of any help. Josh Milburn (talk) 09:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I echo what J Milburn says. This is an interesting article on a topic that generally doesn't get a lot of coverage from the press, and I'd love to see it as TFA to coincide with next year's Spoonfest. However, the current tone of the article is quite chatty, and gives a slight impression of advertorial. Relatively niche artists are always tricky to write about, because they don't tend to get bad press; people either admire their work and write positively about them, or dislike their work and ignore them. Since Wikipedia's job is to reflect sources, it can sometimes be quite hard to stick to the "then he did this", "then he did that" style demanded by WP:NPOV without getting boring.

Has any woodworking or collectors magazine given him bad reviews? If so, what were their criticisms of him? (When it comes to artists, what people dislike about their work is generally at least as important as what people admire.) Has anyone ever written on how his methods and his creations differ from those of other woodworkers; the Artistic approach and influences section as it stands could describe virtually any woodcarver? There's been something of a renaissance in hand-carved spoons in the last decade; do the current crop of celebrity spoon-makers such as Barn Carder (redlink? really?) see Sartorius as a pioneer and mentor, or as an outdated survivor of an earlier movement?

On exhibition lists, I agree they can be useful as a way of demonstrating that someone has attracted interest from a broad range of institutions, but if presented in list form can look rather promotional. It would probably be more sensible to have a sentence like "His work has been exhibited at over 50 major craft shows and exhibitions across the United States, including shows at the Smithsonian and the Philadelphia Museum of Art", in place of the lists; very few people are really going to care about the specific institutions or the names of the exhibitions. – iridescent 14:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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