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i read your Y&R opinions i agree! I wish Patty had more to do with the whole Y&R situation! They ruined Nikki. Lily is so boring! But i love Cane. He is so endearing and dreamy for me lol. About fav characters ...i don't like Nikki. She is the show's biggest hypocrite ever! She started out a stripper and hooker and gold-digger and then she insults everyone. As for Jill, i love her! I think she is good. I don't think Angelina is pregnant. I think she arranged it with her father so that she could be with Kevin (which will never happen). IM LOVIN' her character! She is so funny and i watched her on Al so i like her. SHe is such a jersey girl lol. Yes i don't care about the character of Jeffery and they shouldn't have brought him back. He is so boring to watch. LOL what do you think of Sharon?! SoapJar 22:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey there. I can't believe Victor and Sharon actually got married. And it's so creepy that Adam came into her bedroom!! I hate Adam as you may know. CREEPY!! What do you think about the whole Chelsea and Billy baby ordeal?? I have a feeling Billy and Victoria's plan to get full custody is going to backfire :( Get back to me !! Creativity97 Talk? 22:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

YES! And i nearly threw up when Sharon and Victor kissed. But i don't mind - and i know!!! OMGG Adam is such a creep! Urgh. I love Chelsea i bet after the baby is born, she and Billy will eventually get together. Poor Vicki. SoapJar 22:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah they will somehow get Chelsea in there for a while ... whether if she goes with Billy or something, she'll still be around. And yes, poor Vicki! She has gone through so much (J.T. leaving with Mackenzie and Reed) and if that happens who knows what she'll do. The 2007 page looks great, keep it up!! :) But what happened to Karen Taylor's picture?? I remember seeing one on her original page. Other than that, great job!! Creativity97 Talk? 22:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh and no I don't have any information on "Hunter." I remember that she was Noah's random friend who just seemed to be there to make Eden jealous. Anyhow, I have no info on her, sorry :( Creativity97 Talk? 22:51, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I want your opinion

Hey!! I just want your opinion for something. You remember this page i created? - List of The Young and the Restless characters (2011) ? Well i added a section of "Other Appearances". It is just listing smaller characters that appeared. I want Wikipedia to have..hm..how do i put it.. a complete guide to the series and make it complete and i thought of doing that. What do you think? Also i really want your opinion on the new page im working on, for 2007 characters. [1] here it is! Tell me what you think :) SoapJar 22:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

ALso, do you have any information on the character "Hunter" that was on the show (Y&R) a few months ago? SoapJar 22:40, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey!!

Hey, how are you doing? Haven't spoken in a few days and wanted to check in on you! _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 19:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Aha, I check all pages!! Aha. I've been helping here-and-there. Today has been a low-key, kind of relaxing required day. Working on some personal projects currently. But the pages Arre is working on look great! And as for Y&R, I like it because Adam is scum. After what he did to Ashley/Sharon, I'd love to see him do some time. And Sharon going to him shows how dumb of a character she truly is. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 22:49, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I soooo agree with you! Phyllis and Adam are my least favorite characters. I'd like to see Adam be killed in a car crash or something! Stupid scumbag doesn't deserve to be in Genoa City! haha. And yes Sharon is stupid to go back to him. She has seen what he's done and she still secretly wants to be with him. And Nicktor are going to reunite!! I'm so happy. I hate Victor and wish he would've been sent to prison in like the Cayman Islands or something. Jeez be gone with Victor!! But obviously that's never going to happen as long as Nikki is around. A key aspect of Y&R has been Nicktor for like over 20 years, so why change now. Anyway, great chatting! PS - I read somewhere that Patty will be revealed to the world causing major pain for Jack, did you hear that? Let me know. Creativity97 Talk? 23:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I like Adam, just not the things he's done. If he hadn't done what he did to Sharon/Ashley, I think I could fully support him. But I cannot. As for Phyllis, they've totally changed her, and that's MAB and her horrific doing. "Niktor" keep Y&R alive. Nikki being gone really didn't help the show, as you could tell but the horrific use of Diane Jenkins. And no, I have not heard such concerning Pattycake! I don't want her revealed, as I love Patty. ahaha. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 23:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for barging in on this haha :) hope u don't mind. Thanks MF for the compliment i don't get many and im working really hard and it means alot :D About Sharon... I observe and examine her very carefully. I think everyone needs to forget the baby snatching it was 3 years ago. Its like MAB making Sharon and NIck mention Cassie's death every 3 seconds in 2009 - it gets old. Adam didn't know Sharon then, and he didn't even know love then. But Sharon showed him what love is, and i see the connection there; His mother died so he turned into a monster and still acts like it but he always loves Sharon. However she belongs with Nick. I also heard Victor and Sharon are divorcing - aha. That was the SHORTEST Marriage ever! Even shorter then Diane & Victor's haha on January 26th. Thats only like 10 days married baha. OMG i heard Patty is pretending to be Emily and will visit Jack! :O thats going to be interesting. If NIKTOR didn't get together nobody would fear. Because its obvious two months later, if they weren't already together, they would be sleeping together. They are bound. They are magnets. Phyllis sucks. I used to like her, since 2005 they trashed her character. I loved her in that storyline with Diane and Jack back in the day; however in Diane's latest attempt against PhyHO i was ROOTING for DIANE! I hate PhyHO/Garbage Humper/syPhyllis as we call her on YouTube. Also MF i agree. I feel Diane should STILL be here and NIkki too. Its stupid. MAB and her hack writers need to die in a lake! Also do you guys like Angelina? I love her. I met the actress once. She was so nice. Sorry for the long comment haha just saw opinions and had to throw mine in! Lmfao. SoapJar 01:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Also guys, i heard Jack & Genevieve's wedding comes to a "tragic" end. What do you guys think it is? I hope Genevieve doesn't die. She is a new favorite of mine and MAB Doesn't know a good thing when she has it. SoapJar 01:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

First-off, Gen doesn't die. Genie Francis signed a multi-year contract in October, she's not going anywhere.

Also, Sharon and no one should forget about the Faith incident. I never could. I could never support "Shadam" because of it. "Chadam" needs to happen and Sharon needs to stay single/married to Victor. MAB and the writers have ruined the character of Sharon so much. She's too needy and too much of a slut now. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 02:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

THANK GOD Gen doesn't die. Sharon is just too kind of a character to forget about the accident. I am a semi-supporter of Shadam. Chadam has no chemistry and i don't care about them lol. Sharon shouldn't stay single. She belongs with Nick. I would rather see her with kleptomania and battling with PhyHO over Nick then be single. She is way too good a character to waste in that department. Slut? Well if Sharon is a slut then so are long time characters like Nikki, Ashley, Jill. They have had probably 25+ lovers each lol. I wouldn't call her a slut. Like i said, i examine the character very closely and love her to pieces. And Sharon Case's acting is great. Sharon grew up without a father - and had to look after her mother. So its natural as an adult she is needy and always wants that "protection" blanket. That's what the actress said. Also contracts really never make me sure about a subject. Victor, the most important character from many's eyes, left the show in 2009 a year and a few months before his contract would expire. Ever since that, Im not sure about anything. SoapJar 02:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

"Chadam" would have amazing chemistry, I see it every time they have scenes together. And Sharon needs to be single, she's addicted to her men; Nick, Jack, Brad, Adam, Victor. She loves her men, aha. And I never denied that Nikki nor Jill were sluts. But we cannot deny that since she and Nick divorced, she's been all over the place with men. It's how it just happens. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 03:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

adviceee

Hey. I would like some random advice. I know your busy but i hope you can reply. I decided to make a Soap Opera Online and set the bar to atleast 20 readers per episode. But i'm stuck on a name. Here are some titles, could you tell me if you think any are good? They all relate to themes for the series. Sorry there aren't many others other then you, MF that i can ask opinions from. Here they are:

• Where Have You Been?
• Turning Pages
• Chasing Dreams
• Power, Passion, Dreams (inspired by this old Australian Soap name)
• Rags and Riches
• Glory Days

Please let me know. I've been doing this for a week :D SoapJar 03:27, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. Oh don't worry about the soap thingy, i just wanted your opinion on a name thats all. Chadam is Chelsea and Adam according to MF. Also, i am taking a break from wikipedia see you sometime. SoapJar 04:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh hi. No i just meant a break for a day aha :) SoapJar 12:34, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

heeeeey

Hey i want advice. I added stuff to Drucilla Winter's page, what do you think? I also added more content to the Sharon Newman page (just extra information about her relationship with Nick etc) if you can check it out and tell me what you think, that'd be good :) SoapJar 00:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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ARRHHH

OMG!!!! did you see the 30th episode yet? ( on youtube, its there ) holy flying moly! LOL :) FINALLY SOME ACTION FOR Y&R!!! SoapJar 16:29, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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Per a new consensus on the Wiki Soap Project, the new colour for ALL infoboxes for US soaps is now cccfff, and we will slowly transfer all pages into the new colour. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 00:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

We reached a consensus so that ALL soap articles share the same colour. And don't change anything right now. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 03:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for letting me know so fast :) And could you let me know when/if I should start helping?? Thank you!! Creativity97 Talk? 03:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I will, once I found out if the template has been altered._{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 17:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hey i saw the pages they are fine :) What u thinking of Y&R at the moment?> Arrekea 06:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :) And about Y&R: First off, Kevin through all of his chances to ever be with Chloe away; he was about to get her back but he's scared of Angelo so he decided to continue to lie because he actually thinks Angelo will do something. And Genevieve is pissing me off!! Her own crappy mistakes are at fault for why everyone hates her. And she followed them to France! Desperate much if you ask me. And Victor obviously brought Anita to Genoa City to cause yet even more problems for Billy and Victoria. I hate Victor with all my heart, but Y&R would never be the same without him, same thing with Adam and Phyllis (which I kinda think would make a good couple). Sharon is doing the right thing by helping Adam in a time of need, but if she falls for him again she's stupid. They are such a bad couple it pisses me off so much! But I'm happy that Cane and Lily got remarried; it is best for both of them (but I kinda have a feeling that will end in divorce again). Any way, what are your thoughts? I'd love to know. Get back to me !! Creativity97 23:23, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Yea...Kevin is a bit annoying. Lol i love Angelina she is so funny!!! Chloe is irritating ehe. She is annoying and nagging. OMG nooo.LOL. I love Genevieve. The Abbott sisters as such bitches to her, they are hypocrits... they act like Genevieve cheated or something. They take "business" so seriously. And by the looks of it Nikki and Jack are getting together eventually. I love Victor lol. I also think there is no "need" for Sharon to fall for Adam. They never really fell out of love. Ofcourse it will end in divorce, all marriages in Soap World end in divorce, unless one of them dies.:) aha Arrekea 05:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah the Abbott sisters were bitchy to Genevieve just over Beauty-of-Nature. Jack and Nikki together? Yay! They would be a good couple. I read that they were married in the early 90s. Do you know how that ended? All I know is that "they remained good friends despite their hostile divorce." Yes Angelina is funny :) Yeah but I think Adam and Sharon get back together. Is he gonna be blind forever you think? What about Jack? Do you think he'll walk again? And OMG do you really believe that Jeffrey lost his memory? I'm skeptic. I think he's doing to get Gloria to fall in love with him all over again. Anyway get back to me on your thoughts!! Creativity97 23:44, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

To be honest.. i really don't watch Jeffrey/Gloria's scenes lol..i don't know their storyline. Its so stupid about the Abbott sisters..tracy is meant to be NICE. They were indeed married, Nikki was known as Mrs. Abbott that's what Sharon called her when she and Nick were dating as Teens, lol :). Victor was married to Ashley around that time. And no, Jack will ofcourse walk again..he is a central character of the series they always have him doing love scenes, etc., which includes action. In a couple of months (if not a few weeks) He'll be as good as new. :) Im not sure about Adam, though. Arrekea 07:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah the Jeffrey/Gloria storyline seems to have a colorful past from what I've read :) But I find that Gloria's character is kinda boring, the only thing I really like is her feud with Jill. Adam's mother Hope died right? If I remember correctly she died of pancreatic cancer; at least that's what I read lol. As you know I started watching Y&R in June 2010. I thought it was so entertaining but I didn't have the time for it, I would watch on-again off-again. I stopped that July, and I watched briefly for a few weeks in February 2011. I remember the first scene I ever saw with Lily was the church scene where Jill and Colin were getting married and Caleb was shot and everyone thought it was Cane and the twins' carriage fell down the stairs. But I've read so much on Wiki it feels like I've been watching Y&R forever. But also as you know I've been watching consistently since June 2011 when I found myself with more time; and even now I make time for it haha. I loved Diane :) She was my favorite for the last few months of her life hands down. She was so feisty and I hated how she was murdered and they waiting flipping six months to reveal the real killer!! I mean c'mon! That's ridiculous. I remember reading a spoiler around Christmastime saying that Diane's killer was gonna be revealed on the last episode before Christmas. I now know not to trust everything I read lol.

But I now kinda feel bad for Genevieve, when she called Jack from Paris and he was being a bitch to her. And she just cried and cried. Poor Gen. But I would seriously like to see her with Victor (because we all know that Victor and Nikki never stay together long). And even though that would create even more animosity from the Abbott family; Gen would be on top of the world with Victor. Cane is being an asshole to her; not inviting your own mother to your wedding despite your stupid differences. And if this entire Kevin and Angelina marriage continues on as a scam like Nikki and Deacon's then it gonna be soooo annoying. Just tell Angelo the truth goddamnit!! Anyway get back to me with your thoughts!! :) Creativity97 23:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey C97!

Hey! How have you been?? We haven't really talked in a while, so thought I'd come and check up on ya! Enjoying the soaps recently?
(Reply here, let's try and keep conversations to one talk page. I'll continually check for responses). _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 19:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey MF!! OMG I'm loving Y&R right now. If you read any of my comments to Arre above you will know. Kevin has blown all of his chances to ever be with Chloe; he's scared of Angelo, who really pisses me off. Do you think that Jeffrey really lost his memory? I'm skeptic. I think he did to get Gloria to fall in love with him all over again. How long have you been watching Y&R? Just curious :) What do you think is gonna happen to Patty? I really love her. She is so crazy and so out of it. Do you really think that she doesn't remember shooting Jack or blinding Adam? I have to say the suspense of her sneaking around was better than her being locked up in a facility again. When she was dragged away from Paul I almost cried! I also feel bad for Genevieve now :( Before I used to think that she brought all of this on herself (which she still kinda did) but Cane not inviting his own mother to his wedding? C'mon! That's just plain mean and hurtful, no matter what has happened. Also, I fixed up some of the Y&R pages to the new color. Mostly past characters like Mackenzie, J.T. and Brock. Anyway get back to me with your thoughts!! Creativity97 23:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

If I were Kevin, I'm be scared of Angelo, too. Especially if he were threatening someone I love. I mean, look at what he did to Jeffrey, etc. you don't wanna mess with anyone, especially the mob. But the whole Angelo/Angelina storyline is completely stupid if you ask me. I never liked Jeffrey/Gloria together, either. They annoyed me. And I've been watching Y&R now for about, I would say, 15-16 years. I think Patty/Emily (Stacy Haiduk) are gone. I don't see them coming back. Unless it's for a trial that both Adam and Jack file against her. And I feel bad for Gen, too. I mean, it's not like she was the one who put Jack into a wheelchair, it was Patty. And I don't feel bad for her about Cane, I would feel the same as Cane. I get that. Gen I only feel bad for because of Jack. And most character profiles we just have to remove the "Color" and "Color Text" from the template and it changes. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 00:54, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Aw, Patty is gone? I thought that her storyline was just on hold. Emily should be gone, there's no point in having her in Genoa City, she's not gonna get back together with Jack so bye-bye. But isn't Patty going to have to face Jack or Adam at one point? I don't want her gone I like insane Patty :) Yeah Angelo is kinda scary but seriously Angelina should tell him the truth he won't hurt her. Yeah the Angelo/Angelina storyline is kinda pointless and random, but Angelina is funny :) Yeah I guess Cane is being a little sensible. I just felt bad as Gen watched as Lily and Cane got married. Do you think that Jill is gonna have a fit of rage on her when everyone gets back to GC? Get back to me with your thoughts!! Creativity97 22:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't seem them continuing the Patty storyline right now, unless it's delayed. I mean, how many times can this woman break out of mental institutions? At this point, you'd think they'd hold her. I cannot stand Angelina, mostly because I cannot stand Diana DeGarmo. I didn't feel bad watching her watch the wedding from a distance. I am still waiting for a Geneieve vs. Jill showdown, though, now I want a Nikki vs. Gen showdown, because I see a Nikki/Jack reunion happening and a Victor/Gen marriage. PS: No need to leave a talkback, I stalk Talk Pages like crazy, ahaha. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 23:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I can totally see Gen and Victor getting together. We all know Nikki and Victor never stay together long. Have Jack and Nikki reunited at any point between now and 1994? Cuz I know that's when they got divorced. I can also totally see Gen and Nikki becoming arch-rivals too. When Gen first showed up in GC and for months afterward I thought that she was a sneaky devious bitch who was trying to accomplish something by flirting with Jack casually at Gloworm. But when they actually built a relationship and got engaged, I thought that Gen's character had changed drastically and that she was gonna be actually normal. But now that her engagement to Jack has blown up in her face because she made a "business bid" for B-O-N, I feel that she is turning into the same person she was last June; a sneaky devious bitch. Quite frankly I wouldn't be too upset now if she left town. I was sad at first cuz I thought she was leaving town on her supposed wedding night, but even then I was still thinking she was nice Gen. Now I kinda want her gone. I feel bad for her when she tries to apologize for all she's done, but if you're gonna play nasty now then get out of town. And yeah you're right, there's not really anymore they can do with the Patty storyline. You kinda had to think that she would eventually get caught and then just shipped back to the facility. But I still do like her character and I would kinda at least like to see either Jack or Adam confront her first before she leaves for good. Anyhow get back to me! Creativity97 02:59, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

As much as I love Nikki/Victor, I am beyond over them now. I love the instant chemistry Nikki/Jack have. And no, they never reunited. They got divorced because Victor promised to give Jack Jabot if he divorced her, so he did. I know they had one child together, which died. I loved sneaky Genevieve. When she came to town, she was strong and confident. I loved it. Now they're turning her into a tougher Laura, and I know that's not what Genie wants at all. I hope she doesn't leave because I don't want to see her back on GH at all. Having them confront her would cause her to go nuts. They need to lay the Patty storyline down for rest. I miss the good old days, though. MAB should be shot and fired. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 18:05, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know what the good old days were like, but I'm sure they were better than with MAB. Yeah now I think they should lay the Patty storyline down for some rest. From what I've read it must've been so suspenseful when she returned in 2009 after 25 years, but now that she has broken out of some mental facilities and caused a lot of things (Colleen's death, Jack and Adam's disabilities) it's time to say goodbye to her for awhile, maybe a year at the least. But do we know if she's gone now? Or could she still come back? And about Jack/Nikki if they've never reunited then what makes everyone so sure they will now? It's been 18 years and from what I've seen they just remained good friends. Sharon and Jack seem like an awful couple, were they? I hated Jack and Phyllis too. I watched them reunite back in 2010. What made them break up again? Was it Diane? Cuz I think they were together until early 2011 weren't they? Anyway I sense I'm asking a lot of questions, but just one last one: who was best as Diane? Arre said it was Maura West, but how were Alex Donnelley and Susan Walters? I've seen Susan on some primetime shows and she looks like she would fit the role of Diane. Also do you watch any primetime shows? I watch Two and a Half Men, Glee, Body of Proof, American Idol, The Middle, Modern Family, The Big Bang Theory, Desperate Housewives and occasionally Grey's Anatomy. I'm catching up with the DVDs of that one. Anyway get back to me! :) Creativity97 23:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The good 'ol days were actually worth watching. Now, it's pure trash. I think we need to say goodbye permanently to Patty. I love her, but the story is old. And even the actors say they see a reunion between Jack/Nikki happening. Just because it's been 18+ years doesn't mean it can't happen, it's soap operas. People come back after 25 years of death. Jack/Phyllis unfortunately broke up when Diane returned to town the final time. Maura West by far is/was the BEST Diane Jenkins. Alex Donnelley was bad, and Susan was okay. Maura can do no wrong, she handled that role with grace and her firing with even more grace. The only primetime show in that list that I watch is Body Of Proof. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 01:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, anything can happen with soaps :) Patty returned after 25 years, I'm guessing out of the blue? Body of Proof is good isn't it? I've been watching since the very first episode last March. I'm kinda a TV freak as you can see from all the shows I watch :) I actually used to watch a lot more than that, but I made cuts, haha. But now I'm starting to think that maybe Victor is going to make a move on Gen just for B-O-N. That's wrong, but it's Victor. Do you think he's just sucking up to her and being extra nice so that she will work with him for B-O-N? I think so. Nikki is definitely gonna be pissed at him when he gets home, maybe that will push her to the breaking point and she will end up with Jack eventually. I always knew that Victor had something to do with Chelsea and then Anita coming to town. Has he always had this obsession to break apart Victoria's relationships with Billy? I knew he was psyched when he thought he got rid of Billy for good in November but then Victoria found him at that Irish pub. I was so happy that day. What do you think is gonna happen with Adam and Sharon? I know that they sleep together in the Feb. 21 episode, probably just because Sharon feels bad for him. Do you think that Phyllis will go to see her dying father? I think she should, but I really don't know what happened between them, do you? Anyway get back to me and let me know!! :) Creativity97 01:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Patty returned at the request of Victor. He brought her to town as Mary Jane Benson, a high-powered corporate official and she was sane. Then he got involved with Jack and was insane again. I've been watching Body Of Proof since then, too!! I watch too much television. And I think Victor is going on Gen for BoN, too. But I think it'll evolve into more than that. She's definitely more of a match for him than she was for Jack or he was for Sabrina. I know Nikki/Jack are going to reunite. It's written in the cards, their marriage was cut short due to Nikki. And yes he has. He's really never approved of anyone Victoria has been with, even JT. No one is ever good enough for his Victoria. I know Sharon/Adam will sleep together tomorrow because it was in the previews. And for once I'm feeling bad for Adam, but it doesn't change what he did. He stole Faith and killed Hope. And Phyllis will see her father, since he's joining the series this week. No one really knows what happened. George Summers was on during the 1990's but I barely remember him. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 01:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I watch way too much television, too :) What do you think will happen with Daisy? I don't really know that storyline too well. All I know is that Sarah Smythe, Lauren's doppelganger, held them hostage and forced them to torture Lauren and Jana. Then she drugged Daniel and had sex with him, became pregnant, had Lucy and left Daniel on the side of the road for dead, and Lucy was illegally adopted by Billy/Victoria. Do you know anymore details? Let me know. Adam killed Hope? I thought she died of cancer. And Phyllis said what happened between her and her father on today's episode: he stole money from his various clients, and when Phyllis and her family found out, she reported him and testified against him. Afterward he turned the rest of her family against her, and she moved to Genoa City. Despite her nasty feelings that was decades ago and she needs to see her dying father, which we know she will. Anyway get back to me :) Creativity97 22:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I hope Daisy rots in Hell in a jailcell. I find the character completely useless and un-needed. It shows the stupidity of MAB. Sarah Smythe is not a complete doppelganger. Sarah Smythe is the long lost sister of Sheila Carter, whom got surgery to look like Lauren as the same time Patty got surgery to look like Emily. She had Lucy with Daniel, knocked him out and took the baby with her and dropped her off at a church. And no no no. Hope was Adam's mother and yes, she died of cancer. However, when Victor and Ashley re-married, she became pregnant and befriended Adam. As a tribute, she was going to name the baby Hope, especially after her last pregnancy. And then Adam haunted Ashley as Sabrina and she fell down the stairs and lost the baby, but continued to believe she was pregnant. At the psychward, she got Sharon's baby and decided to call her Faith instead. And if I were Phyllis, I wouldn't go see the father. I truly wouldn't. But that's just me. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 23:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Ohh, I forgot about Ashley naming her child Hope. I read that somewhere. Yeah, I can understand why Phyllis would really not want to see her father, but wouldn't you want to at least say one last thing to the man? Like as far as "I hate you" or "Sorry." Sheila Carter looked like quite the character, and she got plastic surgery to look like Phyllis at one point? Wow. That must've been complicated. Yeah Daisy probably should've been written out but she wants her daughter back, and I really don't think that'll happen and maybe then she'll be gone for good. I don't think Adam will ever see again, but I think for sure Jack will be walking again soon. Besides his constant complaining will have to result in him walking again. I'm seeing a Sharon/Adam reunion. I really don't like the character of Sharon anymore. Ever since the whole running away to New Mexico thing she has been different, do you think she'll ever go back to being blonde? I hate her hair color now and I thought she would change it back when she got out of prison, but I guess not. I was happy when she got out of prison but now she just bugs me. Anyway get back to me :) Creativity97 02:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh see, I love Sharon Case as a brunette more than a blonde. It suits her better. Her blonde 'do was BORING. It did one thing, but this one seems to do more. It's less damaged. Sharon needs a damn backbone and this past week is somewhat changing my dynamic on "Shadam" but not to the point of truly supporting it. More like killing Sharon so I can sleep with Adam because Michael Muhney, my oh my the things I could do! _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 02:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

That's funny. I find Nick more attractive than Adam. I just liked Sharon better as a blonde, that's just me. What do you think will happen with Cane working at Jabot? I bet he and Jill are eventually gonna have a huge argument and it won't work out. Ashley's character is really pissing me off for some reason. Sharon, Ashley and Phyllis used to be my fave characters, but now I hate and love Phyllis at the same time, Sharon as you know doesn't impress me anymore and neither does Ashley, she doesn't have any action. The last action storyline she had was Diane's murder, and I'm just happy that is over and done with, finally! Stupid MAB. What do you think is gonna happen with the whole Chelsea/Anita, Billy/Victoria baby mishap? I kinda don't want Anita to leave, which she probably won't. I'm warming up to her character, she's obviously a con artist and I like that suspense :) Anyway get back to me with your thoughts. Creativity97 00:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I always found Nick more attractive, but Adam is more my type. Nick is too built for me. I don't like abs or too muscular men. I think Cane will work at Jabot fine. I don't see Jill vs. Cane happening, I really don't. And ew no, Sharon looked BAD as a blonde. It washed her out too much. She looks better now, youngest she's looked in years. And I love Ashley; she's been through so much, she deserves some happy downtime. And Anita needs to GO! The actress cannot act and the writing is horrific. I would've rather seen Jaclyn Smith in the role of Anita. Y&R needs to let go a lot of actors immediately. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 02:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah Catherine Bach is a really bad actress but I'm just saying that I like the role of Anita, not her actress. Was Jaclyn Smith up for that role? All soap characters deserve some downtime after they've been through something major, but in order to hold the audience they need to bring them back to the spotlight eventually, you know what I mean? And now Angelina is going to start to irritate me big time. Looks like Kevin is settling in and will probably fall for her, which is an awful decision. You can just see it by the way he looks at her now. Bad actors on Y&R for me include: Catherine Bach, Diana DeGarmo, Mike Starr, and Ted Shackelford. I thought Melissa Claire Egan was bad at first too but now I think she's okay. Angelo/Angelina needs to go now. Angelo really pisses me off and it isn't funny anymore. Angelo is stupid, and Gloria is a fool to fall for him. I used to like how Angie was funny and dumb, but it's gotten old now and it's time to say goodbye. American Idol runner-up doesn't belong on soaps that's for sure. What do you think of Debbi Morgan as Harmony? I always thought it was kinda stupid to bring back her character, and they only did it because Tucker was found out to be Devon's father. And now it's like she's just there, and follows Devon around cuz she wants a relationship with him. It's gotten kinda old now. Unless her character starts to see some real action, like maybe falling for Neil and breaking up his loveless marriage to Sofia, I think she needs to go now. Do you think it would be nice to have Dru come back? It will most probably never happen in a million years but still, we're talking soaps here. Anyway get back to me with your thoughts :) Creativity97 03:21, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Catherine Bach I'm sure only got this part-time role because she was Daisy Duke. And no, Jaclyn unfortunately was not up for the role. I've hated Angelina since the beginning because I've hated DeGarmo since Idol. MCE was good on All My Children but I don't like Chelsea at all. She's a poser. The show needs to ditch her character and a lot of other un-needed ones. They need to go back to the basics and strip the series down. I love Debbi Morgan. She's awesome! I'd love her with Neil. Sofia needs to be DITCHED. She was good with Malcolm, but now? Nope. Dru would be awesome to come back but I know that won't happen anytime in the distant future. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 03:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah Sofia is boring now. I agree she was good with Malcolm, but he's gone now and she is just there, kinda like Harmony, who would be good with Neil :) Other than that bye-bye Sofia PLEASE! Chelsea is annoying but they're too far in with her storyline now, so what are ya gonna do. Anyway talk again soon. Creativity97 03:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I cannot stand Sofia. The actress is AMAZING but the character thinks with her legs not her brain/heart. Dru would tear her to shreds. And I love Harmony, but I just hope Debbi isn't Maura 2.0 at all. That would piss me off. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 03:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Was Julia Pace Mitchell on anything else major? Harmony is okay. I don't really care about her storyline right now, I mean I watch it, but unless it gets good I pay attention to the other storylines, you know? And also I wanted to ask you, what would you think of listing the senior cast members for the soap pages, like it used to be, instead of just a link to the cast members page. I know that was done to end all disputes, but they're aren't a lot of senior cast members left on all the soaps so the lists wouldn't be long. Just a thought. I just think it would look better to at least list a few on the page instead of just a link. Also what do you think will happen to Adam? The previews show him involved with a fire at the farm. Do you think Sharon will get in an accident or something? Get back to me with your thoughts :) Creativity97 23:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe she was on anything too notable, that I know of. Never heard of her until she came onto Y&R. And I have to say no to that C97, I'm sorry. Since we added it linking to the cast list, it's ended all disputes, including those from IP Addresses. I say just leave it as it is bud, sorry. It's ended the disputes and putting senior cast, it'll just open more cans of worms the soap articles don't need. And I don't know. I see Sharon getting into an accident, yes. But other than that, know nothing. Kind of bored of Y&R a lot lately. There's nothing grabbing my attention anymore, unless it's Nikki-related. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 23:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

That's okay. It was just a thought, I figured that was done to end a bunch of disputes anyway. I love Nikki. Her and Jill are my fave female characters, even though Jill's storylines have been kinda boring lately. I really want to see what will happen with Gen and Victor, and I really want to see Nikki have it out on him when he gets home. What do you think will happen with Anita working at Gloworm? All I see is it aggravating Billy, Victoria and even Chelsea. Oh boy. That storyline really needs to pick up somehow, she needs to give birth soon because it's getting really repetitive now. Victoria will probably always hate Chelsea deep down, even if they end up getting Billy's son. Get back to me :) Creativity97 23:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Doing the cast list linking was to end the disputes. People were adding/removing people and it was a complete and utter mess. And in the age of soaps, we need to keep it simply. The character pages need more of the attention. And TBH, I don't want another Victor vs. Nikki showdown. Those are boring now. The minute he told Nikki she should have died instead of Sabrina kind of made me cringe at them being together. Anita obviously has history with Jeffrey. And I don't know, hate her character more than I ever hated Erica Kane. So that says something. And Chelsea is due soon. She came to town a few months pregnant, and according to the timeline, she's due March/April. Keep in mind, you're pregnant for about nine-to-ten months, unless you have a premature birth. The whole storyline is stupid. It's even more gross since Melissa/Billy played sister/brother on AMC. So that's even more gross to me. Victoria will always resent Chelsea, she could do the one thing she cant: have Billy's baby. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 00:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it sure looks like Anita has history with Jeffrey. It was stupid to bring Jeffrey back, and now two stupid characters will embark on a new-found storyline. Oh brother. Wow, Victor told Nikki she should've died instead of Sabrina? Let me add that to the list of things why I hate Victor. And yes, Niktor showdowns have gotten old, but still. Yes the character pages do need more attention. Do you know if Arre has being working on them lately? Because last I checked she had put that project on hold, I'll have to ask her. I would still like to do decade pages after the 2000 page has been done, so it will be like 1990-99, 1980-89, and 1973-79. Cuz it will take forever to create all those individual pages, so I would like to recommend that :) Talk again soon. Creativity97 03:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I liked Ken Shriner as Jeffrey more than I enjoy the current dude. Aha. The character of Jeffrey is wasteful, though. And yeah, Victor told her that back when Sabrina died, along with their baby. Arre hasn't been watching soaps for nearly four weeks since the last I spoke to her. And I think all the pages should be decades, like 2000-2010, 2010-2020, etc. because some years aren't going to be as plentiful as others. I suggested that to her and I don't think she agreed. And BTW, I think Y&R needs to stop hiring cast and update their damn opening theme. It's been this way for eight years. It's old and dated. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 17:47, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I know, right? They really need to update the opening theme, and maybe add some new cast members in there too. And BTW Patty is back!! I read the info for next week and it said "Patty tells a secret that could ruin Adam." But I'm not entirely happy that she is back, I hope they'll wrap up her storyline in coming weeks and then she's gone. It's gonna take Arre awhile to catch up on all those soaps, that's part of the reason why I only watch Y&R I would never in a million years have the time to watch more than one soap :) I barely remember Kin Shriner as Jeffrey, I think I only saw him once in the entire time he was replacing Ted Shackelford. What do you think will happen with Phyllis and her dad? To be honest I think it's all stupid; they're talking about their problems as if it was a big part of the show at one point, it wasn't. From what I read George was only seen very briefly in 1995, and Phyllis only revealed what happened between them a couple of episodes ago. And I think George will only be seen for like four episodes, so what's the point really? And decade pages would be better overall now that you mention it but Arre has already made and dedicated time to making all those individual pages so I get why she might not be crazy about the idea. Anyway get back to me :) Creativity97 22:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you have an e-mail address we could talk at since we're kind of being yelled at not to discuss these things anymore on our talk pages and don't like feeling like I'm being watched like a five year old. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 18:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Umm, sure. My email address is [ this part of the message has been removed for privacy reasons ]. I still like being called Creativity though :) And just so you know ahead of time I cannot stand chain emails and forwarded messages and such, so please refrain from sending those to me. What's yours? Let me know :) Creativity97 20:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't chain mail or forward anything, either. Those annoy me to no end, ahaha. And I'm e-mailing you now. It'll be more private than here, for obvious reasons!

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Hiya! I'm writing here to get you to read WP:RS. Some of the pages you've been using for links aren't really considered to be reliable sources that show notability. For example, Goodreads is completely unusable as a source since it's entirely user added and edited. Data such as book pages and whatnot don't generally need to have a reference linked to them, so you also don't have to link to the primary sources either. Any and all merchant sites are absolutely unusable as a resource, so you cannot link to them. If there's a review on there by a notable person, you must find it on a non-merchant site.

Primary sources are unusable because they're released by the author, their agent, their publisher, a merchant (like Amazon), or someone that's directly involved in the book at some point in time. You can use them, but only if there's multiple independent and reliable sources to back it up. In other words, in order to use a primary source you'd have to have so many reliable and independent sources that there's no reason to use a primary source at all. In any case, primary sources can never establish notability so having an article that's only linked to primary sources won't keep it safe from potential deletions.

Another thing that was brought up in one of the AfD rationales was that some of the sources weren't seen as reliable. Blogs can never be used as reliable sources unless they're written by an absolute and guaranteed authority along the lines of Stephen King or the editor of the NYT. Sites such as The Best Reviews are considered to be rather dodgy, so I'd avoid using that site. To be honest, I'd also avoid using any review by Harriet Klausner. She's infamous in the review circles for her reviews being dubious, so I'm not entirely sure that she'd be considered an absolute reliable source. In any case, TBR seems to be only reposting her reviews on their site and isn't run by Klausner herself. As far as sites to use, I recommend the following: Publishers Weekly, Kirkus Reviews, School Library Journal, VOYA, Booklist, and any review done by a major newspaper. Again, blogs are not reliable sources. Also be careful of sites that call themselves "magazine" or "journal". Not every magazine or journal is usable as a reliable source and again I want to direct you to WP:RS.

If you're ever in doubt, always ask the reliable sources noticeboard at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Be careful, since using unreliable sources will not keep an article from being deleted. I don't want to sound harsh, but it actually can make for more work for others who have to scramble to clean up the article, remove the unusable links, and try to rescue the page. It's easy to make these mistakes and I've been there before, but you've got to be careful. Having a ton of links does not always equate to keeping an article or adequately sourcing materials. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79

• Comment: I've also noticed that you've been pretty much only posting the positive reviews. PLEASE be careful about this since it's seen as cherry picking reviews and can be seen as a conflict of interest if your fandom will get in the way of writing a neutral article. I like Saul too and have since I was in middle school, but you have to be neutral. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Hi there. Thank you so much for letting me know, I'm still working on improving on all those new pages. Thank you for letting me know which sites were unusable too. I will be careful and use some of those reliable newspapers you talked about. Thanks again, and no you weren't harsh, I need feedback :) Creativity97 22:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I just realized you took out all of the unusable links and put in reliable ones, and for that I am eterntally greatful. You helped me out a lot and I am sorry that you wasted valuable time on that. I'll be more careful too to avoid that. And just a question, don't you need to post the accessdate of the link? Just wondering, because I like to do that for accuracy. God bless you! Creativity97 22:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

• Hey, looks great so far! The only thing is that the B&N link cannot be used since it's a merchant site, but I managed to find the link to Library Journal. I wanted to give you a head's up about something else: be careful about using the exact blurb from the book. I'd been using that up until very recently but someone told me we can't use it due to copyright issues. (Although it makes tons of sense to use the bookjacket quote, but I digress...) You don't really use them, but I thought I'd let you know since it took me by surprise since I'd been using them for a while now. BTW, can you help me find some sources for the Blackstone Chronicles (novel series) article? I managed to find that there is a graphic novel adaptation (squee!) but I wasn't able to find that many sources for it that'd be considered reliable. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)Tokyogirl79

• Hi!! I will poke around for some links for those. And thanks for the heads up about the book jacket plots. It's sometimes hard to find the exact link and I thought B&N would be fine, but it's great you found the original LJ link. I'll keep you posted on those links and about other things I may need to consult with you for :) Creativity97 22:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

• I saw that you got the page to work! I felt bad when I read that the first attempt didn't take. I hate it when that happens, especially if you've got a full page of work. >.< As far as B&N goes, we can't use any merchant sources to back up a quote because they're considered to be associated with the publisher/author in that they're selling the book and have a potential conflict of interest. I know one of the biggies is that merchant sites like to take the best 1-2 lines of a review for their site, which is sort of what makes them sort of off limits. It's really frustrating sometimes, especially when you get to the older books where the blurbs might not be on the journal's website anymore or when you have the reviews that are posted in their entirety. What I found that sort of gets around this is that I'll use library websites that quote the review. It's just better to avoid using them because if someone tries to remove the entry, they'll try and use these against the article. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:33, 2 March 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79

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Hey :) can you tell me whats going on with Sharon on Y&R? Somebody posted something on her page about her breaking it off with Adam; i just want to verify this with you. Thanks :) −Arrekea♥(Talk) 10:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey!! Sharon and Adam went to Hope's farm, where they made love. During a storm Sharon went to town for food and lightning struck the barn, and Adam was able to put it out all by himself. They continued to make love and Adam told Sharon to wear his mother's ring; not because they're engaged, because he wants her to have it. They came back to GC, at the same time Patty told Paul that Adam helped her escape from that mental facility. Sharon asked Adam to live with her on the ranch. Paul came to Adams's room at the GCAC and is gonna tell Sharon what he did. She might break things off now that she knows this info. Anyway that's what's been going on. Let me know if there's anything else :) Creativity97 15:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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sources

Hi thanks for having the time to create this page, i haven't been working/up with soaps in a while. I can help with this page though, can you help find sources/refs with me? It is lacking that. −Arrekea♥(Talk) 06:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi!! I've been poking around for some sources as apparently SoapCentral isn't a reliable one. Anyway I'll keep you posted on what I find. I'm eventually going to start work on a 1980-89 page too. Creativity97 15:53, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey there. Hope you are online. But could we get started on the 80-89 page? Btw, i don't think we need to do anything more to the 1990-99 page. It looks pretty good; i just filled out all the citations etc and its looking good. Let's try and make separate pages so we can eventually delete the minor characters page. :) −Arrekea♥(Talk) 07:51, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey! I hope you don't mind, but i took the liberty of creating the 1980-89 character page already :-D, hope thats okay with you :) −Arrekea♥(Talk) 07:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

American Idol (season 11) AfDs

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James Denton at the bottom of the cast list on the Desperate Housewives page.

The reason why I put James Denton down at the bottom of the cast list on the Desperate Housewives page is because so that the cast list doesn't get all mixed up. You know what I mean? AdamDeanHall (talk) 20:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I guess, but like I said on your page the way the cast is listed makes it look like James Denton joined the cast in season 8, which he did not. I don't think it makes sense to put him at the bottom. I think he should further up with the originals, my opinion. Creativity97 20:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Ndash?

I notice you keep coding the line with an "ndash" kind of coding, but you should just use "—". That's the correct coding for "to present". You keep adding the wrong one. PS: respond here. My Talk page is too long. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 02:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I used to do that but every time I would hit the hyphen on my keyboard it would come out like just a little one not a long one that comes out with ndash. Sorry, I'll keep that in mind from now on :) Creativity97 22:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

All you have to do is press the long dash (second one in) below the "Edit summary", aha. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 17:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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Obviously this is about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Young and the Restless minor characters. I think the result of the discussion is a foregone conclusion, so this isn't a big deal. However, try to be careful about canvassing in the future. AniMate 07:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it's just that SoapJar21 and I had been talking about how we wanted that page deleted so I knew that she felt that way. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Creativity97 13:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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House of Anubis

On the House of Anubis page in the description it says it was the first soap opera created for children and teens. I also read the soap opera page to see the qualifications for something to be a soap opera and it fits the description. The acting is also shot only once like a soap opera. It is also on every day like a soap opera. Do you still disagree? Why? Thepoodlechef (talk) 23:01, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh okay I didn't realize that. I just read the genre and it didn't immediately include soap opera. Sorry. Didn't mean to cause trouble. I no longer disagree. Creativity97(Talk) 23:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh Ok! So I've never watched any other soap operas besides House of Anubis before... Are there any fantasy soap operas in America? Thepoodlechef (talk) 01:35, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

No that I know of, but I'll let you know if I ever find any :) Creativity97 (Talk) 15:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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There is someone trying to get this page deleted. Go help us save it! [2] _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 17:01, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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I'm kind of disappointed you in Creativity. You know we don't use small text in the Infoboxes, yet you added it to John Abbott's character page. And he's not the "III" since Billy is not a "John". _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 02:01, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, you know not to add things that defy WP:CRYSTALBALL. What's going on? It's like you're reverting back newbie settings? _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 02:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry :( I didn't realize that I was defying WP:CRYSTALBALL :S About John Abbott, I know Billy's name is William and not John; Billy, Jack, Ashley and Traci's father was John Abbott, Sr., Jack's real name is John making him John Jr., and now Billy's new baby would be John III, no? I'm really sorry! :( I'm technically not a "newbie" but I'm seriously not that experienced, I've only been editing with the account Creativity97 full time since last December, the account was made in October 2010 but I edited without signing in until I decided to use my account full time. I'm a learner, and I want to continue learning. I hadn't realized that we stopped using small text in the infoboxes, do we use just regular size text now? If so than I won't use small anymore. Again, I'm really sorry. I'll take everything into note. I want to learn, so please don't be mad at me or treat me differently now. I do know a lot about editing and I will try now not to defy CrystalBall or anything else. I'm not a newbie, so please don't treat me different, okay? I don't want to argue, we had our fair share of that at the beginning of my days :) Creativity97 (Talk) 02:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Billy's son would not be John III since Billy isn't "John." Technically, Jack's stillborn son John Abbott would be John Abbott III since Jack is John's namesake. Just like Caroline on B&B, she isn't Caroline Jr. since she isn't Caroline's child. And small text was removed a long while back at WP:SOAPS. It's been in effect for a lot of months. I won't treat you differently, I'm just a little shocked by how you're editing the past day or so. So it concerned me is all. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 02:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Again, I apologize. I now understand about John Abbott, thank you. I never realized small text was removed, sorry and I know now. Thank you for your concern. I will be more careful :) Creativity97 (Talk) 02:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

It's fine, I just got worried because it seemed very unlike you to make such edits, especially when it was outlined in John's profile that he wasn't a "III/IV" since Billy wasn't a John. _{MusicFreak7676} ^TALK! 17:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

About John again, I did some research and even though Billy isn't a John, John would technically be John IV, because just say hypothetically; John Sr. had Jack and Billy, Jack was named John Jr. and Billy is Billy. Jack then had a stillborn named John, so thus he would be John III. Even though Billy isn't a John, John Sr. is still is father and John Jr. his his brother, and thus Billy's newborn would be John IV. That's the way I see it. It's true because in in my best friend's family, his father named my friend's brother after himself, and my friend was named differently. My friend's son was named after his grandfather, and his name ends with "III." Anyway I believe his name is John Abbott IV. Whatever, nothing to argue about. It's fine as is for now I guess. Creativity97 (Talk) 22:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)