Crystal rayne

Crystal Rayne: Author of such books as the fiction fantasy book Sagar'un - Tales of a New World and the historical romance novel Raven. Crystal Rayne is the Vice-President of PublicNation Publishing House. Born in 1971, is a mother of 7 children.

PublicNation Publishing House

Is a small publishing house in the United States that was started by authors Crystal Rayne, Konrad Hollenstein, graphic artist Tomaz Mrevlje and business executive Richard Will. http://www.prlog.org, http://www.bookwire.com/ Crystal rayne (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Tomaz Mrevlje

Graphic arts designer from Slovenia. Source (Amazon.com) He is also the Treasurer for PublicNation Publishing House. Crystal rayne (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Crystal Rayne

Author of such books as the fiction fantasy book Sagar'un - Tales of a New World and the historical romance novel Raven. Crystal Rayne is the Vice-President of PublicNation Publishing House. Born in 1971, is a mother of 7 children. Crystal rayne (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Sagar'un - Tales of a New World

Sagar'un - Tales of a New World is an epic fantasy book with high adventure all in one. The authors, Crystal Rayne and Konrad Hollenstein created this new world from scratch. The book has many common creatures from the fantasy world, such as elves, gnomes and orcs, but also has a vast array of new, and different creatures that have never been written about in the past. Copyright 2010 by PublicNation Publishing House. Copyright PublicNation Publishing House 2010 - 3D graphics by Tomaz Mrevlje of PublicNation publishing House

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Speedy deletion nomination of Crystal Rayne

A tag has been placed on Crystal Rayne requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles – see the Article Wizard.

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Proposed deletion of Sagar'un

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Sagar'un

Moved discussion from deleted talk page to User talk page.

I would like an explanation as to why this is even being proposed for deletion. I noted that it states that a major contributor has close ties to this article, however, i know this to be a false statement, due to the fact that the book was published by our company, and the only people that claim claim a close relation to the subject matter are the 2 authors, the graphic artist and the CEo of the publishing company, and since the person proposing this article for deletion is none of these people, I find it hard to believe that they think they are somehow connected to this matter in any way, shape or form. The book IS a notable book both in the United States as well as in Europe, so any claim that it is not notable is also false. Anyhow, those are my objections to the deleting of this article.

If the book was published by your company, would that not prove there is a close tie to the book? This is not an article written by someone that is not related to the book - the company has a vested interest in the book. You have stated the book is notable; however, you have not provided any proof that it is notable by Wikipedia standards. Just saying so does not make it so. ttonyb (talk) 16:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

It is agreed that our company published the book. Would you rather one of our readers posted this article instead? I am not entirely sure i understand why it would have to wait until an outside person would post the article, or, in reality, the difference it makes to have someone else post it instead of me. As to the notoriety of the book, all one has to do is to google it. Your statement that "just saying so doesnt make it so" and asking me to prove it, is easily proven by a google search of Sagar'un. No where, have I noted anywhere in wiki financial statements of an item to prove it's popularity or significance. Notable works speak for themselves. Please explain what it is that you are wanting for the proof of the notoriety of the work, please. If needed, when Sony Pictures International out of Munich Germany decides we are able to announce it, we can wait until this becomes a movie, and relist if need be. It should also be noted that at this time, we have had talks with Sony about turning the book series into a morning cartoon for European and Asian television. Personally, I would tend to think that these things would make the book and it's series "notable", but I understand if we need to post the article after this becomes a movie and television show. If you need to verify these details, please feel free to contact Mr. Daniel Otto; Director of Aquisitions at Sony in Munich, Germany.Crystal rayne (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:NOTBOOK to determine what is needed to establish Wikipedia notability. The burden of establishing Wikipedia notability lies with the author of the article not the reader.

I looked at the Google hits for the book prior to nominating it for deletion and found that the substance of Ghits was not up to Wikipedia standards. Notability must be supported by verifiable, reliable sources. Please note there is a difference between "real-world" notability and Wikipedia based notability. I suggest you read the links in the Welcome message in you talk page for further help. If you have any specific questions after you read the links, please let me know. ttonyb (talk) 18:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess one has to wonder why there is a difference between "real world" and wiki notoriety. Notoriety should be just that, a notable subject matter or person. If a person or thing is notable in the "real world", and wiki exists in the "real world", then one would think that what is notable in the real world should be considered to be notable in wiki as well. Example of a person would be George Washington. While he is a notable real world person, his time was WAY before the internet, yet, without even looking, I would guess that George Washington is listed in Wiki. I personally don't see the difference between the two. Also, I would like to note that "notoriety", the way i read the wiki manual, is not a truly defined term, but more of a guideline. I do note the express language in the section, however, that specifically states "failing to satisfy them is not a criterion for speedy deletion." Interested in your reply.Crystal rayne (talk) 19:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

The need for Wikipedia vs. "real-word" notability stems from the need to provide verifiable, Reliable sources. Remember, Wikipedia is not based on facts, but verifiability. Wikipedia notability provides a non-subjective way to establish notability. It is assumed that anything that is "real-world' notable will also have verifiable, Reliable sources. As far as not meeting WP:NOTBOOK not being a criteria for "Speedy Deletion", you are right; however, the article has not been nominated for "Speedy Deletion". It has been nominated for a PROD based delete. ttonyb (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

It appears the article was deleted as a result of it being,"G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: ad for selfpublished book" ttonyb (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)