Cumanche

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July 2009

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Genizaro article

We're obviously butting heads. I think we should reach some kind of compromise to prevent further reverts. Lechonero (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

You have reverted my changes twice within 24 hours without any effort to compromise. If you do this more than three times within 24 hours to the same article I will report you for a 3RR which will likey result in your account being blocked. Lechonero (talk) 03:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

My Response

I have moved this discussion to the talk page of the Genizaro article. Please respond there. Lechonero (talk) 14:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Compromise

I see you made some changes to the Genizaro article without considering my compromise I suggested on this article's talk page. I'm going to leave the article alone for a day or two to see what you do. If you don't respond, I'm going to use the compromise I suggested, with or without your approval. Lechonero (talk) 21:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

My Report

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I've reported your refusal to compromise on the WP:ANI. Lechonero (talk) 15:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gen%C3%ADzaro#My_response Lechonero (talk) 00:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Lechonero (talk) 21:34, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Your comment in archives

The archives are a record of what has been said. Any edits should be restricted to technical aspects. As a result, I reverted your addition. Even if a page has been protected, it can be edited by request. If you can gain consensus, by offering sourced content that meets other editors approval (with their changes and suggestions to which there is agreement), you can request that it be added by an admin. It might help not to think of it as frozen, so much as stationary, giving you time to build an ironclad case.Novangelis (talk) 14:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

See [1] Lechonero (talk) 23:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I have reported you for two personal attacks against me. See the report here: [2] Lechonero (talk) 16:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Compromise

The Genizaro article will be unprotected in two days. You've made no effort to compromise with me. If you revert my edits, I will revert them back. Therefore I strongly suggest you compromise with me. I will repeat my compromise in case you forgot it: Let's avoid using the phrases Indian and Native American. Let's use the names of individual tribes instead. Lechonero (talk) 01:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

Your sockpuppet has now been blocked in accordance with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cumanche. I am not blocking this account, but this is your only warning with regards to sockpuppetry. You should not abuse multiple accounts for the purpose of avoiding scrutiny or edit warring. Any further sockpuppets will lead to a block of this account. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me. Regards, Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 16:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Shirik!

Shirik. I appreciate your consideration in this matter. I was not aware of the wiki I fraction but I have no problem with bgalleg being closed. I would like for you to take a close look at the Genizaro page and it's revisions. I continue to be dumbfounded as to why Lechonero is fixated on taking the word Indian out of a page about an American Indian group. (see references). He/she had the page frozen for a month and has continued to alter the page in a way that greatly alters it's accuracy. Lechonero has him/herself admitted to having no knowledge of the topic. I understand multiple editing and contributions. But I cannot understand attempting to alter the meaning of a topic he/she knows nothing about and openly admits to this. (see discussion in Cumanche page).

Thank you for your time and consideration

CumancheCumanche (talk) 21:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism and 3RR

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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia as you did to Genizaro. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

My Comments

You seemed to have resumed edit warring with me. Also you vandalized the first paragraph of the Genizaro article by repeatedly inserting your Wikipedia signature in the text. Both of these behaviors will only get this account blocked as well. I'm going to state my compromise again: Let's not use the terms Native American or Indian. Let's use the names of individual tribes instead. The word Indian is only truly accurate when used to refer to people born in India and their descendants. Lechonero (talk) 03:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

By the way, what do you have against the word "shepherd"? Lechonero (talk) 03:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Cumanche Response

Dear Wiki editors. The edits I have made are constructive. I have included references along with the edits. All of my edits have been made in the spirit of providing accuracy and as much information about Genizaros, who were Indian Slaves in the Southwest. The term Indian is clearly widely used in the United States to refer to the Indigenous Peoples who resided in the Americas before European occupation. The United States BIA for example is the Bureau of Indian Affairs. It is in reference to Indigenous peoples of the Americas.

Best to you

Cumanche Cumanche (talk) 14:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Please refrain from repeatedly undoing other people's edits. It appears you may be engaged in an edit war. The three-revert rule (3RR) prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, please discuss disputed changes on the talk page. Thank you.

This hardly constitutes a compromise. You simply are asserting you're correct. I'm going to state my compromise again: Let's not use the terms Native American or Indian. Let's use the names of individual tribes instead. The word Indian is only truly accurate when used to refer to people born in India and their descendants. Lechonero (talk) 17:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)