Cyberarchéologue

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kingdon Tregosse Frost (November 8)

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

This is an article on Jstor that I linked to on the page with his complete biography of Kingdon Tregosse Frost: https://www.jstor.org/stable/20568249?read-now=1&seq=2#page_scan_tab_contents

Jstor is the most trusted source of historical information en England and in the entire world, especially one of the top sites used on Wikipedia for historical stuff.

How is this not a reliable source? Please explain to me... Cyberarchéologue (talk) 10:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Happy to explain.

Firstly, JSTOR is not a source, it's a library; a 'portal' to sources, if you like. The actual source behind that link is the Ulster Journal of Archaeology.

Secondly, that source wasn't actually referenced in the draft. (Yes, I can see that it is now.) We only look at references, not other external links.

Thirdly, I didn't say that particular source isn't reliable. As I explained in my comments, sources must be reliable (ref #4 seems to be a WordPress blog) and published (#1 appears to be a diary). It wasn't clear what #2 was. And most of the draft content isn't referenced, so we have no way of knowing where the majority of the information has come from.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. But I don't understand where do we go from here?

You just drop the whole article? Cyberarchéologue (talk) 16:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I have to admit that I'm very confused. I do a lot, a lot of research, and tons of informations on Wiki articles are untrue and wrong. Here I only have one source, reliable too, and published, where I found all this and you would rather just drop the whole thing?? I don't get the logic here. Cyberarchéologue (talk) 16:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Have you read the Ulster reference? Cyberarchéologue (talk) 16:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Do you want me to add the Ulster reference to every paragraph? Cyberarchéologue (talk) 16:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I haven't "dropped" anything, if by that you mean pulled the proverbial plug on this draft, or nixed it, or thrown it by the way side. That would be what we call rejection, which means "end of the road, do not proceed any further". I merely declined this draft, which means "this may be acceptable, but certain issues need to be addressed first; please continue developing it, and resubmit later".

Yes, you are expected to cite every paragraph, that is the bare minimum of referencing. (You also must cite every direct quotation, and any potentially contentious statements.) You can, and often should, cite the same source multiple times, against each fact that it supports; see WP:NAMEDREFS for advice on how to do that.

Whether some information in some other Wikipedia articles is wrong – and I'm sure that is the case – isn't what we're discussing here; we're talking about the sourcing of your draft. Let's get this draft to a publishable state, and we can then worry about the other articles out there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Alright will do so, thank you. But no time now... I hope I have time later Cyberarchéologue (talk) 07:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cyberarchéologue! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)