DD disco

Your submission at Articles for creation: Berndorf Band Group (September 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Guessitsavis were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 11:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Berndorf Band Group (October 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Berndorf Band Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

Hello DD disco. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Draft:Berndorf Band Group, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:DD disco. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=DD disco|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

hi there, thanks for your comments! I am not being compensated for the edits on this article, just found it interesting to write about a hidden player from Austria, where I am also from. Could you please provide some more details on what makes the article seem like it's advertisement? I've seen other entries of companies such as Julius Meinl or similar too on Wikipedia. Any feedback is appreciated! Thanks! DD disco (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. So how would you describe your relationship with this company? So far your edit history consists of an attempt at publishing an article on this topic, and when that draft was deleted, you created another. I assume there's a reason why you picked this particular subject? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

It was my first time publishing something on Wikipedia and it was a bit confusing.. I was not sure if I did everything correctly which is why I then deleted it :) I'd like to write about more Austrian hidden players and companies in the future and came across Berndorf Band Group more or less by chance. Berndorf is a little town in Lower Austria famous for steel and there's another company producing cutlery called Berndorf. I thought this was fun and then started researching more. DD disco (talk) 13:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright, understood, thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

so what are the next steps now? DD disco (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

The next steps are to go back to the basics of how Wikipedia articles are composed, and start from scratch.

We need to see what others have of their own volition said about this company and what makes it worthy of note. You need to find multiple secondary sources (mainly print and broadcast media) that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject and of each other, and which have provided significant coverage (not just passing mentions etc.) of the company. Note that this excludes anything put out by the company, such as press releases, marketing or publicity materials, advertorial conten, etc., interviews and anything where a representative of the company is commenting on things, routine business reporting (financial results, M&A, appointment news, opening of new locations or markets, product launches, business awards, etc.), as well as any paid/sponsored content.

Your job is then to summarise, in your own words but without putting any 'spin' on things, what such sources have said, citing each source against the information it has provided.

You may then supplement this with information from primary sources such as the company's own website, but this must be limited to purely factual, non-contentious information such as year of founding, location of HQ, name of CEO, etc. We don't particularly want to see product/service details, operational information, etc.

In short, this should not be a company presentation; it should be a summary of why third parties see the company as influential, impactful, etc. enough to be included in a global encyclopaedia.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

okay thank you! so I can directly edit the current draft, right? DD disco (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you, or anyone else for that matter, can edit the current draft. And this is preferable to abandoning it and creating a new draft on the same subject, which tends to cause all sorts of confusion. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

okay, get it! makes sense! thanks for your support! DD disco (talk) 14:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)