User talk:Daeva Trạc/Archive 1

Archive 1

Source for the Neo-Nazi flag

I saw that you added a Vietnamese Neo-Nazi flag, can you confirm that this is a real organisation? --Donald Trung (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, although not famous like the Communist Party of Vietnam, or Viet Tan Party, it’s pretty exist Some Vietnamese don’t like the Communist Party, but they also don’t prefer any Democratic/Capitalist Parties, and are very nationalist Daeva Trạc (talk) 00:02, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but do you have a source for that image? The image itself doesn't list a website or a photograph. I know that Vietnamese Neo-Nazi's exist, I just haven't seen this flag before. -- Donald Trung (talk) 00:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for late response (I did send you mail though), as you may know, the Neo-Nazist Vietnamese exists, but not famous simply because they are somewhat not united. So I just recreate the flag based on one of their designs. You can delete it if you want, I just want people know they are technically exist and may get very dangerous overtime (but that’s another topic). Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I haven't received any e-mail. I prefer not to delete anything, rather I prefer to source them. Any URL from the group itself would suffice. just add it to the "Source" field at the Wikimedia Commons. Feel free to write more about the Neo-Nazi phenomenon in Vietnam as unfortunately we don't have any articles on them. Donald Trung (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouragement But an editor wants a more reliable sources rather than just information from a unknown group So until those nazist do something that cause attention, I cannot say anything about them I will try my best to improve Wikipedia as you said. It may have some mistakes but I like to learn. Currently, I want to translate information from the English wiki to the Vietnamese version, especially on history and politic topics, hope can learn more from you and all the editors. Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Kingdom of Luang Prabang (Japanese puppet state)

Hi my friend. I hope you are fine. I have removed a large amount of unreferenced information. The new page review is one of the last approval stages, so when I see a page like this with a large amount of unreferenced information, and no {{In use}} tag to show that the page is undergoing a major build, I tend to err on the side of caution and remove the unreferenced information. The easiest solution is for you to add the tag to indicate the page is still under construction (if it is). This prevents me and other editors from editing the page until the process is complete and the tag is removed. Please assume good faith of me, as I do of you. By all means add the information again when you can add the references. Best wishes, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

The page is indeed, still under editing, however, all the info I took was come from the article French protectorate of Laos, the Japanese puppet section. This article is a split since the original one contains 2 entities, but the name only implies 1. Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

The info was from Wikipedia itself (see French protectorate of Laos#Laos during World War II and French protectorate of Laos#Japanese puppet state. The point of this article is to separate with the unrelated one (French Laos and Japanese Laos were different entities). Just like we have a separate article for Japanese Vietnam and Japanese Cambodia. Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@BoyTheKingCanDance my point is if the info is “wrong” and should be deleted, so does the original article. I haven’t sited it, but it doesn’t mean I won’t, though it is my fault for not putting the In use code. Daeva Trạc (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Greater Turkey map

While a map depicting the interredist claims on the territories of neighboring countries can be helpful for the readers in understanding the subject, Wikipedia requires that any information, including such maps, are always sourced for the needs of verifiability. I have removed the map on the grounds that it lacked any reliable sources. Feel free to restore the edits if any WP:RS are provided. Thanks and have a good day. - ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 20:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:18, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Just to be sure, can you check if this is valid enough (extremists’ sources are considered not reliable but I managed to find a news website), @SilentResident. [1] Daeva Trạc (talk) 21:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but the map shown on the news website you pointed to, doesn't verify your map; is quite different to the one you have created. It includes areas your map doesn't, and excludes areas yours does include. If, and only if, you make the necessary adjustments to your work, and WP:CITE the source, then yes, your map may be used in Wikipedia. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 18:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Please don't add flags, maps, and unsourced or badly sourced info

According to WP:UGC, you cannot add primarily user generated content as sources. This includes blogs such as wordpress, tumblr, or personal sites. Wikipedia as well. You cannot source using Wikipedia. Many of the maps you add are made by yourself and sourced with the above content, citing only wiki pages and UGC with no real source as to where the maps came from. The map you added at Hồng Bàng dynasty for example should not be there regardless of source since it is a legendary entity, especially one that is so poorly sourced in the page itself. You also shouldn't directly translate info from other language wikis to the English version when there are no sources. The names you added to Baiyue are not mentioned in the article at all. Qiushufang (talk) 04:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

It was mentioned until the deletion, but if you prefer, I will also add Chinese, Vietnamese, and if possible, English non-Wiki sources.

Maps are made from information provided, I didn’t make those up, just based on what I could find (Hong Bang dynasty is basically a mythical entity already, so why try to delete one myth and not the another?)

I also listed Wikipedia sources because there are usually outside sources inside, and it’s also away for Wikipedian to check their own information (if one is considered wrong, so should the other).

Anyway, will update more sources for my maps and the Wikis themselves later on. Daeva Trạc (talk) 04:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

The primary problem here is not the language of the sources, although EN wiki does prefer English sources, it is that the sources are either non-existence (ex. names added to Baiyue), UGC like wordpress, and do not reflect the content such as the map. Literally none of the sources at [2], which consist of dead images, UGC blogs such as wordpress and facebook, and a shady unprotected site, reflect the map. The previous sections on your talk should have made this clear. Qiushufang (talk) 04:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure, you need more sources, I will add more, this thing is kind of a common information in my place, so I just tried to get what closest to me (#). Links or pictures of books can also be provided if you insist. And for the previous section, you see, nationalists, especially the extremist ones, tend to spread their ideals in their own language, and in places such as social media (unreliable right?). And like you, the person before wanted reliable-readable sources and unfortunately, what I could find couldn’t be acceptable.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 05:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Nope, I haven’t add any unsourced flags is blatant deflection. The flag you added in this edit literally has "fictional flag" in its name while the source is a blog that doesn't even show the flag it's supposed to support. So it does have a source, one which does not support the content, is not reliable, and admits in its title that it is fictional. Your persistence in WP:IDHT is concerning and may be grounds for admin action. Qiushufang (talk) 07:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

True, it had an infobox, and my old self usually fill in as I thought it represent the fractions more clearly. But hey, my points still stand aren’t they? Since you haven’t even replied to most of my arguments (it would be childish to use one of my mistake to discredit all the others arguments). And as you stated: Your persistence in WP:IDHT is concerning and may be grounds for admins action. If there are no other arguments for the Baiyue or the Hồng Bàng (which will be either delete all the unsourced maps and claimed that may contain major information of the articles, or simply stop deleting things based on your person thought (at least keep the names, they aren’t even wrong)— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

@Qiushufang

First section: I did about an internet-based self-claimed Nazist party, but had to delete due to unnecessary

Second section: have you even read? I literally copy down from Wikipedia and that guy claimed I made things up, which then I added sources that come from the exact Wikipage

Third section: as I mentioned above

Fourth section: you deleted names (that have been written in various sources included in Wikipedia) and maps (that have more sources than those maps here. Then attacked me for some things I did in the past.

You are an extended user, I just simply give you my arguments and you demonized me? — Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not see a change in behavior to warrant describing the edit as the action of an "old self". This is the fourth time somebody has come to your page to warn you of the exact same behavior. Three times in the past two months. Qiushufang (talk)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Qiushufang (talk) 10:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

My name is Daeva Trạc

Xin hãy giữ bình tĩnh và lắng nghe tôi @TUIBAJAVE, @Billcipher123, @Nguyentrongphu. Tôi không phải là con rối của một gã tên “C”, tôi không dùng lời lẽ xúc phạm làm lý lẽ, tôi không quấy rối tình dục bất kỳ ai, tôi không kêu mọi người tự sát. Tôi không phải là hắn ta, tôi là một người dùng có tên Daeva Trạc và thế thôi. Mọi người không thích những lá cờ giả mà tôi tải lên vì nó khiến các bạn liên tưởng đến hắn, nhưng tôi sử dụng chúng như một công cụ để chống lại tin tức giả mạo và thông tin sai lệch chứ không phải để xác nhận điều đó. Tôi hy vọng bạn có thể hiểu. Tôi đã từng mắc sai lầm, nhưng tôi không muốn bị buộc tội vì những hành động mà mình không làm, bị cáo buộc là một kẻ đã gây ra phiền toái, thậm chí đau khổ cho những người dùng khác.

To whom that may concern, I am not a sock puppet of a guy named “C”, I don’t use insulting as arguments, I don’t sexual harassing anyone, I don’t tell people to commit suicide. I am not him, I am a user named Daeva Trạc and that’s it. People don't like the fictional flags I uploaded because it reminds them as him, but I use them as tool to fight against fake news and misinformation, not to confirm it. I hope you can understand. I have done wrong things for this community in the past, but I don’t want to be accused of actions I haven’t done, of someone who had caused misery for other users. Please, keep calm and listen.

Thanks @Donald Trung 1 for trying to help me, I appreciate that. Cảm ơn bạn đã đồng ý giúp mình thanh minh.

— Daeva Trạc (talk) 20:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Here is a comparison between users "Daeva Trạc" and the Unserefahne family of sockpuppets.

• Musée Annam typically is obsessed with categories, he will relentlessly add (often irrelevant) categories to files. Daeva Trạc has displayed no such interest in mass-categorisation.

• If Musée Annam wants to do an edit he edits, if another user only slightly disagrees a hailstorm of insults in Vietnamese follow, this is also true at the English-language Wikipedia. Daeva Trạc asks and seeks consensus before.

• Musée Annam just adds flags without context. Daeva Trạc saw the list of fictional flags at the Chinese list and uploaded those fake flags because of that. Note that the "List of Chinese flags" article got that list of fakes because I added it to Vietnam first to debunk Musée Annam, Daeva Trạc saw it at China and only then wanted to do it for Vietnam. Also notes that Daeva Trạc immediately names the flag as fictional, rather than just adding it to an infobox.

• Musée Annam is extremely and unapologetically incompetent and if you point it out he'll insult you, Daeva Trạc seeks help and advice from other editors when someone notes that he does something wrong. If he's not sure about something he'll tell you, see here. Musée Annam acts as if he cannot ever be wrong.

• I'll admin, Daeva Trạc often does things that I fundamentally disagree with, but they're willing to learn. Musée Annam doesn't even acknowledge the existence of criticism.

• There is a strong overlap in interests, for example the No-U Movement, but also with the Nipponese Dog Calvero, for example here.

• User "NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh" has hunted many Musée Annam socks, yet they seemed to be willing to help Daeva Trạc. I've yet to see Musée Annam interact positively or neutrally with NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, let alone ask them for advice.

• Daeva Trạc's idiosyncratic sourcing found here and here is not something I've ever seen any other user do, ironically this is kind of the opposite of how Musée Annam sources content (as they typically refuse to add sources).

• Musée Annam uses FPT Telecom and almost always from either Hanoi or Haiphong, Daeva Trạc doesn't use FPT Telecom (according to them). I am sure that an actual CheckUser can verify that Daeva Trạc's "digital signature" is different from Musée Annam's.

There is more evidence but I haven't taken the time to go into all of it. I don't think that Daeva Trạc is Unserefahne (local Enwiki name for the LTA), Unserefahne behaves very different and they rarely, if ever, try to appeal to anyone. I don't even think that I've ever seen Unserefahne appeal a block, they just immediately jump to a new account. --Donald Trung (talk) 21:02, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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I assume that this was an accident. --Donald Trung (talk) 21:02, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Daeva_Trạc They compare you with Unserefahne because of your interest in fictional flags, adding them to infoboxes, and other overlapping interests. Nobody has claimed that you've acted antagonistic towards any editors. So the fact that you've never insulted or sexually harassed anyone isn't something you should be focusing on, just your overlapping interests. --Donald Trung (talk) 21:09, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Donald Trung but the main reason they used such strong words to me is because they think I am him. They hate everything C did and since I am being accused as him, they now put all their anger to me:( Daeva Trạc (talk) 21:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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