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Abstrakt Intellekt

Welcome and sorry about your article being nearly deleted. Unfortunately, many Wikipedians are quite demanding when it comes to new pages, and they seem not to realize that new users will not be familiar with Wikipedia's (very) complex policies on content. Anyway, I'd like to help you get the article up to snuff, but I'll need your help to do that. The first thing we need is sources. You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge about the group; would you happen to know if there have been any articles written about them, or if there are any other sources we can use for the claims made in the article? Unfortunately, without sources the claims will have to be removed, and I'd like to avoid that as much as (I presume) you do. Throwaway85 (talk) 02:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I do, and I would like to get this handled correctly before I start my next group page. I hope to be a Detroit music historian contributor.

Now the claims in question?

Signing to Mike E Clarks label? The album is noted in his discography, and available all over the net. I published the GO and DO newsletter, although I dont know if I cited it correctly. Can you look into that? I also have a picture that I took when I seen them live, and interviewed them for my music blog to upload to the artist box. I also have another large article for the record, but Im not sure if its available online. Can I scan that and add it to the page? Also all these albums in the discography are available online. If you can point me in the direction of the particular claims that need validation...i will begin citing or removing them. Their was another claim that I omitted, that this group was the first hip hop group ever to sign a record contract from their area, but I had no way of verifing that.

I appreciate your help, this will make my next contribution more thourough.

also If I can still contact the group to verify some of this info...can I use that as a citation? Dariusszabo (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help out. For citations, the most important policy to keep in mind is WP:RS, which states that only reliable, secondary sources may be used to verify claims. Thus anything printed by reliable sources not connected to the artists would be acceptable. Check out WP:RS for what counts as reliable, and if you have any questions about specific sources I'll be happy to help. I'll also be happy to check your citations for you. Pictures are a bit dicey on Wikipedia, as copyright is the biggest issue. If you took the photos yourself and are willing to release it under the creative commons license, then you should be fine. I've got a stats midterm to write, but I'll be back in a couple hours to take a closer look at the article. Thanks, Throwaway85 (talk) 19:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I have been connecting everything I can find on the net to this page. Like live show verifications., Tracklising, features and discography, I have also found links some of the actual items being available for download.

I do own the picture and i uploaded it, Im just not sure how to put it in the artist box.

Also I do have a in depth print article from one of my local music magazines that will verify most of the rest of the things in question. Should I upload that and add it to wikipedia?

I appreciate your help. I dont want to start my next one until this one is 100%

Dariusszabo (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

For print magazines there's no need to upload, simply reference it as you would a journal. So, after the claim you want to cite, write {{cite journal |last=Fowler |first=Martin |authorlink=Martin Fowler |coauthors=Kent Beck |title=Last Testimony of Sister Emma |journal=The Saints' Herald |volume=26 |year=1879 |month=October |pages=289}} or whatever, depending on the specifics of the magazine. If you'd like to give me the info I'd be happy to write the citation. As for the citations that are there, we can't include search results. As for the juggalo news site that it pointed to, it's pretty iffy as far as reliability goes. In order for a source to be reliable, it has to have a reputation for editorial oversight. Thus Wikipedia is not a reliable source, nor is the Huffington Post for many claims. You can always ask the community if they think a particular site passes the test at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. The other issue with the juggalo news site is that my browser is throwing malware warnings at me, so I'd be hesitant to visit it. Unfortunately, the skrillagorilla link doesn't cut it as it appears to point to an online profile, not a reliable publication. Similarly, the protekted records page could only be used if it spoke about the signing of AI. It's not enough to merely point at the organization in question; we need to cite each claim by pointing to a reliable source that makes that claim. For rap artists, articles in magazines like Vibe and The Source would be the best sources to get information from. For simple things like a discography, merely pointing to an artist's personal website is fine. So too are primary sources okay for simple biographical details -- "We're from Detroit, we got together in 20XX" on a personal page would be a fine source for "AI is a rap group from Detroit that formed in 20XX", but if they claimed they were one of the most critically acclaimed underground groups, you'd have to find a secondary source that said that. So the suicide.org link is a good one, as it lists AI as members, but the tripod link isn't, as it's not a source with a reputation for editorial oversight. Similarly, we can't simply link to youtube to support the claim that their new group is called The Prime Eights. We should also avoid Amazon listings, as that can be easily seen to be promotional. Track listings themselves don't need to be sourced (but also don't belong on the page about the artist), and we should try to get release dates for the albums and whatnot elsewhere. Allmusic seems to be good for that. I'll poke around and see if I can find some better sources. Throwaway85 (talk) 22:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks-

All redo these citations this week. I appreciate your help poking around for other sources. This magazine article with take the place of many of these search results. Ill get this together in a couple days.

Dariusszabo (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I did find this link of a online interview with the group...

This is the most reputable site for detroit rap and hip hop info....is this a sufficiant base for alot of these questions?

Dariusszabo (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Interviews are good, but we have to be careful about the claims we source to them. The best sources are secondary sources that are unconnected with the subject. Also, it appears as though some of the sources you have added have broken links. We need to link to the exact page in question. So, instead of linking to www.detroitrap.com, we'd link to www.detroitrap.com/interview_with_abstrakt_intellekt, or somesuch. Sorry I've been absent the past week, I'l try to be ore helpful. Throwaway85 (talk) 06:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you make sure this citation is correct? Berry, Jeff (2005). "Fear and Loating in the Music Business". The Record. I, ISSUE V: 5. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Thanks!

Dariusszabo (talk) 14:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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