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– the WikiProject Medicine team Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:28, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Late term abortions

Are NOT the same as second trimester abortions. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

This is not a suitable source http://laterabortion.org/ Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:31, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Doc James Yes, the point I was trying to make is that there is no medical consensus on exactly what constitutes a "late" abortion. Some say "mid" second trimester, others say third trimester, others say "late" third trimester. Maybe best to clarify that there isn't consensus? DataNerdMPH (talk) 22:50, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Ref

Were does the ref says this [1]

Please provide an exact quote. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:34, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Doc JamesThanks for catching this mistake - the number should've been changed. In the article, it states: "In 2014, a total of 1,671 facilities provided at least one abortion." DataNerdMPH (talk) 22:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your edits to late termination of pregnancy. I think you have some good material to add, and I appreciate the work you're putting into improving the page. Wikipedia is a weird place and a lot of things don't necessarily make sense upfront. The sourcing criteria are particularly strict (or byzantine, depending on your point of view) when it comes to medical material, for better or worse. I hope you stick around and keep editing, and let me know if I can be of assistance. Take care. MastCell ^Talk 00:36, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Note on feedback

Hi DataNerdMPH, just wanted to note that I don't think I'll be able to provide you the same structure of feedback as some of your peers, given that you're mostly working in mainspace and are already working collaboratively with other Wikipedians. If you'd ever like feedback on content before proposing a change, let me know. Otherwise, keep up the good work! You continue to be one of the most prolific contributors of this cohort :) Elysia (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Self-induced abortion

I don't understand why you thought to remove the sourced list of methods that are historically recorded as having been attempted for the purpose of inducing an abortion. This is not intended to be an article describing medical procedures, but specifically including non-medical procedures used by individuals in personal efforts to self-medicate. Removing this information would be like removing gunshots and hanging from the list of methods people use to commit suicide because they are not medical techniques. You are welcome to add information to the article, but please do not remove anything that is sourced. bd2412 T 18:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

BD2412, I removed information that referenced historically recorded methods from one country. That is not appropriate for a general use page. If you'd like to put it back, please contextualize it with data from many other countries as well. This article is intended to cover self-induced abortion of all types, and the most rigorous research says that today that means medication abortion, the majority of the time. I cited systematic reviews and reserve the right to remove any sourced material that doesn't meet scientific standards. DataNerdMPH (talk) 20:03, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

If you remove sourced content from an article, I reserve the right to block you for vandalism. Also, I shouldn't have to tell you that you are not permitted to delete talk page comments by other editors. bd2412 T 20:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

BD2412, If I deleted a talk page comment from an editor, that was a complete mistake. I'm sorry for that. So it is not acceptable to delete sourced content from a page, even if that content is inaccurate? DataNerdMPH (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

There is no question that it has accurately been historically reported that these various methods have been attempted. We have entire articles detailing such attempts - Gerri Santoro, Abortion trial of Emily Stowe. Although WP:MEDRES does not apply to the historical fact, it would probably not take much searching to find published medical articles disclosing the use or attempted use of knitting needles and other sharp objects, abdominal blows, various specific exercises, or ingestion or douching with specific substances, to induce abortions without medical aid. The wire coat hanger has long been a symbol of the abortion movement because of its use to perform self-abortions. It would be historically irresponsible to leave out mention of these things. bd2412 T 20:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

BD2412, BD2412, I agree that it would be historically irresponsible, and that these methods belong in the history section. They are not nearly as commonly used now as they were decades ago, such as the cases you cite. DataNerdMPH (talk) 00:34, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I have no problem assigning these to the history section. Do we really have information on how often women now use specific illegal methods without medical supervision? bd2412 T 02:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)