David G Britton

Translating Tintin into English

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! The reason your edits to The Adventures of Tintin were reverted twice is because information such as what you added requires a reliable source. I kept your addition this time, but added the tag that states a reliable source is needed. Would it be possible for you to research this and provide the correct source? It is also important to log in to Wikipedia before editing. FYI: You had been spelling "Tintin" incorrectly and we do not refer to Thomson and Thompson as twins. Let me know if you needed help editing Wikipedia. —Prhartcom (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your response to my note regarding The Adventures of Tintin article. Again, allow me to welcome you to the world of editing Wikipedia (check out the Wikipedia Manual of Style). That is quite exciting to hear that you have original magazine issues showing most likely the very first case of Tintin's published translation into English. I see your point when you say the sentences you added contain dates and issue numbers and therefore appear to contain all of the citation required. It is a little more complicated than that, however. Allow me to show you two of the rules of Wikipedia that we, as editors, must follow: 1) Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, and 2) Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. That means that to add new information to an article (especially an article which has had so many expert editors working on it that it has achieved Featured Article status) it must be information that has first been published somewhere else, like a book or magazine or website about Tintin. It cannot be information that we have researched, written, or know about ourselves. For example, if we were to contact the local Tintin historian and invite him to view your collection of EAGLE magazines and inspire him to write a story about it in his local newspaper, we can then summarize lines from his newspaper article in Wikipedia and properly reference it. But sadly we can't just write the lines in Wikipedia about something we know that has never been published.

After reverting your edit twice (and leaving brief comments on the history page both [1] times [2]), I have decided to keep your original research in the article against my better judgment. But this information really needs reference to a reliable source. Until then, someone else may come along and revert it.

—Prhartcom (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Returning to the issue of providing supporting documentation on "Translating Tintin into English" an article by Howard Corn was published in Eagle Times Magazine Vol:2 No.4 - Christmas Issue 1989. It confirms my contribution to Wikipedia as accurate and provides significantly more information on the process, adaptation of the story, editing, cropping and colouring of frames to meet the format in Eagle. This is the first time that "Dupont et Dupond" were translated as "Thompson & Thomson" a translation that was adopted by Methuen in 1958. Also in the Eagle version, several of the French terms were retained such as "toc-toc-toc" instead of the later "rat-tat-tat". Throughout this early translation in the frames he is referred to as Tin Tin even though the banner headline for the strip clearly shows it as "The Adventures of Tintin". There is a lot more information in the article but I hope that what I have now provided is sufficient to meet the requirements of a citation. Best regards David G Britton

I wonder if a book or magazine or website has already published information about Tintin's 1951 appearance in EAGLE magazine? I would not be surprised. If so, perhaps you can do some research and find it and reference it? —Prhartcom (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Your points are well taken. Although I may disagree with some of your observations about reliability, the terms for revisions are quite clear. I will endeavour to find further sources or references that will meet your requirements and put your mind at rest on the veracity of my editing. Best regards David G Britton David G Britton (talk) 19:25, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello David, I only just now noticed you have found the appropriate reference needed! This is exciting; let's add it immediately. I assume you need help doing so. Here is some excellent Wikipeida help that should tell you what to do.

For example, I hope you can immediately edit the The Adventures of Tintin#Translation into English section and replace the "" I had added there with something like: <ref> Howard Corn. ''Eagle Times'' magazine. Vol:2 No.4 - Christmas Issue 1989.</ref>

P.S.: You can sign your posts with four tildes, like this: ~~~~ —Prhartcom (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC)