David hewick

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Dovaston image

It's more convenient to continue the discussion here but I think I need to see the image on the newspaper page to help with the "is it a commercial image?" question. If you have the page in question email it to me via the "Email this user" function in the left hand column on my user page so I can have a look. Nthep (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I have a scan of the newspaper article and a cropped photo from it. The reference is No 4 in my article and has the title below. "Notabilities.No.-10. Miss Margaret Dovaston, RBA". Middlesex County Times. March 10, 1928. p. 8. Ealing Public Library, London, England.

It is not a obituary, as I mistakenly said, but one of a series about interesting local personalities. Normally, I would be able to attach the photo/scan to an email, but it is not clear how the Email this user facility allows this. I have tried copying but that seems not to work. Can you help?

Hello N, This is just to inform you that I have now submitted the article for review (without pictures, as suggested by another editor)and it is now on the draft namespace. Apart from the photo already discussed, I have requested permission (email to auction house) to use some photos of paintings from a recent on-line auction catalogue. In addition, I have requested (email to RA Photographic Library) to use a photo of a 1906 group of RA students from the Royal Academy collection. This is accessed via http://www.racollection.org.uk and putting Dovaston in the search box. Under the photo it says (c) Out of copyright. I can copy the photo, but not the very interesting information about the photo on the same page. Do I actually need permission to use the photo? What about the caption?

Hello Ntep, I have now received a reply from the RA regarding the 1906 group photo as follows.

Yes you may use this photo for your article, but we do ask that it’s a low resolution image only, you can upload the image off our website.

http://www.racollection.org.uk/ixbin/indexplus?_IXSR_=lPmxLVa_3ni&_IXSP_=0&_MREF_=100564&_IXSS_=%252asform%3d%252fsearch_form%252fallform%26_IXresults_%3dy%26exhibitions%3dtrue%26_IXACTION_%3dquery%26all_fields%3dDOVASTON%26archives%3dtrue%26_IX%252ey%3d0%26books%3dtrue%26_IX%252ex%3d0%26works%3dtrue%26_IXMAXHITS_%3d18%26_IXTRAIL_%3dSearch%2bResults&_IXACTION_=display&_IXSPFX_=templates/full/&_IXTRAIL_=Search%20Results

Please can you include our credit:

Photo credit: © Royal Academy of Arts, London

So 1 of the pictures should be free work' (I took the photo myself in the end) , for another I have permission from the RA (this has to be explained to Wikimedia?), and the third is classified as Fair Use of a non-free work. You said that you would upload the latter if the article gets moved to the mainspace. I would also appreciate your help with uploading the others if the article is accepted.

DavidHDavid hewick (talk) 17:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

David HDavid hewick (talk) 16:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

DavidHDavid hewick (talk) 19:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

check your emails. Nthep (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

January 2017

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Margaret Dovaston, from its old location at User:David hewick/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 14:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Margaret Dovaston has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Margaret Dovaston. Thanks! Smmurphy^(Talk) 22:42, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I have used primary sources as information on the secondary sources was incorrect.

David HDavid hewick (talk) 08:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Margaret Dovaston has been accepted

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MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:17, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Matthew. I will consider how to improve the article in future.David hewick (talk) 06:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting the article published to main space. I've uploaded and added the image of Margaret from 1928 but I'm having issues with the other two. The image from 1906 is probably out of copyright in the UK but not in the US, therefore it would have t be uploaded as fair use and with another fair use image in the article starts to fall foul of the non-free content criteria. The shot of her work isn't copyright free either - you can licence your photo - but as Margaret only died in 1954 the picture in the photo isn't out of copyright until 2025 so again would have to be uploaded as fair use with the same issues as already described. Nthep (talk) 20:24, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Nthep. Your expert knowledge on the arcane subject of Wikipedia and copyright has been of great help. Regarding the fair use image that you kindly uploaded for me, would it be of any value to indicate that it was sourced from Reference 4 (a newspaper article)? This would perhaps indicate the reason for the poor quality.David hewick (talk) 07:02, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Dear Nthep

I see the image source information is given in the detailed application justifying fair use. My query has therefore been answered. Thank you for the significant amount of work you did on this.

Another query: if a person took a photo of an art work that they owned (but say it was produced by someone who died 50 years ago) and wanted to put the photo in their Wikipedia article, would they still be unable to submit it under the free use category?David hewick (talk) 10:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

David, if you take a photo of a piece of art that you own, then you own the copyright of the photo and can licence that as you wish. However the artwork you photographed will still be in UK copyright unless the artist died prior to 1 January 1947 so only fair use could apply to an upload. If this is a picture of one of Margaret's works then an upload starts falling foul of other parts of the WP:NFCC namely 3a and 8. You can't use the image solely for decoration, there would have to be sourced critical commentary of the piece concerned in the article to justify its inclusion. Nthep (talk) 19:27, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Nthep. Once again your help has been greatly appreciated.David hewick (talk) 19:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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