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David,

Did you send me a message?

When I click on the link in the email, it does not take me to your message.

I have an email:

jroehl2@yahoo.com

If you could relay it there.

Thanks

Jeff

Jroehl (talk) 21:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jroehl: I did not send you an email, but you might have received a notification from Wikipedia's notification system that said I did when I edited your talk page to insert {{reflist-talk}} so the reference shows up "in-line" on your talk page.[1] You may edit out your email address above for privacy reasons if you wish. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, David, I do not know what "insert

References

" means. But if it is helpful, then I salute you! Jroehl (talk) 21:53, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jroehl: Compare how the bottom section of your talk page looked before I made the edit and how it looked after.

Notice how in the "before" version, there is a reference that looks like "1 ^ Rahimi, Afshin. "Massively Multilingual" at the bottom? That is there because Araesmojo included a "reference" in his message dated 19:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

When I added the {{reflist-talk}} template to the page, the reference "moved up" to where I inserted the template, and it was formatted according to the format shown at Template:reflist-talk instead of the normal formatting.

Had I done nothing, Araesmojo's reference would always be displayed at the bottom of your talk page, even after many more messages are added. By using "reflist talk" I've made it so the reference will always be displayed right below the message in which it was used.

By the way, it was years after "reflist-talk" was created before I became aware of it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, I appreciate your efforts and that you explained that to me.

Jroehl (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Answering your question

You asked me if i wanted to delete three files that I blanked. My answer is yes. How do i do it? Two of those i thought were free of copyright but i'm in doubt now. The other I discovered is a replica of another file on wikicommons. Also they were of low quality, are covered by other wikicommons files, and the name of the files is not very appropriate. Basically i did a mistake in uploading them. I blanked them. Can you delete them? Barjimoa (talk) 02:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I continued this discussion where it started, at commons:User talk:Barjimoa#Self-blanking (permalink). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding COI- Article: Bangalore Sisters

My Article Bangalore Sisters is the biography of a musical duo, who are my family members-my mother and my aunt. The information I have provided in my article is authentic. Please help me if there is anything else I am missing. ShravanthiRK (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Shravanthirk, 23rd Oct 2020

@ShravanthiRK: I will continue this conversation where it started, on your talk page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-44

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• You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on October 27 around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [2]
• Last week, links to "diffs" from mobile watchlists and recentchanges were linking to page-revisions instead of diffs. This has now been fixed. [3]

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17:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank You for helping me

I am grateful that you gave me your thoughts on my article. I have decided to do as you told me and concentrate on wider topics. But I am still ready to risk my time on the present article as I don't want to regret my hard work went to waste just because, I gave up early--Atlantis77177 (talk) 04:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I did not understand

What is the second comment you wrote in my aticle. Sorry, but I couldn't understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atlantis77177 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

If you mean this, it is because a page on this topic has been deleted twice on notability grounds already, both times in the fairly recent past. Therefore, I don't want to make the decision to restore it unilaterally. An administrator can look at the deleted version and say "yeah, the references are a lot different" or another AFC editor can come by and say "I agree, even without seeing the old version, there are at least a couple references in the new one that look solid." That, plus some confirmation from experienced editors on WikiProject India that can say that either the topic itself is clearly notable or that the references that provide significant coverage are reliable and independent, should be enough to allow the page to be moved without it being immediately nominated for deletion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Atlantis77177: P.S. please "sign" your messages by putting ~~~~ at the end of them. Thank you. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Delta co. deleting

Hi David, Thanks for your comment, Can you please explain what's the problem with my article Delta co Because I didn't understand why it not published, Thanks Eng ali.t (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Eng ali.t: First, you never submitted it. Please put read Help:Your first article to make sure the draft is suitable for Wikipedia.

To be honest though, the main problem is probably not with your submission. The main problem is probably with the company itself. BY FAR, MOST companies are simply not "notable" enough to qualify for an article in the English Wikipedia. If you write an article about a non-notable company, it will likely be deleted fairly quickly. See WP:Deletion for details. Also, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID before editing further. To the extent that either one applies to you, please follow those instructions.

If the company is indeed notable enough to qualify for an article, then add a few (not a lot!) of suitable sources. See WP:SIGCOV, WP:IS, and WP:RS to get an idea of what references are suitable and what are not. See WP:Citing sources for ways to use them. As a general rule, publications which just talk about what the company wants them to say don't "count" for the initial "notability" assessment. Neither do blogs or web sites that "anyone can edit." This means the company web site, almost all blogs, almost all "industry publications" that are not of interest to the general public, as well as almost all "financial information" publications should be ignored when assessing if a company meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Reviewers are looking for evidence that the company has been "noticed" by others in a way that is neither "routine" such as you might find in "industry publications" or "financial information" publications, nor is it published "at the behest of the company" or "with the involvement of the company" such as a "warmed over press release." As reviewers, we are also looking for "significant coverage" not just a mere mention or paragraph. The links I pointed you to above explain this in much more detail.

IF - and only if - the company is notable by Wikidia standards, take the time to add suitable sources. Once you have done that, do some general cleanup, such as removing anything that sounds "promotional" or "non-encyclopedic" in tone. In particular, read WP:External links to make sure your external links are suitable. Remove any that are not. Finally, go to WP:Articles for creation and follow the instructions there. The most important thing is to make it easy for a reviewer to look at a small number of references and say "yeah, those references are suitable, and after reading them, I'm convinced the company meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, now I can do a proper review of the submission itself." Oh, one more thing, please at least skim through the rest of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines especially those that deal with content. In particular, don't violate the rules on copyrights and be careful of close paraphrasing. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Karikku

I apologize if I am disturbing you, but I was anxious to know the review result of my article Draft:Karikku. You informed me that you are reviewing it, and since then there has been no comment. I just wished to know, whether it would take time. If so, I am ready to be patient about it. Have a good day.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 08:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

See the query I just added to Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#I need a notability check here (diff). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you for helping me edit my article Atlantis77177 (talk) 04:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	This boi has help me with my first wiki article Josexgoz11 (talk) 01:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks mate

Thank you for helping me with my first Wiki article, im a bit to wikipedia article making mostly making minor edits and making maps, but I want to help you for helping my Chilean Cent. Josexgoz11 (talk) 01:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Josexgoz11: You are welcome. I still think it should be merged with Chilean peso but that is a decision for the community to come to. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Technical textile

Hello davidwr, You helped me in the case of Bourette. May I ask you to visit the subject page, I have added some references from the book[[7]].

• ISBN: 9789385059896; Title: Agro Textiles and Its Applications; Author: Grace Annapoorani; 2018 Imprint: Woodhead Publishing India. Kindly advise if this book is a reliable source. Best regardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 11:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@RAJIVVASUDEV: That looks like a reliable source for its subject matter. Academic books on "non-controversial" topics which don't "push an agenda" usually are.

Note that if you use the same source twice on a page, you should name your references so they are combined at the bottom of the page. You do it like this:

Cotton is a plant.<ref name=fiber>{{cite book|title=Textiles from plants (fake book)|year=1901|last=Doe|first=John}}</ref> So is hemp.<ref name=fiber />.

which renders as:

Cotton is a plant. So is hemp.

References

You might want to go back to the pages where you cited this book more than once and run those pages through the tool described at WP:REFILL. This will automatically combine identical references. It won't help if the page numbers are different though, so it only has a limited effect on articles like Technical textile where almost every use is a different page. You can also use the WP:REFILL tool, but I had problems with it earlier today so it may not be working well today. I have already updated Technical textile for you.

If you have any other questions about whether a source is a reliable source, see WP:Reliable sources. If that doesn't answer your question, visit the WikiProjects listed at the top of the talk page of the article you want to edit and read to see if there is any information there about what is and is not a reliable source for that topic. If you still aren't sure, you can ask on the talk page of one of the WikiProjects. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

davidwr Well noted, all! I am grateful to you for such a reasonable explanation for everything I asked. I did that way because the page numbers were different in a few cases, but I will try as you suggested from now on. Please accept my sincere thanks and regards.RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 01:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for clarifying the comment and helping clarify the guild lines as well, i will look more into it. This is my first page so I'm trying to learn about credible sources still. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louisalexandre2 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank You for helping me

I whole-heartedly yhank you for accepting my article. But I have 1 final issue. When I opened the Karikku wikipedia from google, its delete discusssion appears rather than my article. Please help.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 03:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

The ways of Google are a black box, sorry. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for always continuing to guide me to improve my article Atlantis77177 (talk) 05:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-45

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• You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser uses very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It could lead to downgrade attacks. Since October 29, 2020, users who use old TLS versions will not be able to connect to Wikimedia projects. A list of browser recommendations is available. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [8]
• There is a new automatic tracking category available: Pages with non-numeric formatnum arguments. It collects pages which use the {{formatnum}} parser function with invalid (non-numeric) input, e.g. {{formatnum:TECHNEWS}}. Note that {{formatnum:123,456}} is also invalid input: as described in the documentation, the argument should be unformatted so that it can be reliably and correctly localised. The tracking category will help identify problematic usage and double-formatting. The new tracking category's name can be translated at translatewiki. [9]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 3. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 4. It will be on all wikis from November 5 (calendar).
• Administrators and stewards will be able to use a special page (Special:CreateLocalAccount) to force local account creation for a global account. This is useful when account creation is blocked for that user (by a block or a filter). [10]
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Future changes

• A discussion has been restarted about using a Unicode minus sign (− U+2212) in the output of {{formatnum}} when it is given a negative argument. [12]
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16:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Dragon Ball family tree collapsible Notes

I noticed that the collapsible note section has a problem with title-changed links when the table is viewed on the individual character pages? Cassandra872 (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I've undone my change, there's some technical issue at work here that I don't understand well. I'll need to fix it up in the template's sandbox. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

OK the technical issue has to do with the translation template being used within a wikilink. I've explained it more at Template talk:Dragon Ball family tree, including a work-around that you can do yourself. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hyogo Prefectural Kobe High School

Hi Davidwr, I don't think the above school is ready for mainspace just yet, the majority of sources in that article come from the alumni section? Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:53, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it's not the best and it needs improvement, but this is one of those cases where if it's not moved, it might die a G13 and I have every reason to believe it's at least as notable as your average American High School. That's not a 100% guarantee that it would pass AFD but it's well above 50/50. Also, and probably more importantly, I think the visibility of being in the main encyclopedia will get more attention and faster improvement than if it stayed in Draft: space. That said, if you want to discuss this on the AFD talk page, I will listen to what everyone has to say. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

True, but don't forget WP:NSCHOOL and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. The problem Wikipedia has at the moment is there are lots and lots of stub school articles with a paragraph or two, either a few sources or no sources that have remained the same for years. If a school article is deleted per G13, it's not a big deal as it can always be recreated again in future or it can be requested for undeletion. Anyway, I'll do some cleanup on it Steven (Editor) (talk) 05:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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• From November 16 the categories will not be sorted in order for a short time. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the internationalisation library. They will use a script to fix the existing categories. This can take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more. [14][15]

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15:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Report

This discussion is closed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Support. 180.247.192.254 user has been DISRUPTIVE! Please help me to report it. Thank you. Ianpaulguerrero (talk) 18:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Shawntheshipper (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) & Ianpaulguerrero (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) are both sucked puppetry accounts Shawntheshipper You're being annoying by reverting and deleting legitimate references there and you're currently on edit warring with so many users. As you did here, you're reverting everyone edits HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and many more... Stop reverting everyone's edit, you're being non-sense and content removal by deleting reliable sources is inappropriate Arabiya Sundall page isn't even your own page, everyone has the right to edits but yours are too disruptive and changing newly updated legitimate sources with an small local TV channel blog isn't accepted, even CNA article aren't legitimate sources sometimes you should also check the actual date released of the news.180.247.192.254 (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC) **socked puppet account: Youre also involved in socked puppet account with Ianpaulguerrero based on your edit comment this 2 user are identical and came from the same IP Addrress that suspected with vandalism acts on Rabiya Sundall Mateo history page. HERE & HERE their edits comment using CAPSLOCK isn't appropriate and polite behaviour. socked puppet facts: This 2 accounts (Shawntheshipper & Ianpaulguerrero) are both commenting at the same concern and it happens at the same times to the Callanecc, I Nyoman Gede Anila, Materialscientist talk page!! and reverting all the edits made by other users, this 2 users (Shawntheshipper & User:Ianpaulguerrero) are really suspicious. 180.247.192.254 (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Both of you, and anyone else involved in this: I am staying out of this. Here is some general advice that all Wikipedia editors should be aware of: Please read Wikipedia:Canvassing, Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, and Wikipedia:Civility, and the essay Wikipedia:Don't shoot yourself in the foot. Don't let someone else's actual or perceived bad behavior cause you to say anything that you might regret later. I am archiving this topic, please do not continue this discussion here. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Your email

Sorry, I do not respond to emails from editors I am not familiar with. I won't be requesting revision deletion as my edit contains no personal information or information about a publicly available ticket number. As an OTRS agent, I can, however say that the ticket is highly relevant to the conversation in question. I suggest you take a step back from the conversation and lecturing though. Praxidicae (talk) 01:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Re: User blocked on Spanish Wikipedia

Hi David, in Spanish Wikipedia we do not accept "deliberately confusing usernames: making it difficult to identify the user by their username:/ Usernames that consist of a confusing or random sequence of characters, e.g. "Ghfjkghdfjgkdhfjkg" or "aaaaaaaaaaaa"." MadriCR (talk) 18:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@MadriCR: Thanks. I'm glad it wasn't something that would need to be blocked here, like a promotional username or anything like that. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:50, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Elisabeth Kendall

My earlier edit didn't seem to work, so I'm trying again! Thanks for your message pointing out an earlier submission (that was declined). I think my version has more references, but I can provide a couple more if necessary. I don't know who the earlier article writer is (snowhume) - but he/she does not seem to be available to contact re. collaboration. So I'm not sure how to proceed? Thanks. Academiskool (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Academiskool: Collaboration usually happens on discussion pages. You can type {{ping|snowhume}} on the talk page of the draft you want to work on inviting that editor to reply. Or, you can put a note on that editor's user talk page, then check it once a day or so for replies. When replying in an ongoing discussion that is NOT on the other user's talk page, you can use {{re|snowhume}} instead of {{ping|snowhume}}, they do basically the same thing. You probably noticed the "notification" you received letting you know about my message to you here. That is because I started it with :{{re|Academiskool}} (the colon was just to indent, {{re}} did all the magic). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll give it a go! Academiskool (talk) 19:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Long ago, Delta Lodge/Fry Street Fair

I stumbled into this via an apparently unrelated Delta Lodge; however, that link along with Fry Street Fair both redirect to Denton, Texas and you seem to have had something to do with all of it (link to your edit here) in 2009. I'm not familiar enough with 'merge' and such -- and frankly just didn't dig in deeply enough -- to understand what you did but do know that now neither subject has any content referring to them, respectively, in the Denton article. There do seem to be a good many references around the encyclopedia to various Delta Lodges; I haven't gone further in that direction yet. In Denton, before de-redirecting, as it were, I thought I'd check with you. Cheers and thanks in advance for any light you may be able to shed. Swliv (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Swliv: Fry Street Fair (last non-redirect revision) used to have an entire section in Denton, Texas (diff of "bold merge"). That was gradually reduced over time. The fair hasn't been held in over a decade. Delta Lodge (last non-redirect revision) put on the Fry Street Fair.

I attempted to start a discussion back in early 2009, but it didn't go anywhere, see Talk:Denton, Texas#Fry Street Fair and Delta Lodge merger proposal.

If your intent is to re-vitalize one or both articles as they were, but updated, feel free to restore the page to the last pre-redirect version. Just know that I turned them into a redirect because even back in January 2009, I thought they would be vulnerable to deletion if they were sent to WP:AFD.

If your intent is to use the title for a different topic, please move the existing redirect to another page, perhaps Fry Street Fair (Denton, Texas) or Delta Lodge (Denton, Texas) first. This is because both pages have page histories which should be kept for use in expanding Denton, Texas. Be sure to fix any incoming links (other than on archived discussions of course) and put a hatnote on the top if the "new" version so people looking at old discussions who wind up at the "wrong" place know where to go. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:47, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft of article on Elisabeth Kendall

I don't know how to "cause relation" of two independent drafts on the same subject, according to the methods of Wikipedia. Please "cannibalize" whatever you can find on my draft that is useful and appropriate to your draft.

I think that I was pretty aggressive in searching when I was on Twitter, and I just don't know of any "academic media figure" other than Professor KENDALL who is speaking about Yemen. I intend to find out if there is some kind of rating system for academic figures who appear in the media, and see if she has any kind of such rating. If I am successful, I will immediately provide that information to you, so that you can improve your draft's chances of success of acceptance.

The "Holy Grail" for this particular article would be some published comment by a regional specialist (perhaps with an NGO or with some government) that identifies Professor KENDALL as "the intellectual successor to R. B. SERJEANT," because really, that is what she is. Amazingly, they ended up affiliated with two different OxBridge colleges named "Pembroke"!

Thank you for your attention to these matters. WSH — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowhume (talk • contribs) 04:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Academiskool: Snowhume left this message on my talk page, I think it was intended for you, as you are the one who has interest in this topic. Please consider continuing this conversation on either one of your own talk pages or the talk pages of one of the drafts. {{ping}} and {{re}} are useful for getting the attention of someone when posting to a talk page other than that person's own talk page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 13:19, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for this, that's helpful. Academiskool (talk) 22:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Birthdate

Birthdate concern CCstrong (talk) 03:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!

thanks for your feedback on my Draft article. that was very helpful. I'm still in challenge with learning  about Wikipedia and the area but i try my best. It's a lot of information!

Azadeh behi87 (talk) 11:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Ilias Ali (Indian politician)

Went through and did a major overhaul and added verifiable references. As a result I have moved it to the mainspace. Yes there does appear to be a COI issue with the article's creator however given that I have effectively re-written the article there should be no lingering issues. Dan arndt (talk) 08:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Dan arndt: Thank you. Part of the reason Draft: exists is for COI editors. I just wish they would declare themselves. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-47

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• Listings on category pages are sorted on each wiki for that language using a library. For a brief period on 16 November, changes to categories will not be sorted correctly for most languages. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the library. They will then use a script to fix the existing categories. This will take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more. [16][17]

Changes later this week

• If you merged two pages in a namespace where pages can't redirect this used to break the merge history. This will now be fixed. [18]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 November. It will be on all wikis from 19 November (calendar).

Future changes

• The Community Wishlist Survey is now open for proposals. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals from 16 to 30 November. You can vote on proposals from 8 December to 21 December.

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15:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Karikku (17 November)

Please visit Talk:Karikku. A user has said that I have COI, for no valid reason. Its been over 2 weeks after the article was accepted, and you can see that all I did was keep a watch on the page. I am just a normal person in 35 million people of Kerala and have practically no connection with the Kariku group. If you visit my talk page, the same editor left a message,[19] and reason doesn't sound valid to to me. He quoted some words I said in [20]. Please reply on what are the steps I should take.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 05:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Since I was the person who declared your COI on Karikku page, you should have first discussed the matter with me rather than going here and there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Atlantis77177#Conflict_of_Interest. Please ee this. I declared your COI with a valid reason. You already said you have a personal interest with Karikku. So it is better to declare COI. Please read WP:COI. Thankyou Shahoodu (talk) 06:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Atlantis77177 and Shahoodu: You are both adults (if you aren't, take that as a compliment). Please take this to one of your own talk pages.

I will give you both some general advice: WP:Assume good faith works wonders around here. We are people. We sometimes make mistakes in judgement. Looking at the specifics of this case, I can see a reasonable editor looking at both the COI guideline and [21] and concluding - accurately or not - that there is a COI. I can also see a reasonable editor coming to the opposite conclusion.

The COI guideline is intended to both protect Wikipedia and its readers and - this may be more subtle than overt - it's meant to invite all editors to "look in the mirror" and say "do I have any investment, financial, emotional, or otherwise, that might lead to unintentional biased editing." The answer is in most cases "yes" even if it is "only a little." It's also an invitation to look in the mirror and say to yourself "what do I need to do to recognize my biases and counter-act them, so that I am writing with a WP:Neutral point of view."

Because of this, I generally avoid writing about my high school alma mater, cities I've lived in recently or which I have an "emotional attachment" to, sports teams I root for, employers I've worked for, and other things where I know I have a noticeable bias. When I do edit on those topics, I take extra care to make sure I'm not introducing my personal bias. When I was new on Wikipedia, I was much more interested in "writing about what I knew" and, well, let's just say my writing was a lot less neutral back then, even if I didn't realize it at the time.

At the same time, the COI guideline is not a "bully stick" to use against editors who are operating in that "grey area" of "some emotional investment" but which falls short of a clear-cut "I'm writing about my brother" or "... my employer" or "... the town where my brother is the Mayor" situations. In such situations, a much softer approach, thanking the editor for his interest in improving the Encyclopedia, while cautioning him to take care to remain neutral, is more effective. Sometimes the most effective thing is to just look for signs of biased editing and re-word them to be neutral, without raising the issue of "COI" at all. Just to avoid mis-interpretation by others reading this, Wikipedia polices, guidelines, and essays are NOT intended to be "bully sticks" against good-faith editors at all.

Again, please move this conversation to one or both of your talk pages. I'm sure you can work this out between yourselves. If you are tempted to take this to a forum like WP:ANI, I recommend against it except as a last result: Usually in cases like this, where both editors are acting in good faith, both editors wind up being scrutinized.

By the way, Atlantis77177, I will take it as a compliment that you thought to come to me for dispute resolution. However, I don't think my further involvement is needed, and I have faith in both of you that you can work this out amicably between yourselves, on your own respective talk pages.

TL;DNR Continue to WP:Assume good faith, continue to be WP:CIVIL, continue to show mutual respect, and use your own talk pages to resolve this issue between yourselves. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the trouble. I approached you as I had already discussed matters with you and did not do so with @Shahoodu:, and I had just known him for a day, and no harm intended to any. So let's end it here with my apology.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 15:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Obviously, if Atlantis asked me about this incident on my talk page, we could have sort out it there. Anyway sorry for troubling you both. By the way I will discuss this with Atlantis. And moving this discussion into my talk page, Im not familiar that. I hope you will do that for us. Thankyou for your valuable advice. Shahoodu (talk) 15:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad to see you will both work it out. When I said "moving" I didn't mean literally moving or copying the existing verbiage, but rather "continuing" the discussion on one of your talk pages, as if it were a new discussion. If you want to "link back" to the most recent version of this page, click in the "history" tab at the top of this page, select the most recent version, then copy the URL then use that URL as a web link, like so: [http://www.example.com/example html], in the new thread. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:59, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar. We both have solved the issue. I have rarely seen some editors like you, who are always to help the newbies in this platform. Once again, thankyou for helping us out Shahoodu (talk) 17:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I was a newbie once too. Got myself kicked off for good for not respecting the rules, nearly for good. Thanks to some very patient people I was re-instated and have been gratefully contributing since. Just passing on what others have done for me. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)