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You've added detailed chemical synthesis to a couple of articles I watch today. You are citing only primary sources; it is hard to know why these syntheses in particular are important or notable - (this is why Wikipedia as a whole has a strong preference for secondary sources - to guide editors as to what content should have weight in any given article. Without secondary sources, selection and weighting of content based on primary sources is original research which is not allowed here) Also, I am sore tempted to revert, because it looks like you are trying to create a kind of manual for chemists, but Wikipedia is not a manual. Before I did so, I wanted to come and ask you why you are adding this content, based on primary sources. What is your goal? Also, would you be willing to cite some secondary sources to provide context as to the notability of these reactions? Thanks Jytdog (talk) 16:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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It's from here

Synthesis of Essential Drugs Elsevier, 2006 Author: R.S. Vardanyan and V.J. Hruby ISBN: 978-0-444-52166-8

I am chemist (10 years since completed masters degree). I want to improve the chemical education that is the stated goal of editing here.

--Deass (talk) 16:10, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

yes you are clearly a chemist! that expertise is GREAT! We need more editors with technical expertise. But WP is written for everyday people, and needs to make sense to everyone. Readers don't have to understand the reaction itself but they should be told why it matters. Please be guided by WP:TECHNICAL also WP:NOTMANUAL, and please please cite the secondary source and inform readers why the reaction you are describing matters - why it is "notable" as we say on Wikipedia. Does that make sense? And if you are going to present 5 different syntheses, it would be useful to say something about why each of them matters, compared to the others - are these listed in historical order, order of what is commercially importance? Something else? Please tell us. (and if you could provide more descriptive headers than "Synthesis 1" etc that would be great) Again I don't mean to look a gift horse in the mouth and am grateful you taking the time to contribute, but please consider the needs of the encylopedia, to speak to general readers. It is exactly because people with your expertise can summarize and deploy the secondary literature more efficiently and accurately than someone like me (general scientific knowledge) that you are so valuable -- NOT because you can deploy the primary literature. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 16:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Seconded

Hi Deass! I also want to thank you for your additions. I am aware that you are new to using the Wiki syntax, but that makes it all the more important to review your edits, even if this might slow you down. For example, the synthesis image on Ipratropium bromide isn't working (maybe you forgot to upload it?), and the References header on Mitotane is broken (you accidentally deleted a "="). Also, a number of images of yours display the subtext "Cite" – what was your intention there?

Two other points: The "synonyms" you are adding are actually trade names, and they shouldn't be linked because they shouldn't have their own articles but redirect to the article under the chemical name. (Anyway they don't belong into the Synthesis secsions.) And your sentences about the drugs' actions (e.g. "Acetylcysteine is a drug taken for a cough in order to reduce thickness of phlegm.") shouldn't be in the Synthesis sections but right at the top of the article. These are often better introductions for laypeople than the ones we currently have!

Again, thank you for joining Wikipedia, and please don't hesitate to ask me for help! --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 08:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Spermous

Hello Deass,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Spermous for deletion, because it seems to be vandalism or a hoax.

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You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Amortias (T)(C) 21:22, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

No, this isn't a hoax. Still, the article doesn't belong on Wikipedia (yet) – see Wikipedia:No original research. In short: we are an encyclopaedia, not a scientific journal. Please wait until this term and concept have been accepted by (at least two) independent secondary sources. If it already has, please add the references. I hope our rules and restrictions don't chase you away... Again, please feel free to ask for assistance. Thanks --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 08:42, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Copy and paste

We do not allow copy and pasting as you did from this source [1]. You must paraphrase. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 12:47, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Basically everything you have added is copy and pasted from the sources. If this happens again you will not be allowed to edit further. I have reverted most of your edits. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:05, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

You must paraphrase. Putting content in quotes is not a solution as we need content to be CC BY SA. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 10:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Continued copy and pasting

This edit [2] made on May 31st contains content copied and pasted from [3].

As this is an ongoing issues I have had to block you from editing Wikipedia further until we have discussed what the issue is and how to prevent this from happening again. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:39, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with copy & pasting if you quote sources etc. Where do you think people are meant to get their information from, just invent it themselves out of nothing? Clearly, it has got to be based on something. I would be doing my own lab work but police seized all my lab equipment. Need to plant a few nail bombs etc to teach people a lesson not to touch other peoples property. --Deass (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes based on something but paraphrased not copy and pasted. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 18:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I was just using some of that stuff as a template to get me started. i'm not sure what people are getting so excited about. This is just educational I was not actually stealing other peoples ideas to burgle their money or anything like that. I prefer making synthesis notes on wikipedia than going into the books, although I understand the frustration that it is a free wikipedia therefore cannot make money from doing it. --Deass (talk) 18:39, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

We cannot use the same words as someone else. Fair use cannot be re licensed as CC BY SA and thus is not allowed on Wikipedia. I will paste the block notice below and you can apply for a second opinion. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 18:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Deass, copyright violation is taken very very seriously here. Please see WP:COPYVIO, which is not just policy, but policy with legal considerations. The block is meant to be educational - to get you to pay attention and become aware there is a problem so that your editing behavior will change going forward. Your comments are dismissive, which is not promising. With your expertise, you ~could be~ a valuable contributor, but by ignoring the policies/guidelines you are actually destructive and have put WP in legal jeapordy. Hence the block. If you will not pay attention and continue to fail to "get it" with respect to COPYVIO and other policies and guidelines that I and others have attempted to call your attention to, the block will probably never be lifted you will end up being effectively banned... or if it is lifted and you go right back to the old bad behavior, you will get actually banned. It's your choice. Jytdog (talk) 18:50, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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I was trying to improve wikipedia to get education. I only studied science at school/higher eduation I don't know about legal/copyright matters. It's not my job to know about that. ~~~~

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Indeed, it is your job if you wish to edit Wikipedia. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 17:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Yes if you are not able to figure out copyright issues and thus paraphrase content than we cannot allow you to edit. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:41, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

This copyright vio has something to do with money? I understand but I get deceived off money myself they only pay me a paltry amount. That's the economy we live in modern society is full of thieves just trying to deceive us.--Deass (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry do not understand what you mean? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:58, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Come on, I'd like to threaten some of this is taking the piss. i'd like my money back, or i'll put someone on the bomb.--Deass (talk) 20:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I am unable to understand what you are getting at. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm smarter than these authors who write those books anyway. See my edit here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Etonogestrel&oldid=610907602

For example, in the original document, it says position 11 in ring D.

This is just one example. When I proof read the document, I can see through the errors & make corrections to improve the original file.

• Actually in part 2 there was an error also. Where I did 2.H₂ to remove the benzyl protecting group, in the original file he just did some hydronium ion for this step.

Lednicer has quite a few mistakes in his books in fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mesterolone&oldid=590127106

See here in this book for Methenolone. You react with diazomethane, then on elimination, it is meant to be the cyclopropyl compound like for cyproterone acetate, and not the methyl-olefin.

Read the actual patent if you want for proof if you don't believe me.

Lednicer even says it with his own words if you read pages 94-95 in his steroid book:

“ Preparation of a progestin bearing a 16b-methyl group starts with 1,3-cycloaddition of diazomethane to the double bond

in ring D to yield the fused pyrrazoline 19-1 (Scheme 6.19). Pyrolysis in this case yields the 16-methyl derivative 19-2, in marked contrast to the adduct at position 1, which forms a fused cyclopropane.

”

--Deass (talk) 05:51, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Here's another example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devazepide

See where Lednicer places the final methyl group in the reaction scheme.--Deass (talk) 06:22, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

But I understand the point about working for free, it's a corrupt society we live in, at least in the UK.--Deass (talk) 06:22, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Deass, your unblock request is being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive262#User requesting unblock. EdJohnston (talk) 17:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Relation to other editors

Concerns raised here [4] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

These users edits are very similar to yours. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 20:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about RU-58841

Hello, Deass,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether RU-58841 should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RU-58841 .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, JacobiJonesJr (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Reason I start RU-58841 page, website called Thekaneshop is selling this compound to public as solution for hair balding in men. Therefore, real world chemical, not just pedagogic.

www.thekaneshop.com/

--Deass (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Structures

Could we please ask that you upload structures to commons, rather than us having to move all of them. A huge drive quite some time ago moved all structures off of en-wiki, and we would not like that to return. Many articles will get written in other language wikis and they need the structures as well. But thanks for keeping to the preferred svg format. You might like to note that there is also a special license for them - {{PD-chem}}. Thanks for you attention.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes that is something you could work on. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

editing via IP 86.27.20.95?

Deass appears to be editing via 86.27.20.95 now. contribs Jytdog (talk) 18:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

And see discussion here Jytdog (talk) 18:55, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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File permission problem with File:Epristeride Synthesis.svg

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