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Thanks for quick response. However I would like to add something more to the context. AOK HeavensGames and AOC Zone are the biggest communities for Age of Kings and Age of Conquerors games. There are many articles about Voobly in them. Also RTS-Sanctuary is the most popular community site for Real time Strategy games. There are many articles about Voobly there also. Would that be considered as reliable source??

I would like to repeat myself again. I am not trying to promote Voobly here and I have no intention to use Wikipedia in promoting Voobly. Voobly was formed by gamers trying to save the classic games. People in Voobly volunteer their time in developing everything. So I really feel Voobly deserves a page in Wiki. Sorry for being noobish in making this post. I am absolutely new to wiki world. Please help me in this regard.

Forums and the websites of gaming communities aren't reliable sources in most circumstances, no (the relevant guideline is at Wikipedia:Reliable sources if you want to look). The page wasn't deleted because we object to Voobly or its purpose, indeed I have no particular opinion on it. We're just trying to make sure the rules are followed. Hut 8.5 21:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hut, Thanks a lot for you time in helping me. I followed your suggestion and I based on that I spent a good amount of time in searching for articles on Voobly from neutral point of view. I am listing them here explaining their significance. Please check them and see if we can remove voobly from ban list so that I can go ahead and make an article.

http://zone.msn.com/en/general/article/aoferetiring

Microsoft mentioning Voobly for a place to play aoe2 in their site.

http://www.taringa.net/posts/juegos-online/10116946/Jugar-FIFA-11-En-Linea-Gratis-En-Voobly_-Online_.html

This is a spanish news channel. They don't have any tie-up's with voobly. Infact, they have their own page in wiki also.

http://xvt.uharc.net/lobby

Voobly being mentioned by X-Wing Vs. TIE Fighter guys to as a place to play their game online.This site has been already mentioned in Wiki under External links section(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_X-Wing_vs._TIE_Fighter). They suggested voobly as in their main site it self as a place to play their game online.

http://ebooks.allinfree.net/play-fifa-11-online-free-voobly-online/

ebooks All in free team also mentioned voobly as a place to play fifa.

http://games.riderdownload.com/play-fifa-11-free-online-voobly-online/

Voobly being metioned as a place to play fifa11 by the admins of games rider download team.

I am doing all the stuff from my end based on your suggestion. you asked me for at-least one article from a reliable source and from neutral point of view. All the ones that I mentioned above are not affiliated to Voobly in any context. They all are from neutral point of view.

As I told earlier, Voobly is not commercial. Its a free service being offered to gamers from gamers trying to save all the old classic games. That's we we don't promote voobly on other sites. That is the only reason for not having articles on Voobly so far from out side. Yet I am quite happy so see this many articles being written and published from neutral point of view.

I hope this info would help us in moving forward. Looking for a positive response this time. Kindly please help us. Thanks in advance.

None of those are even vaguely reliable. Several of your links [1][2] are from sites which rely on user-generated content, which are almost never reliable. I find it hard to believe [3] and [4] are written by people unaffiliated with Voobly as they are written in the first person, and I can't see any way they would qualify as reliable sources anyway. I suggest you take the time to read WP:RS (especially the section "Self-published and questionable sources"). Hut 8.5 13:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

[5] is not an user generated content. Please check for at the bottom of the page(It says "Except where otherwise noted, content on this wiki is licensed under the following license: CC Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported"). I have read the section mentioned by you and it says "Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article, and should be appropriate to the claims made". I believe that that the http://xvt.uharc.net/lobby supported directly about voobly.

Mate, I am not arguing with you. I am seeking help from you. I see many articles in wiki are based on blogs/social communities. Yet I am not bothering about them coz I am looking forward to create a page for voobly only. Please check them again and help us mate. Microsoft mentioning about voobly, Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter mentioning voobly as a place to play their game along with game ranger and their official client are definitely reliable sources mate. I'm sure both of these are not user generated content. We waited till last week to make voobly as a part of Microsoft's link. I request you to consider all these facts and unban us to create a page. You must also consider that it was not us that spammed about voobly in the past. We are now suffering for someone else's mistake. Yet we are trying to prove ourself by providing everything that you have asked. Please help us.

Of course [6] is user-generated content. As you've just noted it's a wiki and anybody could change that page right now. The copyright status of the page is completely irrelevant to whether it is considered a reliable source (and I should point out that Wikipedia is also licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License). From WP:RS: self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. Even if this source was considered reliable I don't think it constitutes significant coverage since it's just usage instructions. The fact that it supports a statement about Voobly certainly doesn't make it reliable either.

Articles about subjects which don't satisfy the notability guidelines can be (and frequently are) deleted. If Voobly doesn't satisfy these guidelines then allowing you to create a new page will probably result in the page getting deleted again. It might survive a few weeks if you're lucky. Unless you can find reliable sources for the content then unprotecting the title would be a waste of time. Hut 8.5 14:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi any update on this?? I have been waiting from a long time to get this fixed with your help. As I mentioned earlier, the things that happened in the past are not by us. We are the only who got affected by the events that happened in the past. Also, I just noticed in the Spanish page of "Age of Conquerors"( http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Empires_II:_The_Conquerors ) that the word Voobly has been mentioned(look under "Multijugador"). Infact I am very happy for this. I would like to request you to help us in this aspect. Already, I have submitted so many links to you to support us. Though some of them are user generated content, the others are from reputed neutral sites. For example, msn mentioned in this official site as well(http://zone.msn.com/en/general/article/aoferetiring). I would like to request you to help us create a page for us. We are not here to advertise or something else. We are requesting for a page here because, it is all volunteer work trying to save the old classic games.

More News Articles: http://djakartanews.blogspot.com/2011/09/age-of-empires-ii-online-dengan-voobly.html http://www.markosweb.com/www/voobly.com/

No-one's going to unprotect the page unless you can point to examples of what might be significant coverage in third-party reliable sources and thus show that an article on the subject might stand a chance of surviving our deletion processes. You've pointed to [7], which is probably reliable since it's from Microsoft but the only mention of Voobly is a single external link (which is not significant coverage). [8] is a blog and thus unreliable, even if you ignore the fact that it seems to be translated user instructions. [9] is some kind of web crawler which automatically gets information about websites and that page wasn't written by an actual human, therefore the fact that they mention Voobly is little more than confirmation that Voobly exists. The various different language Wikipedias are largely independent in what they consider significant or notable so the fact that you've got a mention in a Spanish page means nothing, however even if you got a mention in the English Wikipedia it still doesn't mean that Voobly is notable - for that you need sources. Unless you can find some source which is drastically better than anything you've offered so far I suggest you stop trying to get an article written on this topic. Hut 8.5 15:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi, after following all your instructions, I was able to get couple of articles on Voobly by RTSGuru. We asked them to review our service and publish an article only if they are completely satisfied with our service. They took 4-5 months to review our service and finally published a new article about voobly.

The new article about Voobly - http://www.rtsguru.com/game/11/uc/3539/Voobly.html In addition to publishing a new article about voobly, they also published an article showing the re-birth of classic games such as AOEII http://www.rtsguru.com/game/11/article/2998/Great-Games-Never-Really-Die-The-Case-of-AOE-II.html PS: The above articles are not made by users. They are made by staff of RTSGuru. I have been patiently following all your instructions from over an year. What ever happened in the past was done by our competitors. There is nothing we can do about that. We are doing all this only to save our classic games. This is not a commercial project. Already, I have submitted so many links to you to support us. Though some of them are user generated content, the others are from reputed neutral sites. For example, msn mentioned in this official site as well(http://zone.msn.com/en/general/article/aoferetiring). I would like to request you to help us create a page for us. We are not here to advertise or something else. We are requesting for a page here because, it is all volunteer work trying to save the old classic games.

Any help regarding this is appreciated.

You're not "suffering due to the actions made by some unknowns". Voobly does not meet our notability guidelines. As long as that is the case, any article about it will be deleted one way or another. Yes the page has been create-protected due to spamming in the past, but if that wasn't the case and you were free to create an article I doubt it would survive a month because of the notability issues. Notability is primarily determined by checking for the existence of significant coverage in third-party reliable sources (WP:GNG). Everything you have provided to date to try to demonstrate notability has been either an unreliable source, not independent of the subject, or doesn't constitute significant coverage. The Microsoft link you provided above does not constitute significant coverage, as I've told you before - it doesn't note anything about Voobly other than its existence. I can't see any reason to think that [10] is a reliable source, especially as it accepts user-generated content. I'm not declining to let you create a page about Voobly because I have anything against the site, or for anything else that is your fault - I don't care in the slightest. The site simply doesn't meet our notability guidelines at this time. Hut 8.5 23:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Hut,

After looking at various articles, we were able to find an article about Age of Conquerors by Deccan Chronicle daily news paper. It is one of the biggest news paper circulated locally. They also mentioned Voobly as the best place to play this game online. I believe this is a reference from a reputed source. We are actually very happy for being acknowledged by them. Including this reference, Im listing all the references below.

http://zone.msn.com/en/general/article/aoferetiring

Microsoft mentioning Voobly for a place to play aoe2 in their site.

http://www.rtsguru.com/game/11/uc/3539/Voobly.html

An article from a reputed website for RTS Games.

http://www.rtsguru.com/game/11/article/2998/Great-Games-Never-Really-Die-The-Case-of-AOE-II.html

Another article from a reputed website for RTS Games.

http://i.tinyuploads.com/DE9Kii.jpg

Paper footage from Deccan Chronicle daily news paper.

http://www.taringa.net/posts/juegos-online/10116946/Jugar-FIFA-11-En-Linea-Gratis-En-Voobly_-Online_.html

This is a spanish news channel. They don't have any tie-up's with voobly. Infact, they have their own page in wiki also.

http://xvt.uharc.net/lobby

Voobly being mentioned by X-Wing Vs. TIE Fighter guys to as a place to play their game online.This site has been already mentioned in Wiki under External links section(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_X-Wing_vs._TIE_Fighter). They suggested voobly as in their main site it self as a place to play their game online.

http://ebooks.allinfree.net/play-fifa-11-online-free-voobly-online/

ebooks All in free team also mentioned voobly as a place to play fifa.

http://games.riderdownload.com/play-fifa-11-free-online-voobly-online/

Voobly being metioned as a place to play fifa11 by the admins of games rider download team.

We are waiting for almost 2 years to get a page in wiki. I have added all the references that we recommended Voobly as the best gaming service for several old games. I request you to kindly look into this and do the needful. Thanks a lot for your time and attention.

OK, let's go through these links. Bear in mind that to demonstrate notability you need significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. Note that something which merely links to Voobly, or even recommends Voobly, is not significant coverage of Voobly. The source needs to give you a significant amount of information about Voobly in order to demonstrate that Voobly is notable.

• [11]: as I have told you before, a link to Voobly is not coverage of Voobly.
• [12] is user submitted content, it doesn't qualify as a reliable source.
• [13]: ditto.
• [14]: this is a bit better, but basically all the article is about the game, and Voobly is only mentioned in passing.
• [15]: not sure why you linked to this, as it doesn't mention Voobly at all. Even if it did this doesn't seem to be a reliable source, as Taringa is a social networking site (not a news channel) and the content seems to be user-submitted.
• [16]: this is a wiki and therefore an unreliable source. Even if that wasn't the case merely linking to Voobly is not significant coverage of Voobly.
• [17]: this link isn't working for me, but it doesn't look like a remotely reliable source and if it only mentions the site as a place to play some game it wouldn't qualify anyway.
• [18]: link doesn't work, again if it only mentioned the site as a place to play the game then it wouldn't qualify.

As before, I don't see any convincing evidence that Voobly meets our notability guidelines, and therefore no reason to unprotect the page, as any page about Voobly would likely be deleted for lack of notability. Hut 8.5 18:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Hut 8.5, After a long wait I think finally we have what is required from our end. Recently Voobly joined Partners list of World Series of Video Games. Please find the related links below.

• [19]: Official Website of World Series of Video Games
• [20]: Their Wikipedia Page
• [21]: Voobly getting listed under partners of World Series of Video Games.
• [22]: WSVG(World Series of Video Games) Team explaining about various features and activities of Voobly.

On another note, we recently started Exclusive Support section and added valuable information related to the games that we support over the time. This info is really not found anywhere in the internet. You can check that from this link - support dot voobly dot com (feeling sad to see Voobly being Blacklisted and is not allowing to paste our link as well :( ). You can click on games on the left side bar and ask for questions. Considering the hardwork that is being invested in Voobly for supporting the legacy games using active members(This is also mentioned by WSVG Team in their site - http://wsvg.net/voobly/), I think allowing a page in Wikipedia will be a great achievement for us. Please help us with this.

I really don't think this makes any difference. Being partnered with another organisation, even a notable one, doesn't confer notability. Providing "valuable information" doesn't confer notability. We don't create articles about things as a reward for hard work and it isn't an achievement. As I have said many times before the main criterion is significant coverage in third-party reliable sources and I don't think anything you've provided above will qualify. Certainly promotional material from an organisation associated with Voobly isn't going to qualify as third-party.

If you are determined to press this then I suggest you try creating a userspace draft and take it to deletion review. If people think your draft is good enough then they might allow you to move it into mainspace as an article. I wouldn't hold out much hope of that happening based on what you've shown me here. Hut 8.5 06:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Thanks for letting me know about this. I have updated the information. Kindly please let me know if I need to do anything further.

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