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Wikipedia's notability guideline for music

Hi Derek. I am new to wikipedia and singed up specifically to edit a page on Danny Bryant as it said "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music". I have made edits and think with the correct references etc it should be ok now. I noticed that you first flagged this a while ago. If the article is now ok, how does this notice get removed? Sorry if I am going about this the wrong way, I thought I would ask you as you were the one to flag it - newbie here! Many thanks.--Mirrorballs (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)Mirrorballs 05/06/2012

Hello Mirrorballs. Sorry for the delay in responding, but I have been away for a few days. I am taken the liberty of improving the referencing on Bryant's article and generally enhanced the Wiki styling. I also note that another editor has now removed the 'notability' tag, which is fine. Obviously, his notability has now established by the various edits since I placed the original tag back in August last year. Well done.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:42, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks Derek! --Mirrorballs (talk) 00:32, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello Derek

Thought you might be interested to know that the Andy Kim birth date "controversy" is showing signs of stirring to life. See the talk page of the article. 74.14.25.111 (talk) 06:58, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I note your comments, which I broadly agree with. Apart from the reliable third party 'evidence' already presented for 1946 as the most probable birth year, it is frankly inconceivable that he left home and recorded his first single aged 11, whilst pretending to be 17!

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:22, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Just by the by, I see that my trusty (but not wholly reliable) Joel Whitburn book gives the 5 Dec 1952 birthdate, and gives his original name as Androwis Jovakim. I think you should start a new "birth name" debate on that talk page......  ?! Hope you had a good holiday, Derek - can't beat the good old rainy British summer though! Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Super holiday, thanks. Came home early this morning and have seen more rain today, than in three weeks in the Far East ! Must go away more often.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper straw poll

There is currently a straw poll taking place here. Your input would be appreciated. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, and thank you. But frankly, I can not did bothered to proffer a flying fig, because the American standard will prevail, as it generally does right across Wikipedia. Of course, it's The Beatles, but the Yanks would not understand English - despite purporting to speak it.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Cue Churchill. StevenJ81 (talk) (a Yank, as it happens) 20:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Jewish Holiday: Link filled in under your name by Reflinks

Hi, there: Based on your highly decorated editing history, I'm disinclined to revert your edit without contacting you first. However, the link that has been added to the article Jewish holiday (now marked as Ref. 1, under the section for Rosh Hashanah), refers to a website written by a Christian, ostensibly to show the Jewish roots of Christianity. That's all well-and-good; he's entitled to his website, and probably isn't even wrong, as far as it goes. However, my view is that (a) this reference doesn't really add any value to the article in the first place, and (b) for a Jewish holiday like Rosh Hashanah, an equivalent Jewish source, were such to exist, would be more appropriate. Thanks for your consideration. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Steven. Your logic sounds good to me - please feel free to revert/amend as you see fit. It's no problem to me.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 DoneStevenJ81 (talk) 21:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

MLS International Roster Slots

Thanks for completing the references on the MLS International Roster Slots page. I'm sure it was a chore. I'll be sure and maintain it properly going forward. Thanks again. Bubbagump24 (talk) 23:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Actually the easiest way to deal with such matters is to use Wikipedia:Reflinks, which is quite simple to employ. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC).

Reflinks for children's authors and books

Hi, You are frequently on my watchlist, evidently following my placement of {{bare URL}} at the top of a page. It's the one editorial template that seems to provoke a quick response.

Is the Reflinks tool capable of using {dmy} for publication dates and yyyy-mm-dd for Retrieval? (I ask after consulting Chaos Walking where you have used yyyy-mm-dd for both in completing 8 references. The preceding editor in antepreceding visit (10:56, 30 December 2011‎ Apocryphals) had used {dmy} correctly for publ dates but incorrectly for Retrieval.)

Does the Reflinks tool resort to linked wikipedia articles, as I suggested in a comment to manual editors ("-- see references given in the biography and three book articles; some are complete and some should be consulted here --")? Or does it rely entirely on the one wikipedia article and data retrieved by internet?

Thank you for your time. --P64 (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Perhaps I can make a few basic points. Firstly, I do not follow any other editor's actions and sub edit accordingly. I normally, when using Wikipedia:Reflinks, take a list such as [Category:Articles needing link rot cleanup from February 2012] and work through it. Secondly, my technical knowledge of the workings of Reflinks is somewhat limited, as I presume it creates references using correct terminology and stylings. Certainly it does generate the retrieval dates in the yyyy-mm-dd format. Frankly, as it is not often that books come up on the type of lists mentioned, I have not really noticed what style it automatically generates for publication dates.

Thirdly, to the questions posed in your last paragraph, I simply do not know the answers (my technical deficiencies again). Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't mean to be critical. The quick response (as it seems to me) encourages me to keep using this template.

After a look at Quentin Blake --where you followed up my AM work this PM-- i suspect that the publication date is retrieved by internet from "metadata" visible to Reflinks but invisible (Exhibit: copyright year only) to you and me.

Thanks again. --P64 (talk) 00:36, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for removing cleanup link at the page of Nirman. --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Ted Ray (comedian)

Apologies for reverting your edits there, but an IP had got its hands on the article before you did, thus transferring radio shows to TV. By all means revert me if that makes it easier to restore your stuff. Regards, Rothorpe (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I've reinserted the reference that I added previously - all is well. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

List of deaths in rock and roll

Hi Derek. Fancy taking a look at that page's recent history and talk page? I'm up to 3RR, I think. Not "vandalism", just reluctance to engage in due process, etc etc. The "good" version is SabreBD's last edit, should you wish to get involved. Nice day up there? - I'm pottering in the garden.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello Guy. I have added my ha'p'orth worth on the article's talk page. Beautiful day here too - just got back from cricket at Queen's Park, Chesterfield. Lovely weather on Sunday - even though we lost the match. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to be that specific

No need for stuff like "by iantothemax on March 5th, 2012 at 11:55 am"[1] - and I don't even think "iantothemax" is avy relevant here. --Niemti (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, the line was created automatically by Wikipedia:Reflinks. I do not know a thing about the subject matter; merely trying to reduce the number of bare URLs. Still, you can't please all the people, can you.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Howie Payne

What would you suggest doing about an editor (IP 80.3.170.61) that repeatedly removes fully referenced details from an article? I don't know who the editor is, but it seems they have an active interest in supressing certain information about Howie Payne. You're an experienced editor, so perhaps you know a solution? Thanks.

92.8.16.98 (talk) 18:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Derek

This message was sent to user 92.8.18.28 as the edits in regards to the above complaint were originally made from that ip address. it outlines the reason for my revision of their edits. They have not responded but continue to revise the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:92.8.18.28 As you can see my message clearly states why I revised their edits but rather than fix or address the issues and thus improve the page they have chosen to contact you with an accusation of suppressing of information. I also think it is worth noting this page has been subject to vandalism in the past. I hope this helps you to gain a balanced view of the matter should you think it necessary to intervene. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.170.61 (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Why do you instert some " var authorId = "" by " into links, repeatedly?

[2] That's... strange. Stop doing it. --Niemti (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I talked with you about stuff like that already. How about you start checking and copyediting to eliminate glitches like that, or just filling these links manually? --Niemti (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Even User:Dispenser/Reflinks actually says: "When done, click the "show preview" button at the bottom of the page. If things look OK, then click the "save page" button. If things don't look OK, then fix what needs to be fixed in the preview edit window." --Niemti (talk) 18:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are talking about. I am simply using Wikipedia:Reflinks for these alterations - whatever it is adding it is doing so - not me. So stop coming here and berating me.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Let me repeat again: "When done, click the "show preview" button at the bottom of the page. If things look OK, then click the "save page" button. If things don't look OK, then fix what needs to be fixed in the preview edit window."[3] --Niemti (talk) 17:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

And you did it again:[4] - are you just completely ignoring me, and Reflinks guidelines? Go and fix it now. --Niemti (talk) 18:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and there are 12,600 articles witj "var authorId =" - many of them are probably because of your reckless editing, so I suggest you should start fixing then now, after you've forgot to do it in the preview edit window, as you were supposed to. --Niemti (talk) 18:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe some other, autmoatic bot might now clean up after you. Just get it done. --Niemti (talk) 18:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, Derek. As an uninvolved user, I just want to let you know that there is a discussion about the apparent Reflinks bug over at User talk:Dispenser/Reflinks#Apparent "var authorId" bug?. Thank you, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Greg. Many thanks for your intervention on this topic - perhaps you, and possibly others, will appreciate that I have been using Reflinks with good faith. It is certainly not reckless editing on my part - I deeply resent the accusation. If such claims are repeated, I will report the matter to the administrators notice board. Thanks again for your level headedness.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate it very much. By the way, there is a discussion at User talk:Dennis Brown#Question about Niemti's behavior. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Just so you are aware, the bug has been fixed. Keep up the good work! Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks yet again. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

If it's "certainly" not reckless, why didn't you start using the preview button, as you're supposed to, even after I've told you twice about it? --Niemti (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

2012 in Scottish television

Thanks for this. I forgot to remove it after I'd finished. :) Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Regards.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Detagging

Hi there. When filling in references with reflinks, please remember to remove the {{cleanup-link rot}} tag so the article isn't in the category of articles needing fixing. Please go back and remove it on all the articles you've filled references in on in the past. Thanks, Rcsprinter (natter) @ 10:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I am assuming good faith here. I have edited Wikipedia for well over 6 years, undertaken over 60,000 edits, of which, I reckon in excess of 10,000 were done using Reflinks. The odd lapse along the way, for sure, but reviewing ten thousand ? I don't think so.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• You've done a wonderful job with the Jagan Nath Azad and Malik Ram reflinks. Hard work, I know, and I am sure I speak for many when I say we really do appreciate your input. Thanks.Zananiri (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you in return. A little encouragement goes a long way.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea

Fixing references per linkrot at-Malik Ram-I appreciate that! –Justice007 (talk) 22:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. More work is actually needed concerning the referencing on that article, but at least I've made a start. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abaza_family&diff=prev&oldid=508782436

Hi Derek R Bullamore, I undid your edit because mistakenly you also removed the image I added. Lotje ツ (talk) 14:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

danke! Greatpumkin (talk) 02:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I will go nicely with my cup of tea (above). Not sure what I've done to warrant it, but I'll eat it up all the same.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

for your help with Kemp Muhl you cleaned up the references very well. Greatpumkin (talk) 21:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Jimmy Conrad

please put that jimmyconrad was signed by real madrid for one day then realeased. on his video he even asked someone to do this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.170.51 (talk) 03:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Have you got a reliable source ? Bear in mind the need for verifiability, particularly when dealing with biographies of living people. I notice that this article is semi-protected, due to constant and ongoing vandalism. Does it partly relate to the previous postings of this 'fact', by any chance ??

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:50, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Pardon moi

Hello fellow Wikipedian, Sorry for the conflicting edits. Like they say, "Great minds think alike!" Crtew (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Albert Hammond

Dear Derek

thanks for your note pointing out Wikipedia's editing guidelines after my edits of Albert Hammond's page. This is the first time I use this talk function so am not sure if this should go here. I emailed you but it bounced back. Anyway, I was going to search the many sources on this issue that have have appeared in local press over the past few years but was not sure if it was worth it. I was going to leave it at that but then yesterday in a Gibraltar Facebook group the following discussion started - and not by me or at my request ! I paste it here so you can gauge the strength of feeling on Albert Hammond's nationality. Understand also that for the Gibraltarian, nationality and national pride is much stronger than in the average UK citizen.

Though the formatting here make it difficult to follow please read it as it will show that what I said was a valid point.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/365128370172839/

or see below

Douglas Casaretto Yesterday's Chronicle exults Albert Hammond as Gib's legend on account of a new album he is introducing (in Madrid) this month. But doesn't he say he was born in London precisely when in Madrid....o ahora es LLanito cuando esta en Gib! Like · · Yesterday at 09:52

   Annabelle Chichon, Monique Sanchez, Bernard Wright and 20 others like this.
       Hector Cortes Douglas,if you have a look at a long conversation on Gib expats abroad, you'll find out the details. Albert WAS born in London. He has NEVER denied being a llanito, all this stems from an interview from a Spanish woman interviewer who, when he was asked to say where he was born, did NOT GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SAY he was Gibraltarian, she buuted in "You were born in Londo!". YET, in an interview with Julio Iglesias, the singer said very clearly "Y lo teniamos tan cerquita...." Albert quite opnely says he is Gibraltarian. With his fame, he doesn't have to give a shit about Spainish reprters, since virtually all Spanish singers are begging for his songs, whether he came from Gibraltar or Timbuctoo ! Albert is the greatest of our exports, as well as being Gibraltar's top musician. (He had a recent interview on the International Arts Channela couple of months ago where he mentions he is llanito).
       Yesterday at 10:52 · Like · 2
       Tito Danino I beg to differ. I saw the interview and he was asked what he considered himself and he answered " yo soy UN hombre del Mundo" He did not have the balls to say to Maria Teresa Campos that he was from Gib. For me that man is not a true LLANITO. Anyone can say what they want but he was given the chance in prime time Spanish TV to fight our corner and chickened out, fame or no fame.
       Yesterday at 14:38 via Mobile · Unlike · 24
       Hector Cortes each to his own point of view, tito
       Yesterday at 14:40 · Like · 1
       Tito Danino No disrespect intended Hector its just my opinion.
       Yesterday at 14:41 via Mobile · Like · 1
       Hector Cortes no offence taken,friend. But he did not say he was a Yank, or English or anything else, and, come to think of it, every singer in every country in the world has sung his songs....... why shouldn't he be a "man of the world"?
       Yesterday at 14:45 · Like · 1
       Tito Danino No he is an International star. But as a Gibraltarian I would have liked him to face up to Maria Teresa Camposhit and defend his identity.
       Yesterday at 14:47 via Mobile · Like · 8
       Hector Cortes don't blame the poor guy. Against the might of a controlled Press what can you do?
       Yesterday at 14:50 · Like
       Julie Gonzalez ‎Hector Cortes
       If he had any pride in his hometown, in my opinion, he should want to let the world know where his roots are. As Tito Danino rightly says, he has had ample exposure to have come out and say that he is Gibraltarian and he has not done so. If as you say "with his fame, he does not have to give a shit about Spanish reporters" then it is even more insulting that he does not have what is takes to proudly say " Soy de Gibraltar"
       Yesterday at 14:56 · Like · 13
       Hector Cortes look, I am not prepared to get into an argument. Let's agree to disagree, OK?
       Yesterday at 15:01 · Like · 2
       Leslie Bruzon ‎Hector Cortes I remember my parents telling me that when he first started to appear on Spanish TV "back in the good old days" he used to say that he was from South America! Valiente Yanito!
       Yesterday at 15:15 · Like · 3
       Hector Cortes Ireally have no further interest in this. I get on FB for amusement and chatting to friends. You want to argue... fine.... but not with me.
       Yesterday at 15:18 · Like
       Jennifer J Fernandez Hector, debate pages are not for the feint hearted. especially when it comes to the subject of Albert Hammond.
       Yesterday at 15:23 · Like · 7
       Leslie Bruzon ‎Hector Cortes I respect your stance totally and the fact that you don't want to debate is fine but you do have to understand that if you decide to stand up and defend a particular individual others are going to express their own opinions!
       Yesterday at 15:25 · Like · 10
       Jennifer J Fernandez ‎Leslie Bruzon I remember my parents telling me the exact same thing. It is shameful that this man decides to obliterate the fact that he is a yanito, born and bred in Gibraltar, his family still live here. Although he is a very talented artist, sadly this talent is wasted on me due to his attitude on his birthplace.
       Yesterday at 15:32 · Like · 10
       Kenneth El Pav Trinidad ‎Jennifer J Albert Hammond was born in UK not Gib but only because his mum was evacuated to London during WWII with so many other Gibraltarian evacuees otherwise he would have been born here. The reason i believe he doesnt admit to being from Gib is for political reasons as he might have been frowned upon in spain and not sold the amount of records he did and gain the fame he has.
       22 hours ago · Like · 10
       Jennifer J Fernandez Yep have to agree with you.
       21 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 1
       Douglas Casaretto Hector very recently he appeard in aspecial programme on Tele 5 held by Maria teres Campos una malaguenya muy amiga de Gibraltar por los co...nes...and he said the same that he was born in London.(fine) if he was, so there fore it was really his family that coame from Gib. I know his mum and she is a lovely lady. All that is fine but then what you cannot do is say in a local prograamme is that he would love a street with his name in Gib because it would mean recognition by his people...en que quedamos...como le ponemos al nene..chat o narigon!
       21 hours ago · Like · 4
       Kylie Estella Eso es verda no tuvo c*jones desirle a maria teresa campos k era de gibraltar como que sabe que ella es anti - llanito
       21 hours ago · Like · 6
       Manuel Ferro To all true yanitos,re ...albert hammonds. I remember in the early seventies,in a spanish progamme called Directisimo or something on those lines,being interviewed by JOSE MARIA INGIGO,denying that he was from Gibraltar,since that day I stopped buying any records from him,so de true yanito tienes poco..
       20 hours ago · Like · 11
       Kenneth Glenn este nunca a sido yanito, degraciao si
       20 hours ago · Like
       John Baglietto A street in Madrid should be named calle Alberto Hammond.
       19 hours ago · Like · 1
       Charles Snr Benyunes Desgracio pero multi millonario, aunque lo mas bonito no lo tiene, algo que el dinero nunca le va dar, el cariño y el respeto de su pueblo.
       19 hours ago via Mobile · Unlike · 11
       Sheridan Borda In interviews I have heard from Albert he has always said he is english as he was born in London, but in a recent interview a few months ago, Maria Teresa Campos told him you are Gibraltarian to which he replied, I am from whatever country I am in at the moment. From that day on I don't want to know anything about him. He was born in London, but his parents are from Gibraltar and he was brought up in Gibraltar, he has even given concerts in La Linea and never in his homeland. Shameful.
       19 hours ago · Like · 10
       Jennifer J Fernandez Well said Sheridan !
       19 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 2
       Tito Danino I've never heard of him helping any local charities but I know he is involved in a few money making establishments. As if he didn't have enough.
       19 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 1
       Sheridan Borda Tiene razon Tito Danino
       19 hours ago · Like · 1
       Maruchi Golt I knew him in the 60s when he started with his band in Gibraltar and enjoyed so much dancing to his tunes.Years later I heard him on Spanish television in the 70s when we were locked up here on the Rock as did most of Gibraltar and to us it was such a let down not to proclaim in capital letters that he was a Gibraltarian especially in those days. To me he was a ""dejenerao" and he will never get my respect.
       19 hours ago · Like · 7
       Simy Herbert He will never have my respect either ,I have heard him on numerous occassions in Spain and not once has he said anything of his Gibraltarians connections ,sad for a person who has a lot of talent in the music field,and no affection for his roots
       18 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 4
       Angelique Spiteri I think it's a pity he cannot be proud to shout out he is from Gibraltar especially as he knows what it would mean to us. We do not have many international stars we can boast of and when we are unsure whether he is proud of his roots we cannot take him to our hearts as we should, come on Albert become the national hero you should be.... by reminding us and the world that you are a proud Gibraltarian at heart :D
       18 hours ago · Like · 1
       Sheridan Borda Este no le importa nada Gibraltar, y el ke no quiere a su tierra no quiere a nadie IMO.
       18 hours ago · Like · 1
       Robert Mor I think he has already made public on a few occassions what he feels about Gib. He can stay con la tonta de la campo!
       18 hours ago · Like
       Maruchi Golt It's too late now in his career anyway the damage is done
       18 hours ago · Like
       Trevor Bickerstaff he should go to La linea and play for them he neglected his home land and shown hes not proud of it let him play where he has a following, In the Guardia civil Convention....
       18 hours ago · Like · 1
       Simy Herbert He should sing this appropriate song Hechame a mi la culpa and te go una espinita clavada en mi corazon
       18 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 3
       Nicola Belilo No respect for him!!!!!!! How sad that he feels ashamed and can't admit he is from Gibraltar......I would shout it from the roof tops if I had to. He should follow in Breed77 footsteps.....proud gibraltarians who literally fly the flag everywhere they go!!!!!!
       17 hours ago · Unlike · 10
       Jenique Berllaque Albert who? Never heard of him. Llanito? Anda hombre with the many IMPORTANT people we have around the world who have never been ashamed of saying where they are from. IMO this debate should not be for this group.
       16 hours ago · Edited · Like · 4
       Pablo Hernandez Albert Hammond is a citizen of the world no? Pues k otro lado del mundo le ponga el nombre de una calle.
       16 hours ago · Like · 3
       Robert Mor oh! was someone doing a petition to put the name of this guy in one of our streets or roads?
       16 hours ago · Like · 1
       Nicola Belilo Po he/she would e lucky to get more than 10 signatures!!!!!!
       16 hours ago · Like · 4
       Robert Mor lol
       16 hours ago · Like
       Pablo Hernandez te extranyaria Robert?
       16 hours ago · Like
       Robert Mor nada Pablo! lol
       16 hours ago · Like
       Ronald Pincho Another traitor.
       9 hours ago · Like
       Dennis Gonzalez I would understand him evading the issue in the biging when no one doing him any favors, but now he would be above all that its not as if her needs the money from Spain, he is getting richer by the the day just sitting at home on top of the world
       7 hours ago · Like · 1
       Pablo Hernandez So why deny he's Gibraltarian? Is he ashamed? Is it a source of shame to be Gibraltarian? Are we inferior to other nationalities in his opinion? Traitor no se, you have to consider yourself and have others consider you from a certain place in order to betray it. I don't think neither scenario applies to hammond
       6 hours ago · Like · 1
       Steve Reeve I certainly would not like a street named after him in a land he has always denied, name a street after someone who has always put Gib at the forefront no matter where he goes even when he talks to the Queen so how about it....Momy Levy Street
       6 hours ago · Like · 4
       Josefa Fiol Who is Albert Hammond!
       6 hours ago · Like
       Steve Reeve I think he is a TV repair man in Los Angeles Josefa
       6 hours ago · Like · 2
       Leslie Bruzon ‎Sheridan Borda my father was also born in London as a consequence of the Evacuation and I dare anyone look him in the face and tell him he is not Yanito! He will tell anyone that "la desgracia mas grande de su vida fue nacer en Londres y no en su casa"!
       5 hours ago · Like · 3
       Steve Reeve I was born and raised in the UK and I had never heard of Gib until one day I was on my RN frigate and the Cap said we are off to Gib, perl digo una coda soy Yanito through and through y defiende mas que alguno who have been born and raised here
       5 hours ago · Like · 5
       Steve Reeve Don't you just hate it when the bloody computer finishes your words off for you...grrrrr
       5 hours ago · Like
       Charles Snr Benyunes Steve I have said this before, I have friends who have chosen Gibraltar as their home who could teach a few born here what it is all about when it comes to defending this Blessed Rock.
       5 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 2
       Steve Reeve Your brother in law Rick is another who defends the Rock of the Gibraltarians....what is a Yanito or a Yanita does it mean they are born here NO it means they have what it takes when it comes to the defence of Gib and its people to make their own decisions and who have contributed to the economy, life and culture of the Rock with a passion.
       5 hours ago · Like · 5
       Charles Snr Benyunes Hear hear, my other brother in law Paul, another one who also defends Gib tooth and nail.
       5 hours ago via Mobile · Like
       Steve Reeve Some people tell me I am a Gurri and not a Yanito, to which I always reply but I am more Yanito than you and they say what makes you think that to which my reply is you are Yanito by an accident of birth but I am Yanito by choice
       5 hours ago · Like · 5
       Steve Reeve I know Paul too, husband of Rose
       5 hours ago · Like
       Charles Snr Benyunes Yeah they both do me proud when it comes to defending the Rock, no ambiguities there.
       5 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 1
       Yolanda Mary Ryan nice one Steve Reeve
       5 hours ago · Like · 1
       Rich Pitaluga I well remenber him denying his roots on Spanish TV in the late 70s &/or early 80s. I can sort of understand it then while he needed the Spanish market but now, when he's set up?...
       4 hours ago · Like
       Sheridan Borda I totally agree with you Leslie, He was born in London, pero his parents are yanitos and he was raised in Gib, el es yanito le guste o no.
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       Jennifer J Fernandez actually now, its the yanitos that do not want him to be one, ahora que lo empadrine otra parte del mundo! nosotro no lo queremo es un renegao.
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       Sheridan Borda Well said Jennifer
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       Jennifer J Fernandez thank you hija.
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       David Joseph Diaz Igualitos que Breed 77 que llevan su bandera Gibraltareña por todo el mundo y se encuentran orgullosos de ser Llanitos!
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       Cossette Alsina Ese es un renegao he said in tele5 when asked where he was from k he was a man of the world anda y l se vaya Dnd Kiera con su album yo seguro no lo voy a compra por muy pera k este
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       Irene Byrne Catania a street name to albert hammond my foot, yo lo quito, y pongo de nuestra verdadera gente, llanitas pura,,,,,, los que pasaron en la evacuacion....... una calle por los cj ones
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       Manuel Ferro steve..tu eres un girri yanito..he,he he .wish you all the very best ,my good friend..lol
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Hello Douglas,

There is a very basic problem here in that Facebook, for all sorts of reasons, is not considered a reliable source. Please see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. In this case as with all others concerning living persons, individual opinions, however heartfelt, are not valid. Searching for reliable, third-party sources, is an overriding requirement when something as fundamental as anyone's nationality is concerned.

As an aside, whilst I do not doubt the amount of passion that Gibraltarians may feel, you may have seen plenty of national pride exhibited by Brits for their own sporting heroes/heroines at the 2012 Summer Olympics !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Indian Premier League

Hello, Derek R Bullamore/Archive 11! We are looking for editors to join WikiProject Indian Premier League, an collaborative group which aims to support development of Indian Premier League related articles in Wikipedia. We thought you might be interested, and hope that you will join us. Joining us helps to improve the quality of Indian Premier League-related articles which are not in a good condition. I hope that you won't dismiss this request. We trust you, Derek R Bullamore/Archive 11, and we know that you have a lot of interest in this area. So why wait? Join fast! Thanks, and happy editing! —Thine Antique Pen (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks. The IPL holds little, indeed no, interest for me. Sorry,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Toverit Helsinki

Hi, While I agree that I was mistaken when adding the tags in Toverit Helsinki(I only saw the one typo when adding the bad grammar tag), I still think more tags are required, I don't like the wording in parts of the article, such as "It is presumed that its history ended in 1962.", or "The best achievement of this club was the Finnish championship in football in 1942, although a regular league type competition could not be played due to the war, and the whole competition consisted of two cup rounds with a total of three matches.". What is your opinion? Silvrous (talk) 16:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Silvrous. I would agree that the wording is not perfect, although that is a criticism I could have for many Wikipedia articles. I have no objection to you reintroducing the tag. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

re Rongo Wetere page

Dear Derek Bullamore,

Thankyou for doing that ref cleanup on the RW page. I now understand about reflinks and that they are a better format to use. As a new user I was following the ref format being used in the article, so was taken aback when my refs were changed or deadlinked with no explanation. I missed the linkrot tag that had been added to the page, so thanks for picking up on it right away. I probably would have quit at that point had I seen it.

I would like to get on with my work on this bio. There is much to be added yet. My original plan was to first correct the incorrect info appearing in the bio. This has now been done. Second, I intended to add information to the bio. I am hesitant to do this with the COI tag attached. As an aside, I find this tag offensive; it disparages me as an editor and raises questions about the veracity of the article. Anyways, I'm not understanding what I need to do to have this tag removed. Can you advise me? Straitarrow 20:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Straitarrow (talk • contribs)

Hello Straitarrow. Thanks for your comments. The best advice I can give you is for you to read the COI guidelines. The section includes sound and sensible information, and offers links to other editing guidelines, which you also may find helpful. Good luck,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Blow Monkeys entry

Hi Derek,

I have no idea how all this Wikipedia thing works but, as a music journalist, published author and music industry consultant with 25 years experience, I can say this. The Blow Monkeys' entries on Wikipedia are awful. No-one who has any idea what they're talking about would describe them as 'new wave'. That's just wrong - find me a UK-based reference ANYWHERE which describes them as such. 'Sophisti-pop' is not a genre. I spent a good deal of time earlier today trimming these pages so they actually make any sense. If you've undone them, I have to ask why. Currently, they are full of ill-considered opinions without any references.

Now, I don't know if you've written them or not but, in the interests of accurate, informed journalism, let's move forward on the basis that these can be improved?

John Reed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.42.131 (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello John. Can I suggest, with respect, that you spend some time finding out how "this Wikipedia thing works". There are copious editing guidelines available - just one can be found at Wikipedia:Verifiability. The genres are/were referenced to Allmusic - generally considered to be a reliable source. For ease it is available here - [5]. I would agree that overall the article is short of references, but removing those that do exist is NOT the way forward.

Perhaps once you have had the chance to read a little bit about the editing protocols of Wikipedia, then you might contact me again. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

John Leyton

You may want to take a look at changes to his birth year in his article. What do your sources say? Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - edited back to 17 February 1939 - as per the book in front of me now. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Lots of barnstars

	Award from Lotje
	For cleaning up my mess Lotje (talk) 11:48, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - I have no idea what your mess was, but all's well that ends well. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I have a strange feeling I am being 'followed'

Hello. You have a new message at User talk:220 of Borg#A strange feeling I am being .27followed.27's talk page. Message added 10:49, 25 September 2012 (UTC).

Hello. You have a new message at User talk:220 of Borg#A strange feeling I am being .27followed.27's talk page. Message added 05:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC).

A beer for you!

To refresh you after strenuous efforts in filling in references 220 of Borg 10:51, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, if you find some time could you take a look at the Oba Chandler article refs. Appreciated. Love your work.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Take a look at Disappearance of April Jones when you find time. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Check out Death of Tia Sharp then I will give you a break from my requests ;). Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:04, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Made one of small edit on Oba Chandler and X Factor (Sweden). Thanks. --BabbaQ (talk) 16:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:MMA

Thanks for helping to make MMA articles on wikipedia better! In September 168 people made a total of 956 edits to MMA articles. I noticed you havn't listed yourself on the WikiProject Mixed martial arts Participants page. Take a look, sign up, and don't forget to say hi on the talk page. Kevlar (talk) 03:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and request for assistance

Hi,

I am a new user and have been working on the pages of one of my local companies, NHNZ. I really appreciate you fixing the citations on my new page - NHNZ Moving Images - for me. I guess the problem with starting editing by trying to fix a page, is that you don't realize which bits are wrong. So I've gone back and followed style (I hope) to fix all the citations on the original page - NHNZ.

I would be really grateful if you had a change to look at the changes I've made to that page. I was prompted to start on with NHNZ as it seemed a shame that one of Dunedin's success stories should have that big warning box at the top. Can you tell me whether I've done enough to remove it, or what else is needed. I'd like to edit some other pages, too, but don't want to go crazy until I know I'm doing it right.

Many thanks for your help Kiwifee (talk) 10:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Your alterations to the referencing etc., on NHNZ appear fine to me. There is a semi-automatic program available at Wikipedia:Reflinks if that helps. I do not know how long you have been editing Wikipedia, but general information and guidelines are available via Wikipedia:Five pillars. I do not want to be trying to 'tell granny how to suck eggs', but undertaking some editing based reading may be useful to you. For example, All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy: unreferenced material may be removed, so please provide references. Editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong here. That means citing verifiable, authoritative sources, especially on controversial topics and when the subject is a living person.

Best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Gapstow Bridge‎

Thank you for filling in references on Gapstow Bridge‎. I have been adding templates to unassessed New York City articles, and occasionally I tag them with link rot. You are doing a good job filling in references as a followup to my tags. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - no problem. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Ironing Board Sam

You know you want that red link to turn blue, don't you? You just have to do it - notable for his name alone, I would think.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

A new one on me - where did you find him (I'm assuming it's a 'he') - in your clothes basket ??

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Nein..... Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:37, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

What are you doing, lurking around foreigner's Wiki ? Of course, I almost forgot, you are half foreign yourself. I may have a go at creating an article for Sam. Once my ironing duties here are over, of course. We're off to Nottingham next week for the Robin Hood Beer Festival. I think I'll take the easy option and appear as Friar Tuck. Hope you are well,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

There's a fair amount about him, in fact - here for starters. Give my regards to my alma mater - I've managed to avoid going back there for several decades! Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I've amassed a decent 'linkage' to him on my user page - in the old, and rather dusty, 'reds and blues' section. Since you are still lurking around here - thank goodness - can I do you a trade off ? If I manage a half decent Ironing Board before this month is out, could you have a go at the recently departed Big Jim Sullivan - which has been a minor (actually, major) shambles for years, despite my occasional efforts. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm tending to lurk more than edit at the moment, but I did notice that the Sullivan article is dire, so I may give it a go if no-one else gets in first. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:42, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, it is finally up and running - what'ya think ?

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Smooooooooth. Hot. Steamy. Flat (no, not really...) Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Cheers. And thanks for ironing out that crease of mine !?! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikify

Hi, just to let you know that the Template:Wikify tag has now been deprecated. Please use Template:underlinked or Template:dead end from now on, cheers. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 19:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon? and India-Forums

Regarding your recent edits to Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon?, please don't cite India-Forums.com as a reference. It is not a reliable source. (See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 131#India-Forums.) —Psychonaut (talk) 08:14, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

OK. Actually, I merely used Wikipedia:Reflinks to turn the bare urls into fuller references. Perhaps it needs 'educating' as to which citations are reliable sources, or not. Feel free to remove the india-forums 'source' - I have no knowledge, nor interest, in the subject matter. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:15, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

editing Bill Kazmaier article

Hello Derek.

I would like to know why you removed all the references to http://en.allpowerlifting.com/lifters/USA/kazmaier-william-7202/  ? It is a legit source for powerlifting statistics of the various federations and should definitely be allowed to be used. The webpage is sometimes down for maintenance, but is usually accessible a few hours later.

If you have any other issues with this reference then please let me know. Otherwise I will reinstall the refs of the Bill Kazmaier article.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yozkopf (talk • contribs) 15:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry for the inconvenience, but at the time the website was down, seemingly permanently.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for filling in the reference in the article about the violence in Osh. This article is on a very important subject yet it is in a very bad shape. Nataev (talk) 07:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I use Wikipedia:Reflinks - quite easy to operate, once you have tried it a few times.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 09:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Reference cleanups

Hi, I notice you've been doing some cleanups of the references at a number of pages and to start off I want to thank you for that. It's an often-overlooked area of cleanup that deserves attention and I think your efforts deserve praise in that regard. I wanted to ask you, though, to be a little more careful in your efforts. In a number of cases I can see you've replaced properly formatted references containing deadlinks with the bare url and a deadlink tag. That's not really how refs with faulty url links are supposed to be treated. The idea behind a reference is to allow readers to verify information, but that doesn't mean that a url is necessary. Often times there are paper copies of references available that can be located if the original formatting has been left in place, and for online-only sources there are often links available for historical material at the internet archive. At the very least, leaving the original text of the ref available indicates to readers where the information originally came from and allows later editors to re-locate the ref if it has moved url location elsewhere on the web. Adding the deadlink tag is very helpful to be sure, but I think you should just add it next to the url link and not simply blank the ref to replace it with the deadlink tag. To illustrate what I mean see below:

• Original ref: Smith, Jason. Baseball scores. Baseball Stats Consortium. 12 August 2003.
• Incorrect repair: [6]
  • Leads to:
• Correct repair: Smith, Jason. Baseball scores. Baseball Stats Consortium. 12 August 2003.
  • Leads to: Smith, Jason. Baseball scores. Baseball Stats Consortium. Pg.145. August 2003. ISBN 123-4-56-789012-3

Similarly, removing bare urls as you've done here is not really the proper way to handle the situation considering that there urls were in fact the original references for the claims. If the links are dead then they can be tagged with the deadlink template, but if they are removed then they should really be replaced with a replacement ref or a "citation needed" template.
Here, too, there are problems with at least the first reference repair you've made. Examine the effect of your edit:

• Original sentence: In 2007, Isobar was named the world's largest digital agency network by research group RECMA.[1]
• After your edit: In 2007, Isobar was named the world's largest digital agency network by research group RECMA.[1] Interactive Agency report (published February 2007)[2]

Clearly the "Interactive Agency report (published February 2007)" portion of the original ref is reference material intended to help readers determine the nature of the url used as citation, and not a separate sentence that should be added inline. Now I don't want to come off as unappreciative of your efforts. I thank you for your work cleaning up the reference because most people just ignore them or worse still they remove tags requesting ref cleanup. So I do appreciate your efforts, but I'd ask that you exercise a little more caution in dealing with them as you proceed. Sorry for the long-winded message and thanks again for your good work. -Thibbs (talk) 12:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for making my page better :)

Debayanin (talk) 19:17, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi,

Thank you for filling out my links on Monty Python's Flying Circus: The Computer Game and improving the article. I'd planned on doing it after someone put that boilerplate at the top of the article, but you probably made a better job of it than I would have. :-)

All the best! Ubcule (talk) 18:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Reflinks

How did you fix Blanka Vlašić‎? I saw the tag for the bare URLs. While I believe bare urls are sufficient (see my user page), I will run rellinks occasionally to shut up complainers. But it didn't work. It said it had been defunded. I got a dead page the last time I went to reflinks. Why does it work for you? Trackinfo (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, the easy answer is I used Reflinks. Why it worked for me, and not for you, is a mystery of the universe. I could call up Sherlock Holmes, but I believe he is dead - as if he was ever really alive. The bottom line is, I have no idea. Anyhow, I hope the article will 'pass inspection' now.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Patrick Sheehy

I noticed that you reently edited a new article on Patrick Sheehy. There are now two articles on WP, believe it or not, about the same person. This arose because of the fact that the man was a very prominent Australian Rules footballer in the 1910s,and played for Collingwood Football Club. The article was written about the footballer Maurie Sheehy by a football historian. Recently a person interested in politics wrote an entry under the name Patrick Sheehy, as the Democratic Labor Party (historical)site suggested there was no entry in WP for Patrick Sheehy. His nickname as a footballer was Maurie, but in later years he was known as Patrick.

The best way out of this would be to merge the two entries, use the original title Maurie, and put this as the name in Democratic Labor Party (historical). People in Victoria are mad about their football. Also about their television stars. They don't care much for politicians, and that's why the names of the MPs didn't reflect the fact that Sheehy was an ancient footballer.

You may not know but when television started in Australia one of the greatest stars was a gay man named Graham Kennedy. In 1957 Kennedy (who died about five years or so ago) went on a trip to the United States, and on his return to Essendon airport in Melbourne there were thousands there to greet him. Robert Menzies (later Sir Robert), Australian Prime Minister at the time, was on the same aircraft. Despite the fact that he was Prime Minister he was able to leave the plane and the airport without any recognition whatever. The crowd was there to see Graham Kennedy, and totally ignored Menzies. Incredible.124.180.178.122 (talk) 06:41, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

OK. Well, I'll take your word for it. All I did was improve the reference styling on the article - I have no knowledge nor interest in this individual. There are guidelines on the merging of articles at Wikipedia:Merging, which you are welcome to follow and effect the change. Well spotted and good luck.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:14, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Reflinks seems to introduce bad links

On this edit, some bad links got introduced, e.g. O-Ren Ishii is redirected to a wrong place. I tried to use reflinks on this page and made the same error. I don't understand why reflinks did this but it is an error in reflinks. I thought if I tagged it then someone who knows what they are doing would be able to work it correctly, but it seems you had the same problem as me. JoshuSasori (talk) 12:21, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted. Actually, it shows that I understand very little about how Reflinks works, and merely use it for the specified purpose. To be honest, you might be better taking this matter up with an admin who may have an answer/solution. Cheers,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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