User talk:Derekjoel/Fear the Fiasco
{{help me}} I need some assistance with general organization. I have attempted to make this page and has been deleted. I am a new user and realize it was probable missing quite a bit. I just put it back together on my subpage. It doesn't have most of the content, but the headings and general structure is there. With content aside, what other characteristics am I missing that would allow me to post the article?
- A few issues:
- The article contains almost no content. It'll need to have content--or just be a stub before it'll stay as an article.
- There's no real assertion of notability, specifically with regards to our guidelines on notability for musical artists and albums, as was stated in the speedy deletion notices you received on your talkpage. //roux 20:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
{{help me}} Thank you for the quick response. I'll write the content soon and go from there.
- Cool beans. Please only use {{helpme}} for asking questions. And please make sure to read and understand our notability guidelines. Thanks. //roux 20:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
{{help me}}Ok, so I am still new to posting an acceptable wikipedia page. I have placed a good amount of content on the band's main page. can i get some direction of where to go from here?
- Needs reliable sources for the things you say. I suggest adding a clear explanation of why the band is notable as well.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 00:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
{{help me}} what will it take to post this as a stub? I realize that not all the content can be sited. I'd rather cut it down and have it up there than not at all.
- It's all about notability. In order to have an article on Wikipedia, the subject must meet the notability guidelines. The simplest, most important one is the general notability guideline, which says a subject needs significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That carefully-worded phrase explains quite a lot;
- "Significant coverage" - such as, a number of news articles about the article topic - not passing mentions
- Reliable sources - well, this is defined in some detail in WP:RS, but the essence of it is - something that is generally trusted - such as the BBC, CNN, The New York Times. Books are good, too. Blog-sites are rarely reliable.
- Independent - we don't use primary sources, such as the persons own website, or their publishers/labels website, or anything like that. We avoid press-releases. We want secondary coverage - other people independently writing about the subject.
- In the case of this article, looking on the internet, I am unable to find any appropriate sources, and therefore I think it will be difficult to establish notability. I'm sorry. If a subject hasn't received reasonable coverage, then there are simply not enough facts that can be verified.
- I hope that this at least explains things a bit more. For more help, you can either;
- Leave a message on my own talk page;
OR - Use a {{helpme}} - please create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put {{helpme}}, and ask your question - remember to 'sign' your name by putting ~~~~ at the end;
OR - Talk to us live, with this or this.
- Best wishes, Chzz ► 22:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)