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Season Pages

Diesel 10, I'm asking you to please stop reverting my edits to the season pages.

I am aware that you think the old format is more detailed. This is true, but this isn't a reason to keep it. It has 'too much detail', so to speak. For instance:

• Each episode states the Michael Angelis and Michael Brandon narrated it. It's highly redundant.
• You'll notice in some of the older pages that goofs are posted. This is considered original research - something intolerable here.
• Each episode lists every character who appears. We already know who is seen in the season in the list below the episodes, and we don't need to know each and every detail about it. It only takes up space.
• The summaries are way too long and revealing. Sure, we can give away spoilers, but it would be to the convenience of other guests to have a summary that gives the necessary info only, and not ruin the story for them.
• The credits are generally the same for most seasons.

Here are some reasons to have the new format:

• All the other episode lists here have the format. It'll create better consistency.
• Brief information is much better, and easier to skim through (the TOC was fine, but we also need to take the page's size into consideration).

Your edits are good faith, but it'll be easier for all to have the new format. You can give suggestions to improve the page, but please don't revive the old summaries and notes. They only cause confusion (and, dare I say, delay) as the WikiProject strives to clean the pages.

--Rusty5 00:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Please stop writing in CAPS for your edit summaries. It's very rude, and isn't helping you.

I was unaware that these changes were going on. I do not watch the Thomas & Friends pages as there are just too many edits, 99% of which are rubbish. However, I agree with Rusty5's attempts to clean up these pages, and I think the new format is a great improvement. The level of detail present before these changes was too high for Wikipedia, and there are other sites (such as TrainSpotting World :o) ) which will allow for much greater levels of triviality...

I have also made comments on my talk page and Rusty5's in response to others' messages there.

Diesel10, I hope that you will be able to work with Rusty5 in maintaining these pages. I trust his knowledge and judgement with regard to the Season pages, having seen the quality of his contributions over many months, in the same way that I was happy for you to look after the character pages, having seen your contributions there. These changes should have been discussed first at WP:THOMAS, really, but I don't think I would have suggested anything different anyway.

EdJogg 15:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with EdJogg and Rusty5. You're just doing rubbish stuff to the guide.--S.C.Ruffeyfan 13:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Alex, this is NOT the way to build friendships here! Try some encouragement and, if you're careful, constructive criticism... EdJogg 19:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry :( S.C.Ruffeyfan 12:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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WP:RS

It is always very useful to back up your assertion of the name of the museum, and the anecdotal claim that 'about 20 years' can be reverted as it may be seen as WP:OR - always a very good idea to add text or a WP:RS that clarifies the various names..

ARHS and others have over time utilised:

Rail Transport Museum

Bassendean Rail Museum (seems to be the main flickr name for instance)

Bassendean Railway Museum

The current website for Rail Heritage also uses the longer name - see http://www.railheritagewa.org.au/museum/pages/bassendean/index.php

JarrahTree 11:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks JarrahTree, added references including the registered business name. Was asked to make this change by RHWA staff.

Diesel 10 (talk) 12:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

hahaha - in all fairness, you should not ever offer such info on wp - see WP:COI very very carefully, and also the fact that they have had in the past, the opportunity to be involved in wikipedia and showed lack of interest, if not diffidence... JarrahTree 00:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Indeead -

The point of over-doing the issue - wikipedia articles are not website pages - there are formal requirements in the processes required:

WP:LEAD is a summary of the article, not an evidence sheet - references should be in the body of the article, not the first sentence

the convention of having had different names, is to actually state them - also known as is a good way to offer info

RHWA staff in your answer is very telling - really if they had any good marketing sense, they could ask wikipedia editors for help, and a whole range of issues could be very efficiently exercised by a possible meetup/editathon - arbitrary playing with parts of the whole is ad hoc and somewhat lacking in imagination... there are numerous ways that material relating to Rail Heritage West and railway heritage of western australia could be improved and added to in a specific exercise. But then, as I say, its telling... JarrahTree

It seems you had somewhat of a negative experience with them. I too, have advocated improving the Wikipedia articles (I'd like to see the locomotive pages updated with better images for a start) but all of : my experiences have been positive. I think it's important to consider that it is a small organisation run by mostly older volunteers and one that is very much dependent on the educational materials that : they sell and attendance at the museum. As such I suppose they figure that their efforts can better be directed towards improving that material and the experience at the museum, rather than Wikipedia which : they may view as competing in some way.

I should also add that the Wikipedia page merely came up in a conversation about what the official name of the museum is .I don't think you should infer anything untoward...

Diesel 10 (talk) 03:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

wow that could be a very trickly rabbithole that one - just because there is an 'official name' exists - does not necessarily mean that there is one name better for a title of an article on wikipedia - common names and found names (aka) are as important to identify in lead paraggraphs, to facilitate a 'capture' for anyone who knows something by nick names for instance. enough.

If the conversation was on a tuesday, then the possibility is that their knowledge (attendees) could be assisted in going through some of the old pamphlets that were created in the old days before the internet - I am sure they are kept somewhere in the archive somewhere... The more current flickr name and usage is essentially a see also requirement as well.

If there is a sense of 'competition' with wikipedia, nothing could be further from the truth - the point is that wikipedia content and linkages that lead to the photo library/gallery (for instance) in fact would improve linkages rather than 'compete'. The opportunity to have found out the positive of the linkages had been a possible opportunity in the past but it was not taken.

The aged volunteer is not unique to Bassendean, worldwide rail heritage groups have the problem of ageing and dying off enthusiasts, and it is always a very positive hopeful sign to see younger newer volunteers at any of the currently existing groups on rosters or on tasks that can share with the older members .

I am very glad you have had positive experiences with a rail heritage group (any group) as in most cases they are struggling in the current environment of covid 19 and the related general restrictions.

If you have any better photos of any aspect of any heritage railway operation in western australia, and willing to share them - the wikipedia commons (and then utilised on english wikipedia) route would always be appreciated - as all too often some enthusiasts have some great material but choose other outlets. There are always pluses and minuses between the platforms,

but if you have photos you would like to share or contribute - they would be much appreciated ! JarrahTree 08:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC)