Dobyblue

February 2011

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Dobyblue (talk) 22:12, 3 February 2011 (UTC)Thanks for the welcome, three and a half years after my first contribution. Watch out for those edit wars okay? ~doby

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Dave Matthews discography

Regarding my edits to the Dave Matthews Band discography:

1. I restructured the article to try and match the style of the discography with that of other discography articles of featured list and good article quality. Take a look at some examples of featured list-level discography articles, particularly Birdman discography, the article that most closely resembles the overall style of the Dave Matthews Band discography article.
2. The Live Trax and DMBlive issues were merged together to form one overall live albums table. Generally, the only information noted for an album are its title, release date, label, catalog no. (if notable), formats, peak chart positions and certifications. As such, I did remove information regarding venues and recording dates. This information can be of interest, though: I'd suggest putting this information in an article about the overall Live Trax album series (one already exists as a redirect: Live Trax (series); perhaps that article could be restarted). The same applies to DMBlive.
3. Information about solo albums and guest appearances by each solo member belong in their respective discographies, not here. This is the same reason why DMBlive releases credited to Dave Matthews as a solo artist and not the whole band have been removed.
4. The Lillywhite Sessions is the bootleg removed from the discography. Per DISCOGSTYLE, bootlegs should not be included in discography articles, unless officially released.

The article definitely needed tweaking; some chart positions were left unreferenced, some references needed changing, and parts of the article didn't comply with the style guide. I hope you can see my points. Holiday56 (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Second response

Albums in discographies should be albums by the artists themselves - while the DMBLive series was started by the band, not all the releases in the series are by the band themselves, and don't belong in their discography per Wikipedia discography guidelines. The most appropriate place for an entire listing of the series would be an article for DMBlive.

I do understand your opinion on this issue - and I can see why DMB fans would be upset over the changes I've made. But as an experienced Wikipedia user, please understand me when I say that the discography did in fact need massive restructuring - Wikipedia does have a style for discographies, and if you'd take a look at the featured-list level discography articles I linked to in my previous message, you'd see that most of them follow the same general format.

If you'd really like an old revision of the article, I can provide you a link to one. I would then suggest that the the old revision of the article be ported over to a specific wiki for the band over at Wikia - indeed, one exists. Wikia article standards are much less restrictive than those of Wikipedia, so I can see all the old information fitting in perfectly there. I can offer some assistance in porting it over there, if you'd like.

Cheers! Holiday56 (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Third response

1. I don't see the Tom Petty discography in the list of featured list-level discography articles.
2. I am aware of the fact that in special cases, the rules can be broken - but I still don't think that DMBlive releases not by the band should be included in the article, despite the fact they were all released under the same series moniker. If we were to make an exception and include DMBlive releases credited only to Dave Matthews himself, as well as releases credited to him and Tim Reynolds, then we would also probably have to make exceptions for his solo album (Some Devil) and its accompanying singles ("Gravedigger", "Save Me" and "Oh"). His solo releases are already listed on his own solo discography.
3. If you'd really like to have the live albums separated by series, I'd suggest dropping a suggestion over at the talk page for the Dave Matthews Band discography. That way, a proper consensus can be reached amongst other Wikipedia users besides the two of us. Holiday56 (talk) 08:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Fourth response

The point I was trying to make is that both the DMBlive releases I mentioned and Some Devil are releases credited to Dave Matthews alone.

I really think this is one for the DMB discography talk page. We have contrasting opinions on this matter, so I think it would be best to let other Wikipedia users give their own opinions so that a consensus can be formed as to whether the solo Matthews DMBlive releases should be included or not. Holiday56 (talk) 12:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)