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Again, welcome! LinguisticGeek 11:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Isaac Seligman and red links

The reason I linked merchant-banking is because I felt that it would help if a reader could get an explanation of what that is. Per WP:REDLINK, red links aren't always a bad thing. They point out the potential need for an article. Since you kept removing the link, I've gone and improved it. It now points to Merchant bank. Please leave that there so that people may better understand what Seligman did for a living. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 11:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Isaac Seligman: copyright and sources

Hi there. I have a couple of questions about the copyright status and source of this content - could you answer the following? Your one inline citation references this website, which bears a copyright notice. In your citation, you use the wording: "Adapted from The Banker from Baiersdorf. All rights reserved. Copyright © Peter King Smith BSc 2009-2010 The Netherlands. The Zimapanners is the history of a 19th century Cornish count house which includes biographies of its owners, occupants and all those who had a legal interest in it. Ongoing project." So:

• Are you the author of www.zimapanners.com? (the wording "ongoing project" makes me think so). If so, you're citing and linking your own self-published original research in support of your Wikipedia article. This is a problem: see WP:NOR andWP:EL#ADV. The zimapanners website could be a supporting source, but the article needs independent published sources to support the content, or the material will be at risk of deletion. This is not a criticism of the zimapanners website, which I found fascinating, or the quality of its writing or research, which appears to be detailed and professional, but Wikipedia does not rely on original research to support content - we are a tertiary source and must use only material that has already been published in reliable sources (by the Wikipedia definition of such).

• Could you just confirm that the form of words you have used above does not mean that Peter King Smith is asserting copyright over the Wikipedia article Isaac Seligman (i.e., that the rights to the adaptation of "The Banker from Baiersdorf" are being reserved)? As it stands, the sentence could be interpreted as such. As I'm sure you're aware, no contributor can copyright Wikipedia article text, and copyrighted text cannot be added to the encyclopaedia, because all our content is released freely under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license and the GFDL. Once I'm sure the content itself is not intended to be copyrighted, I'll reword the citation accordingly and try to help look for some more online sources.

Hope this makes sense, and that you understand this is not an attack on your work; just an attempt to ensure the article complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, so it is not in danger of deletion. Many thanks for your contribution. Karenjc 15:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Reply from author of 'Isaac Seligman' (mini) biography 12 Nov 2010 (no idea whether this is the way to reply but here goes): Hi Karen, I am new to this game and have not read the rules thoroughly. I am indeed the author of the website and this particular wiki-biography. My research findings and sources are all comprehensively acknowledged in the Acknowledgement and Reference sections of my website, so that's where you can find all the independent sources listed. I assumed this should be sufficient. I was in fact asserting copyright on the material found on my website, not on the biographical summary I have supplied Wikipedia. What I have attempted to do in the reference section is to indicate with the copyright symbol that the original biography I wrote which can be found on the website www.zimapanners.com is my copyright. Hope this resolves the issue.

2. Many thanks for the compliments regarding the website. We lone researchers can always use a tap on our shoulders once in a while.

Let me know what you think and whether I am now compliant.

Hi DrStraub; yes, this is the right place and way to reply :). Congrats again on a very interesting site at www.zimapanners.com. Yes, I see your sources on your site, but because they are endnotes rather than inline citations we can't link individual assertions in the Isaac Seligman article to their actual published sources, which would be the ideal situation, hence my scrabbling around for additional published sources to support the article (in theory an article with only self-published sources risks deletion, and I believe the subject to be notable, so I want the article to stay). Like other unofficial, self-published sites, www.zimapanners.com doesn't count as a standalone reliable source in itself, unfortunately - see WP:RS - so we need to source the statements within Isaac Seligman, which I've started to try to do with the links to British History Online and Leopold's NYT obituary. Any others you could add would be great. Thanks for clarifying the copyright symbol point - if you're not asserting copyright here that's fine, but copyright symbols shouldn't be used in Wikipedia articles anyway, full stop. Take a look at refs in other articles and you'll see the format that's generally used, even for works that are still new enought to be under copyright. I've returned the reference to a more standard format, omitting postnominal honours (not normally used in references) and the copyright statement, which is unnecessary since the zimapanners website itself bears a copyright notice. It could also be argued by some nitpickers that, if you insist on the extended format that includes your copyright notice, you are in some way trying to promote or draw undue attention to yourself and your website through adding these references. I am not suggesting this is your intention, but adding links to your own site is pretty strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. If these references stay, they should be as standard and unobtrusive as possible, in order to negate any suggestion of promotion.

The other thing the article could really use is a picture. Are any of the ones on your website suitable and out of copyright? If so, consider uploading one at Wikimedia Commons - if you are interested in doing so and need any help, let me know. Kind regards, Karenjc 13:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

12-11-2010 16:00 NL time Hi Karen, sorry no photos. The ones on the website can be consulted if necessary. In any case, they are pretty poor-quality ones and the only ones I have managed to find. I, alone, have been granted permission to use them on my website, so I am afraid that I am prevented from supplying one to Wiki. I am OK about the changes that you have made so far. This is a learning curve for me. Much use was made of The Times (Archive) from 1875-1929, but these references are only verifiable for persons who open a subscription with The Times (Archive). As I say, these can all be found on my website. It would be too much work to start linking all my sources to every statement in Wikipedia as Wiki's Reference section contains a link to the original biography anyway, so in my opinion, that really ought to be sufficient, together with your additional sourcing of statements. I am quite happy to leave it there. By the way, I plan to add your positive comments about my website to its 'Feedback' section. Each Feedback comment has to be linked to a name (surname preferable but not essential) and, if possible a location, and occupation. Would you be so kind as to supply further details of yourself so I can make a standard entry? Thanks. Only comments about the site are posted, not our Wikipedia-related discussion. Thanks for all your help.

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Adding information on photo source

Can anybody assist me with how to get the Parliamentary Archive source displayed in the correct 'source' field? I have noted the remark about 'disambiguation' and I will take a look at it, thanks. DrSchaub (talk) 11:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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