Dragoon17

Jagged 85/Cleanup Thanks

Hi Dragoon17,

Thank you for your recent work on the Jagged 85/Cleanup article lists. I haven’t revisited these much since the burst of clean up work shortly after the lists were created. It is good to see someone taking the initiative to clean up some unchecked articles.Dialectric (talk) 03:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Dialectric: Hah I saw your username on the pages. It's overwhelming and there's so much to do, so I get why people kind of forgot about it. I figure I can at least chip away at it since I'm Arab and know a bit about our religion and history. Thanks and thank *you* for doing so much already. Dragoon17 (talk) 03:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

New article

Hello,

I noticed you cleaned up the Arabic music article, and was impressed with your handing of the old music sources, I wonder if you won't look at an article that I'm writing, once I get sources added.

I started History of lute-family instruments, biting off way to much, but a subject I think is important to get right. Right now the it is a cut and paste job, some of which I wrote, some not. I'm starting to write now, and will have to trim and merge sections.

For what I am now writing, I have been absorbing history books and musical instrument history books. What is coming out on the screen is the product of what I have read. Some things get sources right away and some will wait until I finish my brain dump.

When I have added the sources over the next month, would you mind looking at what I create? I don't think I take liberties with sources, but one never knows, and as I said, I think the subject will eventually be an important article. There isn't a hurry as this is an article in creation and will likely take a long time to fully flush out. Jacqke (talk) 16:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Clarification

Hi, can you clarify what you mean by this? Personally I would like to know, but editing this may help others. "Other ahadith also mention the punishment of banishment, both in connection with Umm Salama’s servant and an unnamed mukhannath who worked as a musician, to Muhammad’s displeasure". Displeasure to what and why?

I also found a lead on the Al-Nawawi source in this article, see citation 28. https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/33878881/Islam___Homosexuality.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1539484379&Signature=vnLxvcqZq1UtwX%2Bhq3I6iRbzPzU%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DThe_Homosexual_Challenge_to_Muslim_Ethic.pdf

Hadith number 2181 of Sharh Sahih Muslim may contain the quote. Maureen the Great (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Maureen the Great: Hello, it is from the cited paper (p674-676, the part beginning with "Finally, Ibn Maja..."). The individual being chastised was Amr b. Murraf and the chastisement was for being a musician by profession. I didn't wanna take up a ton of space by quoting the hadith but feel free to re-word if it is unclear, I can see how the sentence is vague now that you point it out. And ah thank you for finding that! I have found it at http://shamela.ws/browse.php/book-1711#page-3195 and actually it is basically the same thing said by the other two scholars quoted so I will go add him to the page. :) Dragoon17 (talk) 05:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I changed the wording around and added some clarifications, but please edit it some more if it is still confusing! Thanks again Dragoon17 (talk) 07:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hello Dragoon17, and thanks for your recent edit. I've also read your comment at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Jagged 85#April 2019. Are you saying that this IP might be a reincarnation of User:Jagged 85? Is it possible that a list of articles might deserve to be semiprotected? I notice there is a list at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jagged 85/Top edits. You might know which articles need the most attention. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I have blocked 175.114.190.43 (talk · contribs) and 124.213.172.194 (talk · contribs) for being open proxies, but I'm sure the editor has access to many more IPs. EdJohnston (talk) 04:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: Thanks! And yeah, there's been a recent "outbreak" of sorts, and I think it's pretty clear that there is one person behind all of the IPs, and he has been adding a lot of material deleted years ago during the cleanup. I'm going through the cleanup pages right now to see how bad the situation is. Fortunately, a lot of the pages that he significantly contributed to are semi-protected, so they haven't been impacted. I'll give an update when I'm done looking over some of the top pages. Dragoon17 (talk) 04:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

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A request

Hi,

I am looking for if some one can proactively help out in long pending verification of refs of two edits: (+2942) & (+6368) and updating @ Talk:Islamic_feminism#Islamic Feminism Jagged 85 problem resolution analysis table.

I have checked for 17 out of 19 still two significant are remaining. And now feeling bit weary -also have other focus areas to work on- but still wish task gets completed, so decision making about content and article's other related tasks can breathe with little more ease.

(More details are mentioned in earlier section of the talk page

Thanks and regards

Bookku (talk) 16:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bookku: Hey, thanks for your hard work. I saw that page and it looked like a mess. I agree with removing most of the "history" section, as linking things like a high divorce rate in the early Ottoman Empire to the "Islamic feminism" movement (or any feminism movement, really) seems extremely strange and anachronistic; a lot of the material there also had nothing to do with history at all, eg the strange mention of the Taliban and some random survey participant. The Jagged edits about pre-Islamic Arabia don't reflect modern scholarship at all, so I don't think much was lost by getting rid of them. I think the salvageable bits involving Islamic feminists' reflections on what they deem the progressive gender politics of Islam with regards to inheritance and such could be moved to a redone "Women in Islam" section, which presently is a bit of a mess. I can help with that if need be, and some can be borrowed from articles like Divorce in Islam and Islamic inheritance jurisprudence. Dragoon17 (talk) 02:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and Greetings @Dragoon17:, Thanks for your sincere appreciation. Just after recently supporting Hermeneutics of feminism in Islam when I gave look at article Islamic feminism I realized it has been silently hijacked by inserting entirely different narrative spin :) And it's difficult for novice to understand nuances unless properly clarified.

As of now looking at intention of mess in section "Women in Islam" was giving Islamist spin I changed name to Islamist views and criticism.

You can recreate "Women in Islam in Islamic feminist perspective" section. Even if you keep the section heading shorter let the first sentence be clearer that it is Islamic feminist perspective, so section will not get hijacked again easily.

Your help "..in salvaging bits involving Islamic feminists' reflections on what they deem the progressive gender politics of Islam with regards to inheritance and such could be moved to a redone "Women in Islam" section,.." is really need of time, and I sincerely thank for your proactive support and feed back.

And we will do some borrowing as you suggested. And also please feel free to improve my edits.

Thanks again and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 03:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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