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Hi Dre4sPa. Thank you for your work on Florencia Canelli. Another editor, Ldm1954, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

She has a large number of junior faculty awards, but no senior awards. Without those her notability is unclear. There are also quite a few claims that she improved experimental details which are not independently verified. I am in two minds about whether this page should be nominated for deletion.

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Ldm1954 (talk) 09:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ldm1954:

Hello Ldm1954,

Thanks for the message, and I understand your standard for including names here. Canelli is the Swiss scientific delegate on the governing body of CERN, as listed on the Swiss secretary of research and education. This is the highest level of power a scientist participating in CERN can have, as the CERN council decides everything at CERN.

https://www.sbfi.admin.ch/sbfi/en/home/research-and-innovation/international-cooperation-r-and-i/international-research-organisations/cern.html

Canelli was physics coordinator of the CMS experiment at CERN, in charge of the research program of ~3000 scientists that produce 100 publications per year. This is the highest level of physics research that a scientist on the CMS experiment can have.

https://cms-docdb.cern.ch/cgi-bin/PublicDocDB/RetrieveFile?docid=3798

She was chair of the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics particle physics division:

https://iupap.org/who-we-are/internal-organization/commissions/c11-particles-and-fields/c11-members/

The award she was given by IUPAP in 2010 is only given to 2 particle physicists per year, as judged by an international committee out of consideration of all particle physicists. This is not a small award, and she received this award when she was 37 years old:

https://iupap.org/who-we-are/internal-organization/commissions/c11-particles-and-fields/c11-awards/

She has more than 1800 validated works:

https://orcid.org/0000-0001-6361-2117

She has an h-index of 197, which means she has 197 publications with at least 197 references.

https://inspirehep.net/literature?sort=mostrecent&size=25&page=1&q=a%20Maria.Florencia.Canelli.1&ui-citation-summary=true

Besides these academic achievements, she is also featured in a number of news articles. The Swiss news magazine Blick did a featured article on her, and she was interviewed about the future of CERN below.

https://www.blick.ch/life/wissen/naturwissenschaften/cern-physikerin-florencia-canelli-ueber-lehren-aus-der-pandemie-wissenschaft-ist-keine-glaubenssache-id17566802.html

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/cern-die-13-milliarden-teure-weltmaschine-von-genf-468704385622

Her opinion is sought after in Nature articles:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04545-z

https://cosmosmagazine.com/science/physics/higgs-boson-decay-to-z-boson/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-021-01249-5

I believe she meets the standard for notability as listed on the web page: Wikipedia:Notability (academics).

2. She has won a prestigious international award.

6. She holds a high-level appointed position in the governing of CERN, and has held a high-level appointed position managing the research output of 3000 scientists from 150 international institutions.

The points about her scientific impact on the community are a bit harder to reference, since particle physics publications use alphabetical author lists. However, the 2010 award tagline indicates that the community respects her for advancement in techniques:

https://www.interactions.org/press-release/iupap-awards-young-scientist-prize-particle-physics

So please let me know how I can better improve the page to make it clear that Canelli is a notable academic. Dre4sPa (talk) 13:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The key thing not to do is make points here. You have to carefully include high importance points (without bragging) into the page. Think carefully about what is routine WP:MILL. For certain being asked for her opinion is not that notable. And be careful, there are some editors who just delete material from BLP.

N.B., since she has team papers her h-factor and pubs are highly inflated compared to academics who publish papers with 2-3 coauthors. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ldm1954:

Thanks for the advice: it gives me some ideas on how to make a stronger case. Dre4sPa (talk) 14:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to ping me with questions -- but I have to leave the editing to you. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ldm1954: I have modified the first paragraph to point out the non run-of-the-mill reasons why this person needs a wikipedia page, and to reference more external sources including news. Does this look better? Thanks for the help! Dre4sPa (talk) 15:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I like what you did, but I think you need a gentle sentence or two first, e.g. see Martin J. Lercher, Edward Karavakis or George C. Schatz.

N.B., none of her awards or leadership has a citation to verify it -- in principle they should all be deleted. Ldm1954 (talk) 15:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)