Dufaer

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Standard ArbCom notice on Gender and sexuality

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in gender-related disputes or controversies or in people associated with them. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

Newimpartial (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

MOS:GENDER is like any other MOS. Either you abide by it, or end up getting blocked or banned for going against it. One may or may not like it, but that's the way it is. GoodDay (talk) 03:52, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

November 2021

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Acroterion (talk) 02:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Other accounts?

I noticed this post: [1]. I am wondering if you have had any other Wikipedia accounts, given that you seem to have experience with this site going back to 2006 but this account is only 5 years old. Are any of those accounts currently blocked or banned? HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 02:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

No.

And I frankly find these suspicions insulting.

It turn out people find Wikipedia before they make accounts for it. Indeed, many never do the latter. I made my account, when I finally found something that I could not ignore - a mangled math proof that would probably never have gotten corrected if left alone. And I realized that I could just fix it by making a bloody account.

As it turn out, I found out about the about Wikipedia's descend into deletionism from this [[2]] excellent article quite a few years. A very interesting read. Turns out, history is partly archived on the Web and you can learn about events in great detail long after they took place.

Now, User:Acroterion has told me that unless I stopped my discussion in a talk page in a topic just started and had just declared finished, I could get branded with with a "disruptive behavior" block, whatever that is.

I immediately agreed. And he gave me the bloody thing anyway! I don't even know whether I can get rid of it.

I am fuming here.

I have been civil and assumed good faith in all my messages. I learned all the user interfaces and bloody syntax for linking and formatting today - I still don't know whether there is a WYSIWYG page editor (though I think I have used one in the past). I have crawled through a mountain of RfC discussion, invested time.

And at the end of the day, I get branded for wanting the word "censorship" in my title for my questions about censorship and getting mildly upset, when told that I could not "lawyer" my way through the guidelines and policies and had to instead rely on "consensus".

How do I learn consensus? By craving through through mountains of discussion or by talking to people or by making edits and getting them called out. But the latter two can get me another "block" or whatever, I see. And I do not physically have the time to crawl through through talk pages gleaning the "consensus".

Today, on Wikipedia, I wanted to fix one thing - missing names - and get on with my day. But as I attempted to work withing the system you got here to a thing I regarded as common sense done, I got a rather shitty experience.

I am starting to find this community not-quite-welcoming to an editing newbie like me, to put it mildly.

I am a bit concerned that people with these attitudes are in control of my most broad information source. Maybe I should try a different language Wikipedia instead?

(BTW, am I allowed to soapbox here on my "own" talk page, or will I get another warning or whatever for this very post?)

Dufaer (talk) 03:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@HighInBC:Seriously how do I get rid of that stupid block. I really think my behavior did not warrant it. Especially in light of the fact that I have never before used the talk pages and am unaware of whatever etiquette I apparently broke.

Dufaer (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

What block? This account has never been blocked.

You are free to remove anything from your talkpage except declined block requests for active blocks.As for the ease or lack thereof of the mechanics of editing Wikipedia: yes, it's crap.

We issue warnings to editors for a reason - patience is not infinite for editors who use Wikipedia to express personal points of view, especially where they pertain to matters of longstanding consensus pertaining to biographies of living persons, or topics that have seen repeated disruption. We are unconcerned with whether you're "fuming." Your'e entitled to ask what the consensus is. Having received a response and advice to review the discussion that led to that consensus,your demands that "censorship" be included in the comment header don't give anyone the impression that you're taking consensus or BLP seriously. As for your interest in "deletionism," that's a throwback to 2006, which makes us wonder whether you participated back then, as it was a common trope at the time. Acroterion (talk) 04:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I think I will be taking a long vacation from at least any BLP-related talk page business. It does not seem to be worth the trouble. And you should watch Futurama - at least the part before the show got cancelled in 2003. It's really quite good. Dufaer (talk) 05:22, 26 November 2021 (UTC)