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Error concerning carver of pedimental sculpture, "Destiny," on the National Archives Building, Wash, D.C.

Hello. I'm a newbie and am requesting help in correcting the name of the carver of the pedimental sculpture, "Destiny," on the National Archives Building. The Wiki article says the carver is Edward A. Ratti. The actual carver is Edward Ardolino. Unfortunately, the source, which is SIRIS, incorrectly shows Ratti as the carver. I emailed SIRIS to request a correction and am awaiting a response. My source is George Gurney, Sculpture and the Federal Triangle, Smithsonian Institution Press, 1985, pp. 198, 223, and 238. As you can see, Gurney cites Ardolino as the carver in three separate places, and, moreover, states that the sculptor was so pleased with Ardolino's work that he invited him to sign it. Gurney goes on to say that nowhere else in the Federal Triangle does the name of a carver appear. Would one of you experienced editors be willing to walk me through making this edit? I would be appreciative. Thanks. --E54495a (talk) 03:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi I would be more than happy to help you here. First of all, you need to make the article that you are working on a link. I have not checked yet, but I assume that the article is National Archives Building. I am familiar with the folks and sources that you mention and will check them but what you say here makes sense. I can also probably help you in your dealings with SIRIS. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I went to the National Archives Building and there is no mention of Ratti or Ardolino, so what article are you referring to? Carptrash (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for offering to help. The article I would like to edit is Pedimental Sculptures in the United States. In the table under the National Archives Building, the incorrect name of the carver appears. How do I make the article on a link? I thought I could just click on edit. But then again, I would need to footnote Gurney because the SIRIS citation in incorrect for now.--E54495a (talk) 16:33, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I just found it. When you want to talk about an article make it a link. Like this. Pedimental sculptures in the United States. That way we can go right to it. Do you know how to do that? Carptrash (talk) 17:03, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, if you put something, anything, on your user page then your user name will change into a blue link rather than being the red one that it is now. This suggests to others, or at least to me, that you are not the dead end that red links on wikipedia suggest and that perhaps you are even a serious editor who intends to stay around. The "user page" tab at the top left of this page will change color too after you add something to the user page, because now there is something there.

If you click on "edit this page" first note the ::: that are used at the beginning of a new reply to indent it for easier reading. Then notice that a link, as in to Pedimental sculptures in the United States is created by adding [[ on either side of it to create Pedimental sculptures in the United States. The secret to editing wikipedia is to be able to spot the code, or whatever it is called, while in the "edit this page" view. You need to be able to do this because once you get into something like the chart that you are trying to change it is pretty complicated. In order to add a reference you do this. and plop iti in after Ardolino's name. Carptrash (talk) 17:29, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the guidance. I added something to my User Page as you suggested. Since you already made the link to Pedimental sculptures in the United States on this page, I guess I don't have to do it again. Thanks. My next question is about the citation. You used superscript 1 in your example. Should I use 23 as that would be the next numbered footnote to follow Destiny 22? Or should I just use 1 and the program will automatically change it to 23? I was planning to click on edit source, go into the chart, delete Ratti's name, substitute Ardolino, and then enter the superscript and citation. Is this the best course? Or is there an easier way? Thanks again for your patience with these questions. --E54495a (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I think what you have outlined will work fine, you do not need to worry about numbering references, wikipedia will do that for you. Are you considering doing an article on Edward Ardolino? A good place for your first article. Carptrash (talk) 00:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I am. But I believe the guidelines stipulate I must first make eight more edits after this one. I drafted the article in Word and plan to enter it into my Sandbox when ready. Thanks again for your advice. --E54495a (talk) 05:37, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Please let me know when you have it sandboxed, I'd be happy to look it over since I first learned about Ardolino in about 1985 and can probably add a few sources to whatever you have. Of course you might already have whatever I come up with but it never hurts to check. Carptrash (talk) 18:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for your offer. Might try to get my edits in first. --E54495a (talk) 10:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Possibly needing assistance with edits to another article

Hello, again. Still a newbie. I have a couple of edits under my belt and am attempting to surpass 10. Am requesting guidance, though. I'm planning to edit an article entitled Ocean Township, Ocean County, New Jersey. I plan to add content to History and Geography, also a new heading entitled Parks and Recreation with content, and another new heading entitled Points of Interest with content. My major concern is about footnoting. Some of my citations are websites, governmental and otherwise. URLs are often long and don't always work, so I'm thinking of entering the name of the website, followed by a button if needed, and the date retrieved. This may be unorthodox. The user would have to Google the named website. I tried this, and the desired website generally comes up first. Your opinion, please? If recommending an alternative method, please be specific as to how I should proceed. Thanks. --E54495a (talk) 00:17, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Here is how I do web references. (By the way "footnotes" are something different and are rarely used on wikipedia.) Do the standard reference format and put the URL in it. Then go to https://tools.wmflabs.org/refill/ , maybe you have to sign up, in which case do so. Then you enter the wikipedia article that you are working on and the web site cleans up the citation and fixes it for you. I have a cheat sheet that I keep in a file on my desktop that has that address, the way to generate columns, how to format the second and third time you use a reference, and other stuff like that. I suggest that you do something along that line too. Happy editing. Carptrash (talk) 01:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Also, if you are in that place in NJ I notice that there are no photographs in the article, so take some and discover the joys (and sorrows) of posting pictures on wikipedia. DO NOT USE SOMEONE ELSE'S PICTURES. Also I find the sentence, "As of 2016, Township Committee members are Mayor Dennis F. Tredy (R, term on committee and as mayor ends December 31, 2016), Deputy Mayor Christina "Tina" Wetter (R, term on committee ends 2017; term as deputy mayor ends 2016) and Daniel Collamer (R, 2018)." so you might want to consider getting rid of the 2016 and 2017 stuff and updating it all to 2018. Carptrash (talk) 01:47, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your response. Before seeing it, I made a few edits to said article. Seems OK, except that References 27-31 are repeats and need to be shown correctly. Same for References 32 and 34 (but not 33, which is different). You mention you have a cheat sheet that tells how to format the second and third time you use a reference. Your help on this would be greatly appreciated. Hope I'm not a bother, but this is a new world and I'm learning. Thanks again. --E54495a (talk) 05

14, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no idea why my last edit on this page came out in bold. --E54495a (talk) 05:20, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Remember when you are not sure of something, check the code (or whatever) as seen in the editing mode. Had yo done so you might have noticed that instead of 3 of these ":" you used three of these ";". When you use a semi colon instead of a colon at the beginning of an answer it puts the whole section in bold. And you are not being a bother. One thing many editors enjoy doing is mentoring new editors that they feel might be real editors. I have been accused of being hard on new editors that I think/feel arer here to push agendas, and this is a fact. Anyway mydoog is demanding a walk, so I'll check the article and get back to you shortly. Carptrash (talk) 16:26, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I have been having a great time finding and putting wikilinks into your article but can't quite figure out how to do the repeat reference thing. What I use for repeat books (most of the referencing I do comes out of my own library so mostly it's books) looks like this, with "svn" being some code, Smith being the author, 2005 is the published date and p= is the page number. Since your references don't have an author, date or page number it does not seem the way to go, though might be? Finding another article who deals with this format or going to the teahouse, where folks are both very nice and actually knowledgeable is a good idea. Carptrash (talk) 17:22, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Nicely done, looking and sounding a bit like a PR piece for the Ocean County Department of Parks and Recreation but that's okay. Carptrash (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Just want to let you know in my last summary of changes for this article Ocean Township, Ocean County, New Jersey, I thought four references (other editors') were unintentionally changed. But once I clicked Publish, these offending numbers disappeared, so all seems well. Yes, about the bolding, I saw that later in a tutorial and attribute my error to extreme eyesight fatigue. (!) Thanks for putting wikilinks into the article. Much appreciated. I have one more heading to add, and that's Points of Interest with three entries. It's been harrowing to say the least, so thanks for your support. On the article I plan to create, I think I'll try using Article Wizard. I imagine the formatting will be easier that way. --E54495a (talk) 18:22, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

I am something of a luddite in computer matters and have no idea what Article Wizard might be, but give it a try and see what happens. One tip about new articles, when you have it done, just publish it, don't go asking for anyone's permission or approval. Also let me know and I will look it over. One key to a successful article is making links from other articles to it. It sometimes takes bait of thinking to figure it out, but when you get it done that really cements the article in place. Happy hunting, Carptrash (talk) 20:37, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Help me!

Urgent! How do I save my changes on my sandbox page where I am drafting a new article? When I click on Save My Changes, nothing happens. I believe I must Save My Changes before clicking on Publish These Changes. There is an X to the left of Save My Changes. I don't want to click it if it will erase my changes!

Please help me with... advising me how to Save My Changes on my sandbox page ASAP, so I can Publish My Changes and Log Out. Thanks!

E54495a (talk) 09:32, 2 February 2020 (UTC) E54495a (talk) 09:32, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

"Publish changes" does not mean 'publish this to the encyclopedia'. It is equivalent to 'save changes'. Note that editing this page requires you to 'publish changes'. The button used to say 'save changes', but it was changed for legal reasons. The Wikimedia Foundation needed to make editors aware that anything they save to Wikipedia on any page whatsoever will be visible to the public(even if not a part of the encyclopedia, like a talk page or sandbox). When you click publish changes it just saves your edit. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

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E54495a, good luck, and have fun. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:53, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

End notes

Use the following: {{efn-ua|}} ==References== ===Notes=== {{Reflist|group=upper-alpha}} See White Shoal Light (Michigan) for how to place and use those. You put the citation to the source within the efn-ua template. It is the Matryoshka principle applied.7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:45, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

{{efn-ua|name=NoteA|Documented on the business letterhead of Edward Ardolino in the Lee Lawrie Papers, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.}} is how they fixed the notes. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Edward Ardolino

Hello! Your submission of Edward Ardolino at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! --evrik ^(talk) 19:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Ardolino

On 20 April 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Edward Ardolino, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Edward Ardolino sculpted and carved Art Deco architectural works including the central Los Angeles Public Library and the Nebraska State Capitol? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Ardolino. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Edward Ardolino), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)