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October 2014

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October 2014

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OK, sorry, I didn't think anybody would care about an empty page - I have now left a note on the Talk page of the page on "sewage sludge" to explain why I removed the redirect from there to the page called "sludge". EvM-Susana (talk) 22:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

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Helminthiasis

It is better to talk on personal talk pages for the points your raised on Talk:Helminthiasis. Firstly, I have restored the -isis part, and thanks for the concern. Secondly, your edits in helminths are very good. But then the rest of the article is terrible. For example, it still misses the most crucial information—the actual helminths! It rather looks like children's assignment report. Thirdly, I think you mildly agree agree with me on my moving of "History of deworming campaigns" to Deworming#History of deworming campaigns, and I return the agreement that we need a history on helminthiasis. But I believe, as the title explicitly says, that the moved history section is entirely about deworming, not the disease, and that it better stays there. In fact the history of helminthiasis should be a major component in pages such as the disappointing Helminthology, and (a rather outrageous mention there in) Parasitology. Another thing is, helminthiasis article is still awfully human-centric, not a passing mention of animal (non-human) diseases. For now my main concern is tidying its haphazard and unencyclopaedic nature. Your contributions are valuable. Keep up the good work. Chhandama (talk) 09:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. My background is in sanitation (lack of sanitation being one of the root causes of this disease!), and I think it would be great if we get some more medical experts on board (are you from the medical side, Chhandama?) to improve these articles (and there are quite a few) in connection with helminths. There is still a lot of work to be done, I agree! When we discuss content of the articles, it is better on the talk pages of the articles, rather than on my talk page, isn't it?

The page on parasitology makes reference to this article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC126866/ - looks like we could get information about of there about the history of helminthiasis. EvM-Susana (talk) 10:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

• Actually you should have written those 2 comments on my talk page because you specifically addressed me, and not so relevant to others. Don't hesitate to write on other's talk page, most Wikipedians are nice guys. About the history, there is a huge load of resource, and yes Cox is one of the best historians on the subject. I do have his papers, and some very good books on Parasitology are right here on my shelf. But I am very lazy to write them myself. You are more enthusiastic, so give it a start. By the way, I am a zoologist, all about creepy-crawly things, with keen interest in the history of science. Chhandama (talk) 11:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Your experience with Wikipedia so far

Hello EvM-Susana,

I am conducting research about newcomers to Wikipedia and I was hoping to ask you some questions. I’ve noticed you’ve had some good activity recently. Is there any chance you have time in the next month to speak with me? If you are interested or have any questions, please email me at gmugar [at] syr.edu or leave a message on my talk page.

I hope to be in touch soon,

Gabrielm199 (talk) 23:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Copy and pasting

One of your edits appear to be copy and pasted from another source. We at Wikipedia usually require paraphrasing. If you own the copyright to this material please send permission for release under a CC BY SA license to permissions-en@wikimedia.org per WP:CONSENT.LeadSongDog come howl! 21:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for alerting me to this. Sorry, I am still new to Wikipedia, so I am still learning. What happens if the source that I am citing has expressed a certain thought so well that I would like to use it word for word rather than paraphrasing into my own words? Would you recommend that I put it into quotation marks in that case - is that allowed? Can I mark it clearly as a "quote"? I worry that if I paraphrase it will sound less good than in the original text...

And in some cases, I have copied sentences from publications that I have written myself together with other authors - doees that make a difference or is the issue still the same? All documents where I copy from are copyright free and due to the nature of our work (raising awareness on sanitation), people like their information to be spread, provided the sources is cited, which I always do.

And I am hoping that any paraphrasing will happen over time when other users start to edit and modify sentences that I have written on pages which barely existed before, so that it becomes a multi-authored document. Would that be likely to happen? EvM-Susana (talk) 21:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes so copyright is complicated.

It is best to nearly always put the text in your own words. Yes we do realize that this means that Wikipedia looks less polished than many professional texts. But what is most important IMO is the information.

Small amount of text can be put into quotes. Large amounts of text in quotes also can be an issue though.

If you have written text, own the copyright to it, and wish to release this text under a CC BY SA license than email me and I can help you do this.

If the sources you have copied from are already CC BY SA then there should not be an issue IMO. You just need to indicate in the edit summary that this is word for word form the source and the source in under a compatible license. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 22:04, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Just to make sure I fully understand it: what happens if I copy a sentence word for word from the source and mention this in the edit summary. But later someone modifies the wording and ultimately it is no longer a word for word citation? This is likely to happen with multi-authored articles? Also just to be clear for example this is a document that I have co-authored and where I want to draw information from (without always having to paraphrase each sentence): http://www.susana.org/en/resources/library/details/874

It has no explicit statement on copyright but in general all these publications which have been created as part of the SuSanA work are following the "open source" concept: "All SuSanA materials are freely available following the open-source concept for capacity development and non-profit use, so long as proper acknowledgement of the source is made when used. Users should always give credit in citations to the original author, source and copyright holder." In any case, I will try to use more my own words then. EvM-Susana (talk) 08:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Per this line "freely available following the open-source concept for capacity development and non-profit use" appears to mean that they are CC BY SA NC rather than CC BY SA. We need the later as the former is not open enough. If it was CC BY SA you would indicate that in your edit summary. People would then see that when they look through the history. If someone changes it this change would also be recorded in the history so all good. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 08:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Was stopping by and saw this conversation. As a veteran of a few copyright cleanups, I urge you to never copy and paste anything without complete, thorough attribution to the original source, and when possible avoid doing it at all. There are two things here, copyright and plagiarism; even if something is public domain, it still can be plagiarized. So to be safe always cite everything with a footnote, and put anything directly quoted in quotes. I'm not sure how the rules work for releasing your own work under a free license, and if that allows you (or anyone else) to do a copy and paste, but I presume attribution is still needed. Where you are using your own material, there can be WP:COI problems, but talk to User:Moonriddengirl for advice; she's the copyright guru around here. Hope this helps! Montanabw^(talk) 08:09, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Please, you must stop these copypastes. You should use only your own words to describe the ideas found in the cited sources. This cannot be allowed to continue. LeadSongDog come howl! 21:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I understand and will try harder. I am still learning the ropes of Wikipedia, have only been with it for one month. Let me take these two bullet points as an example: I cited where they are from and they read like this (in their words):

• an enabling environment for political commitment

• a scaled-up series of cost-effective nutrition interventions

If I now changed them to the following, would that be sufficient?:

• an environment that enables political commitment

• a series of nutrition interventions that are cost-effective and have been scaled up

If still not sufficient, would it have to be like this: ?

• a kind of environment where political commitment can thrive

• several nutrition interventions that are low cost and have been been multiplied to reach many people --> or even (suggestion came in by e-mail) "When a number of nutritional changes are applied on a large scale the cost for the amount of benefit is relatively small." (but I would argue that "changes" is not the same as "interventions")

I could quite easily do that if needed, however what if I by mistake modify the meaning too much and the people whom I have cited will say later "that was not what we meant, please cite us correctly and not in your own words which changed the meaning too much?". EvM-Susana (talk) 22:38, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I've got some sympathy to the Catch-22 you are in. Law sometimes has similar issues, where the change of a word may alter meaning significantly. (My favorite is the distinction between "must' and "shall"). Also, and quite common, is for a certain way of saying something just embedding itself in your brain and not letting go! Here's my advice:

1. Where it is a sentence or so, and precise meaning is critical, put it in quotes (with a full citation immediately following).
2. Never copy and paste ANYTHING unless you are putting it in quotes! Avoid the temptation!
3. Technical language is appropriately stated a certain way, but should be used for words or 2-3 word terms, not whole phrases or sentences as a general rule.
4. Ping someone to give the material a second set of eyes, that can help you think of ways to rephrase without altering meaning.

Hope this helps! Montanabw^(talk) 22:38, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

If you want to edit from a copy/paste, the best place to do that is in your sandbox first. Then when it's completely paraphrased you can move it en masse to the article. Thereby you avoid any copy problems. You also avoid other editors stepping on your incompleted product. Be aware also that "close copying" is different than you might otherwise think it to be. Changing a few words here and there won't save you. The Copyvio people have an extenuated version, which looks at whether the structure is similar. (I'm not making this up.) Anyway, I don't want you to be entrapped. Forewarned is forearmed. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

You've copy pasted from Susana.org to composting toilet. The terms of the license shown there are quite vague. In such cases the usual rule against copy pasting still applies. Just Don't Do It. Please revert yourself promptly. LeadSongDog come howl! 02:49, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know which sentence(s) you are referring to? SuSanA.org is a website and I have not copied anything from the website. Please be more specific then I can take the appropriate action? EvM-Susana (talk) 10:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

This edit was a direct lift from this source. LeadSongDog come howl! 18:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, now I know what you mean. The library pages of the SuSanA library are meant to be under a CC BY SA licence, I guess that wasn't clear. I have added that now towards the bottom of this page: The information on this page is provided under a CC BY SA licence. Is that sufficient? Apart from that further paraphrasing can be done if needed (some modifications from the original text have already been made anyhow) but I think with this right licence no further paraphrasing is needed, right? EvM-Susana (talk) 20:35, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, that does help with the copyright issue. For clarity, it's best when indicating that license to provide a link to the full text, such as CC BY-SA 3.0 License. When citing such sources in WP articles, it helps to say so in your wp:Edit summary. Of course, it's still not a wp:RS, but at least it's legal. Thank you for clearing that up.LeadSongDog come howl! 22:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks for these additional points, I will certainly keep that in mind and act accordingly in future, thanks. EvM-Susana (talk) 22:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

thanks

I don't pay attention to Planetary Boundaries much as I'd like to. Thanks for efforts at improving quality there. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:38, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Sewage sludge treatment

I suggest you find additional support for your contention that Phosphorus recovery from sludge is far more advanced than the other "emerging" technologies. All of the other listed emerging technologies have separate articles establishing their notability, while phosphorus recovery does not. Emerging technologies include numerous proprietary contenders seeking to establish dominance by means of placement within comprehensive Wikipedia articles. Adherence to neutrality and verifiability are important to prevent the appearance of conflict of interest. Thewellman (talk) 01:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, will take a look for more references on this topic. Just because the "emerging technology" called Omni-process as its own (small) page does not mean it is more notable than the concept of phosphorus recovery from sewage sludge... - which is actually a range of technologies, not a single one. The only reason why they haven't gone to full scale yet in many places is because phosphorus is still too cheap so it is not yet economical to extract it from sewage sludge but that will change... Anyhow, I will try to add more content there. EvM-Susana (talk) 12:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Hang in there!

Hi there,

I arrived on your talk page after reading your comments on the overlinking discussion. I see that some of the feedback you're getting here is quite harsh. If you start feeling like Wikipedia is an unfriendly place, drop a note on my talk page.

Slashme (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Working on behavior change

Hi E, it is me JT. I am still working on it ;) JMWt (talk) 08:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

re Defecation

Hi,

Would you mind if that image is somewhat smaller at least? As it is, it dominates the whole page, kind of making a (disgusting to me) joke of the whole article. It could be made much, much smaller instead of the largest image in the article. I didn't mean to offend you! Best wishes, EChastain (talk) 23:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC).

Hi, thanks for the note. I will move this to the talk page of the article defecation so we can discuss it further there. Thanks again. EvM-Susana (talk) 07:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

thanks!

Hi,

I really appreciate any information you add to sanitations articles explaining these process, as you did on composting toilet, and especially the variations from country to country on the meanings of terms. My editing on them (especially since I know nothing about all this, being a psychologist) is geared to using simple wording.

I looked at your wonderful images on flickr. They've all on the Commons already? I can sort according to toilet-type (if I can figure it out), country etc., and the English wikipedia is my main source, since I read French and Spanish poorly and no German, a mystery language to me. This WikiProject Sanitation is very worthy. Wish I were capable of contributing more. EChastain (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, EChastain thanks for your words of appreciation! My quest it to convince my fellow sanitation colleagues to also add their knowledge to Wikipedia - some of them might even be able to do it during working hours if they convince their employers! If you are a psychologist, perhaps you can help with the page on behavior change (public health). This is very important for sanitation, I have also tagged it for the Wikiproject Sanitation; pschologist are actually key for sanitation - have you checked out the article on community-led total sanitation, which needs more work, too. It's about shame and disgust as a motivating driver. - About the photos, well every 4-6 months we run a bot over the flickr photo collection and what has been added since then is then transferred to Commons. The last time we ran this bot was 5 Feb (a Wikipedian called Fae does it). I don't know if it's really worth sorting by toilet type? There is more than just toilets, there is also treatment plants for example... I have only contributed to the English wikipedia so far. I could do the German one, too, but I didn't like the initial experience I had there (no beta editor and no immediate edits are possible). So I stick to the English version for now. EvM-Susana (talk) 22:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Looking at Community-led total sanitation, it's really a mess. It needs a total rewrite, and knowing wikipedia, I'd be reverted every step of the way. And I don't have any sources. Plus there's such a misunderstanding about psychology. I don't think you need a psychologist to convince people to abandon open defecation as much as the provision of adequate resources and living standards to enable them to do so.

About CLTS let's discuss this further on the talk page of the article. JMWt recently worked on that page (I also gave some inputs) and there is no danger of an "editing war". However, I think you might enjoy first reading our previous discussions on CLTS here: http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/5-clts-community-led-total-sanitation-and-other-community-led-approaches . One might think that it's only about providing nice toilets and then people will use them. But the reality is different. Villagers should not wait for outsiders to build toilets for theme, they should jump into action (after "triggering") and build their own toilets. This is what CLTS is all about and it's got a lot to do with psychology... See also here previous discussions: http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/71-behaviour-change-and-user-psychology-issues EvM-Susana (talk) 07:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I have been trying to sort other images such as "Bioreactors", " Anaerobic baffled reactors‎" , various "Waste management" categories etc., but I don't know the right names to make categories for many images. The categories for all images related to "sanitation" "sustainable environment" "sustainable agriculture" etc. are a mess. There are overlapping categories and strangely named categories. And almost none of the images are actually in articles, or the same one will be used over and over, as articles are copied from one language to another. Many are just left "uncategorised", or they're buried under some obscure name like "Ghana in 2002". Or they're just wrong, like in a plant category when it's a sanitation building. I've found relevant pics in huge blocks of images under a city or town, or country's name totally unsorted. If there were adequate articles on wikipedia, I could put a description at the top of each category, but it's hard to find related articles on wikipedia. Mostly they're not there. The Commons is better for learning, I find. Fae does a wonderful job, but unfortunately he doesn't categorise; sanitation images are "tagged" with generic categories that confuses things, so that no one on the Commons will tackle them. Sadly. EChastain (talk) 00:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for these explanations. Is the Commons the same as "Wikimedia Commons"? Perhaps I can help with the categorising work, I am not sure. Might be best to discuss it further by e-mail? You will easily find my e-mail address via Google :-). EvM-Susana (talk) 07:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Summary of Gastroenteritis article - handwashing question

Not sure we need either diligent or frequent. We can just say "handwashing with soap". The specifics of what proper handwashing is can than go on the subpage handwashing.

Thoughts? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

OK. Sometimes no adjective is better than one that we cannot agree on. Rather have no adjective than "regular" like it was before...

(In the lead of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastroenteritis ) EvM-Susana (talk) 21:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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I've removed myself from the project. I'll only work on articles if there's a collaborative atmosphere. So good luck! EChastain (talk) 21:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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Helminths

Click on the Helminths article and go to the bottom where it says:

You'll notice that it goes nowhere interesting, and doesn't even include the images already in the article. That's why it pays to learn how to handle the Commons. Best, EChastain (talk) 22:23, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

What do I have to do to add the helminth photos that were transferred from the SuSanA flickr account to Commons into the right category on helminths in Commons? EvM-Susana (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

questions about members of your organisation

Is JMWt a member of your organisation? It's beginning to seem that way to me. Please be careful of conflict of interest and WP:Meatpuppet. (You said before that you were trying to get other members of your organisation to edit.) You have a strong POV and seem to promote your organisation. You're editing articles in a way that makes it impossible for "outside" editors to edit them also, like using obscure "named references" that are virtually impossible to decipher. And you immediately change anything that another editor dares to add. It would be better if you and JMWt were collaborative, especially with editors who may disagree with you. Controlling "your" articles with an iron fist is not best for the encyclopaedia. Thanks, EChastain (talk) 23:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

SuSanA has nearly 4500 members (see www.susana.org). Are you saying that being a member of SuSanA disqualifies one from writing objectively about the topic of sanitation?? Isn't it a good thing if people who know and care about sanitation edit Wikipedia articles that have sanitation topics? And isn't it a good thing that the 10,000+ sanitation related photos which SuSanA put together (contributed by hundreds of difference people) are available firstly in SuSanA's flickr account and secondly in the Commons of Wikipedia for people to use in Wikipedia articles? What is wrong with SuSana having set up a library of 2000 publications about sanitation (again from hundreds of different authors and organisations)? There are PhD theses in there, MSc theses, reports, documents by WHO etc etc. which can also be found on other websites but having them together in one location in the library is convenient. Yes, it does give them a URL where the word "susana" appears. Is that a problem? Let me take this example, it is a PhD thesis by Charles Niwagaba: http://www.susana.org/en/resources/library/details/703 The link gives you access to the pdf file of his thesis. If you put the title of his thesis into Google, you are likely to find the same document in the repository of the university where he did his thesis (SLU in Sweden). Now would the URL to that other location be better in your eyes than the URL to his thesis in the SuSanA library?

And please give me one example of where I have used an "obscure "named references" that are virtually impossible to decipher"? Is this one in your eyes:  ? Honestly, I really think you are barking up the wrong tree here. Our intentions are to improve the content that is in Wikipedia about sanitation-related topic, not some kind of lobbying work if that's what you think. For this we have created the WikiProject Sanitation, as you know. Just like doctors are trying to improve the WikiProject Medicine, like Doc_James - who by the way, has been encouraging of my work from the first day and who can assure you of my good and professional intentions - we have here sanitation people who are trying to improve sanitation-related content on Wikipedia.

And we are not controlling "our" articles with an iron fist - many people have edited them and we have not reverted their edits (why should we? This is what Wikipedia is all about). We also have not reverted 90% of your edits. But when you add wrong information like "published by SuSanA" for a document that is a PhD thesis that has nothing to do with SuSanA, but just happens to be located in the SuSanA library, then I have to revert your edit, because it was simply NOT published by SuSanA, just uploaded to the SuSanA library so that it can be more easily found in one location. You will find it also if you do a Google search on another location. EvM-Susana (talk) 10:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

References

SuSanA doesn't have a point of view other than promoting sustainable sanitation, and certainly does not have a collective view on CLTS. References are, by their nature, obscure, this is why we have an encyclopedia trying to simplify them for non-specialist reader. Nobody can ensure that everything you read on in a referenced source is able to be understood by a casual reader, that's absurd. I wrote much of the CLTS and I have been trying to portray various different opinions - held by SuSanA members and other professionals - about it, together with a non-specialist explanation of the history and use of the term. This is an entirely legitimate activity for an encyclopedia. Given I haven't said my opinions anywhere on wikipedia about the topic, I fail to see how you can possibly be arguing it is promoting my POV - other than my view that there ought to be a page on CLTS on wikipedia explaining what it is. I am tired of communicating with someone who only wants to add incorrect information because they can't be bothered to read the sources for themselves. I don't have anything else to say and I do not need to prove my credentials to anyone. JMWt (talk) 11:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Neither WP:COI nor meat puppetry apply in this case. User:JMWt and User:EvM-Susana you may edit per usually. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos Torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos Torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Leachate

I don't know whether your experience extends to landfill leachate, but if it does I would welcome an independent view on a recent flurry of edits at Leachate and also on the talk page there. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   22:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:Food & Drink

Hello, You posted a question on the Food and Drink WikiProject member's talk page that really should have been on the main Project talk page. I moved and answered it.

--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 04:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Sewage sludge

		The Cleanup Barnstar
		Excellent work on Sewage sludge. I'll try and help out if I can find a few minutes  Velella  Velella Talk   10:44, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Sewage treatment

I noted with some wry amusement your removal of references to using sewage sludge for irrigation . I am sure it wasn't me who put it there, but I do vividly recall in the drought summer of 1976, farmers queuing up at large sewage treatment works with their vaci-tankers to collect sludge just to inject it into their extraordinarily parched fields to try and keep crops alive. The wetter the better in their view, the solids in this case were an unhelpful extra. As a result, the sewage works operators stopped bothering to thicken sludge as reducing sewage flow was also desirable as there was very little dilution in the receiving watercourse. All of this unsourced of course! Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   17:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

To Velella (should I be putting this on your talk page rather than on mine?) - thanks a lot for this information, I hadn't thought of that option. It must have been an unusual situation though... Why didn't they rather take the treated effluent from that sewage treatment plant? Normal sewage sludge cannot be "irrigated" though, if anything we'd have to find a different word for it...EvM-Susana (talk) 20:09, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Many of the farmers had already invested in mole-plough irrigators where the sludge is injected into the soil at about 8" down. This avoided odour issues and greatly reduced evaporative loss. Because many of the farmers' principal business was in dairying which produces a very liquid slurry, a mole-plough was a bit of kit that they already had on the farm.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   21:15, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

To Velella: Ah, I see that makes sense now. I don't know if you have seen it but I have just merged wastewater treatment plant into wastewater treatment. If you have time, could you help improve the new article on wastewater treatment? That would be great.EvM-Susana (talk) 21:22, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	With compliments! Mootros (talk) 04:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Mootros, much appreciated! :-) EvM-Susana (talk) 06:36, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Your work is appreciated!

		The Medicine Barnstar
		Your edits on the Blue Baby Syndrome article are noticed and greatly appreciated.   Bfpage |leave a message  10:47, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Bfpage, much appreciated (that article still needs a lot more work)! :-) EvM-Susana (talk) 06:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Approach to editing

I do appreciate your approach to editing. So many things that have annoyed me and I have either tried to change or simply resigned myself to tolerating, and you happily waltz in and sweep them all away ! Excellent stuff, I look forward to more! Your coup-de-grace was the removal of Milorganite from sewage . I tried to get the article deleted as I didn't believe that it satisfied the notability criteria, but when that failed, the originating author then spread Milorganite over every vaguely relevant article and every attempt of mine to remove or dilute it was meant with full reversion. O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   22:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thank you!! It's so nice to know that there are like-minded people out there and that one is not alone. I was wondering why the information about Milorganite popped up in so many places! Seems like the person behind that has lost interest by now, as it hasn't been reverted where I deleted Milorganite from the "See also" lists etc. - Thank you for your words of encouragement, Velella! EvM-Susana (talk) 07:24, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Menstrual hygiene day

Hi! I stumbled onto the page by accident while doing research on something else and I thought it was such a cool idea to have that day! I enjoyed adding the references and such and I hope (since I'm not an expert on the topic) that it helped. I'm glad you created the page! For a cool anecdote, learning about the #IfMenHadPeriods campaign gave me a chance to talk to my preteen son and daughter about menstruation without them going "ew!" and shutting down. I learned something I could use. LOL. Your article rocks. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Ha, that's aweseome and your edits were great, thanks a lot!! :-) You need to show your kids this video, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJQBjWYDTs - it's an "ad" from "Always" and doesn't mention menstruation but it is closely related. I tested it out with my children before showing them the video and it's really startling, the older they get the more they think that girls are somehow "weak". If you would like to know more about the topic of menstrual hygiene management (with a focus on developing countries), check out this category in a discussion forum that I moderate: http://forum.susana.org/forum/categories/24-menstrual-hygiene-management-mhm . And, by the way, this Wikipedia page is also really interesting and could do with further work: menstrual cup - just in case you have some spare time. :-) EvM-Susana (talk) 08:16, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Gruß dich, Susana.

I came by to say thanks for your recent work on sorting out Mass deworming and Deworming. I just did a little paperwork so that the history is easier to track.

Also, the list of articles you created is longer than four. I think you can safely ignore the count in the tool, which is known to have some problems, and put the accurate number there. Happy editing, WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, that's really kind of you! The thanks for creating the article should rather go to JMWt, as he did it and not me. And thanks for doing the paperwork on tracking the history. Ah, pity about that tool, I thought it was working. Will adjust the new page count manually then.EvM-Susana (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

That tool never picks up redirects that you've turned into articles.

By the way, do you have an interest in talking to a WMF staff person about our articles on water and sanitation? She's talking to a couple of big organizations about how to get resources for improving our content. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:06, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh, yes, please! So far, I have been in contact with WMF Board member Doc_James. It was his idea to set up the WikiProject Sanitation which I think is a great starting place now. EvM-Susana (talk) 19:48, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks WAID. Yes we are working to improve sanitation and water related topics to add to the "Translation Task Force". We so far have pit toilet translated into a few languages including Oriya [1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:46, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful! The best thing to do is to send e-mail to Sylvia in the Partnerships team. I gave her your username, and she'll be looking for a message from you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:09, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Great, I have just sent an e-mail to her now. Thanks for the hint! Let's see what comes out of it. :-) EvM-Susana (talk) 12:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Brisbane Meetup

Hi there! I'm dropping you this notice as you've indicated at Wikipedia:Meetup/Brisbane that you are interested in attending a Wiki meetup in Brisbane. Assuming significant interest, I'm organising an event for August 22 at the SLQ Café in South Brisbane, and we'd love for you to come along. A list of people interested in coming, and a discussion space has been created at Wikipedia:Meetup/Brisbane/8. Hope to see you there! Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC).

Thanks! I will write something on the meetup page. EvM-Susana (talk) 12:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Images for you

Did you know about these? c:Category:Files created by Sustainable Sanitation Alliance (SuSanA) I thought that they might be useful to you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

User:WhatamIdoing EvM arranged this donation of 10,000 or so images :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:47, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me! Yes, the images I great. In fact, I was the one who first collected them (nearly 11,000 on flickr) and then User:Fæ transferred them to Wikimedia Commons (which was a superb move, and initiated by Doc James). I wrote about it here today. - I don't fully understand how these categories work though, what does this mean: "The following 200 files are in this category, out of 10,287 total." Maybe all 10,287 should be in this category? EvM-Susana (talk) 20:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Excellent!

It only shows 200 per page. You have to click "Next page" to see the rest.  :-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Schistosoma mansoni

Hi! Regarding your reversion: "familia" is not my fancy, but a parameter name of the {{taxobox}} template; if you put "family" there instead, it just won't work. Thanks for your attention. --Djadjko (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Djadjko Oh, OK, sorry about that. I had checked for another helminth (Ascaris), and there it also says "family" and it "works", so I am a bit confused. There is also this page where it says family: Ascaris_suum. In fact there is a whole great number of helminths. I don't know perhaps for the layperson "family" works just as well as "familia"? What do you suggest? Change it for all of them or just leave it as "family" or change it in the template? EvM-Susana (talk) 10:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, now I understand what gets you confused. In the article source code, the template parameter name is "familia", but it renders as "Family:" when you view the resulting page. (For example, you can test the following code: {{Taxobox|familia = [[Ascarididae]]}} on your sandbox page). --Djadjko (talk) 22:21, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for this explanation, now I understand! Sorry for being a little "slow" on this one. EvM-Susana (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

UAA notice

just a heads-up: Your account has been nominated for blocking due to a possible violation of Wikipedia:Username policy. You may want to comment under the entry for your username at Wikipedia:Usernames for administrative attention, explaining exactly what your username means and represents.

If you want to change your username, you may do so at WP:CHU/Simple. Thanks. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:57, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. No problem about changing my user name. I have put in a user name change request now. When I created my old user name I added "susana" to show my link with the SuSanA network, but at this is not desired, I have taken that out now. EvM-Susana (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

October 2015

It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of talk pages to notify others of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence the WP:RM discussion at Talk:Honey bucket. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which favor a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. This post was inappropriate. Msnicki (talk) 22:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

I have read the rules about the canvassing. I have been a user of said discussion forum for the last 4 years. I have written many times on that forum about the merits of editing on Wikipedia (trying to encourage other people to become active Wikipedians, see here - isn't that the whole idea to widen the pool of active Wikipedians?). This is not an e-mail sent to "those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you". It is an open forum where anyone can read (no login required; login required only for posting; about 5600 people currently have a login there). If after reading they decide to put their opinion on the forum page, or onto the talk page of bucket toilet, then what is wrong with that? Yes, I stated my opinion in that post but that doesn't mean that everyone will follow my opinion. People have their own opinions!! The beauty about that forum is that it is read in countries all over the world. So if people read it and know that "honey bucket" is widely used in their countries, then they can say so and educate me! I see nothing "clandestine" or hidden about that. By the way, only one person who saw my note on the forum has so far put her opinion also on the talk page (the others only put their opinions on the forum page), so it's not like suddenly 100s of people would say "oh yes, of course, if that's your opinion, I will support you on that talk page- I don't have my own opinion, I will just support your opinion". The way I started my post was "Have you ever heard the term "honey bucket" before (for a dry toilet that uses a bucket)?". What is wrong with that? I also wrote "But if you have an opinion on this term, please feel free to put it here and to also copy it to the talk page of the article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Honey_bucket". What is wrong with that? EvMsmile (talk) 12:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes I write and speak about the importance of contributing to Wikipedia in many venues. One should not do so requesting participation in any one discussion. But requesting experts to participate in general is important work. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Bleibe doch bitte!

Hallo EvM,

Lass dich bitte nicht von den asozialen Wikipedianern ablenken. Die sind die Minderheit, und wir andere brauchen wirklich Leute wie Du, die wissen wovon sie reden und klare Argumente formen können. Und wenn Du Dich fragst warum Du mitmachst, schau mal auf Deine früheren Beiträgen, und auf die Unterstützung die Du von Leuten bekommst die auch wissen wovon sie schreiben.

Wenn Du ein Bisschen Zeit brauchst um abzukühlen, nimm Dir danndoch die Zeit, aber komm dann später zurück!

Wie geht's beim Deutschen Wikipedia? Hast Du da auch Schwierigkeiten, oder sind die Leute netter? Vielleicht kannst Du dort einen Art von Urlaub machen (z.B. mit Übersetzungen), bis Du wieder die Kraft hast, hierher zu kommen.

Schöne Wiki-Grüße, --Slashme (talk) 21:07, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Danke für Deine moralische Unterstützung, Slashme!! Das macht viel aus und gibt einem Kraft weiterzumachen. Schon schade, dass manche Leute (also Wikipedians) so negativ anderen gegenüber sind, anstatt erstmal zu schauen, ob deren Edits bisher gute Arbeit waren oder nicht. - Mit dem deutschen Wikipedia habe ich mich bisher nur am Rande befasst, dafür habe ich nicht so Ehrgeiz, weil mich eher das Thema Entwicklungsländer interessiert und da ist alles auf englisch. Und Du? Hast Du schon mit der deutschen Wikipedia gearbeitet? Wie ist es dort so? EvMsmile (talk) 08:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Es freut mich, Dich helfen zu können! Zu Deinen Zwecken, macht es doch Sinn eher auf Englisch zu arbeiten.

Bisher habe ich einige englische Artikel im rahmen meines Deutschunterrichts ins Deutsch übersetzt, und ich habe soweit ziemlich gute Erfahrungen gemacht. Habe auch einige Münchener Wikipedia Treffen und Stammtische beigewohnt, und die Leute sind ganz nett. --Slashme (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Named refs

Hi, I see at honey bucket that you've inserted wp:named reference instances that don't correlate to an actual citation, of the general form <ref name=":1"/>. Please revisit your recent edits and clarify what the source was being cited. If you need help with formatting the cites, I'm happy to do so, but I can't guess what source you were referring to. It's usual for the ref name chosen to have some modicum of meaning vice 0, 1, 2, 3. Often the author lastname or pmid number is used. Cheers, LeadSongDog come howl! 20:38, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, I think I was able to fix that now. Could you please double check? I can't see anything in red anymore. EvMsmile (talk) 20:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Looks better, thank you. LeadSongDog come howl! 20:53, 13 October 2015 (UTC)