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editthis is the third time in the last week or so you have added df=y to a year-only template. MB 02:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
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Jérôme Pétion de Villeneuve
editHi AWB is a menace on articles relating to the French Revolution as it does not recognise the Convention as an entity and AWB users sometimes exchange capital letters for small in these articles. If you are not sure that Convention and Committee of Public Safety should have capital letters, please look at the Wikipedia articles on them and related articles to satisfy yourself that this is the correct form. I reverted all the AWB changes you made because the only substantial changes were incorrect, and the others were trivial. Once you have checked this out can you please restore the correct spellings? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, I restored the caps and I used {{nat}} to avoid this situation in the future. Thank you very much, Dawnseeker2000 17:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Great stuff thanks for your help. Mccapra (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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Date formats
editHi, I'm new to AWB and was wondering if you could share with me how you use AWB to audit date formats (like you did here). Many thanks, SSSB (talk) 13:25, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, yes of course. There's this editor called Ohconfucius and he's the caretaker of several groups of scripts that can be run. There's a set for use directly in the browser and there's some that can be used as modules in AWB. The modules for dates are set up specifically for mdy and dmy dates so there's one for each. I only run the DMY module because there are many more articles that use that format.
- Dawnseeker2000 14:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Is that enough to get you going? Dawnseeker2000 20:51, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks, but I can't get it to work. Am I right in saying that you just copy and paste the code into here? However, when I tried it on my sandbox, I got this result. I am probably just being an idiot, any help would be appreciated. (also pinging @Ohconfucius:) SSSB (talk) 11:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, you can do it in one of two ways.
If you prefer to run AWB, you can copy the code that resides at User:Ohconfucius/AWB modules/dmy or User:Ohconfucius/AWB modules/mdy depending on which target date format you want. I stopped using AWB, so it's no longer supported. I'm not sure how the code will work in the current version, but I know that there were some false positives, and using it was quite clumsy compared with running the script.
Alternatively, the MOSNUM dates script that you have loaded into your commons.js file is more sophisticated, and won't go changing dates within title strings, for example. You will access both dmy and mdy alignments by the choice of a sidebar script button. I wrote the family of scripts, which has many of the functions in common with AWB (or maybe AWB writers have updated their codes to do some of the things my scripts do?). The script is more reliable than my AWB code because it employs a more elaborate system of protections that limits false positives that I could not prevent when using AWB.
Regards, -- Ohc revolution of our times 13:19, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Well it seems that something is happening, so that's good, but it didn't tag the article with any date format template. There's a lot of moving parts with these sets of scripts (whether it's the browser or AWB version), but the AWB modules are truly like the old west because they haven't been updated since the mid-2010s. I sent you a modified version of the one that I use for dmy. It's got the current date in it so the date will be updated as it should. Dawnseeker2000 01:27, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Dawnseeker. The modified version you sent me works. Many thanks! SSSB (talk) 09:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, you can do it in one of two ways.
- Many thanks, but I can't get it to work. Am I right in saying that you just copy and paste the code into here? However, when I tried it on my sandbox, I got this result. I am probably just being an idiot, any help would be appreciated. (also pinging @Ohconfucius:) SSSB (talk) 11:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused on your date formatting changes. I was under the impression that when we institute a dmy or mdy format on an article, and we date that format, that the date should remain so we all know when it was instituted. The date should never change unless the format itself changes. That way we can tell editors "look, it's been this format for 7 years so please don't change it." If you start changing them to todays date that become useless. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- We can simply go back in the article's history if a dispute occurs regarding the format. The date format templates are used for maintenance. See Template:Use dmy dates Dawnseeker2000 22:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Strange but I see it does say the date of the template should change when an editor checks for inconsistent dates throughout the article. Are you checking for date errors when you update the dates? Because a date change will tell me that the article is correct and proper on the new date. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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'script-assisted date audit and style fixes' editing errors
editI have come across several articles that have had errors introduced by these fixes.
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- I was aware of that issue, and have changed my code to avoid it in the future, but it was all my doing and had no relationship to Ohconfucius's script. Thanks for the message. Dawnseeker2000 20:18, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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A recent earthquake in Shropshire.
editSo not too long a go, a 3.8 magnitude earthquake struck Shropshire. The British Geological Survey apparently said the tremor happened at a depth of 8km near the town of Wem. How are your thoughts on the matter? O tempo voa (talk) 17:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm much more familiar with earthquakes in California because I lived there for a long time, but you might ask User:Mikenorton as he is a London-based geologist. Dawnseeker2000 19:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Possibly something to do with the Wem-Bridgemere-Red Rock Fault System. Mikenorton (talk) 21:42, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- There's also this from the BGS:
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Here's a seismogram of the 3.8ML quake in #Shropshire earlier, and a map which shows the historic seismicity in the area in relation to today's event.
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Links to Football League Championship rather than the article name EFL Championship, and similar
editHello, and thank you for all your cleanup work. You probably aren't aware that the English football/soccer competitions now known as EFL Championship, EFL League One, EFL Cup and similar were renamed to those names as part of a rebranding exercise in 2016. Before that, they were named the Football League Championship, Football League One, Football League Cup etc. Either is fine as the target of a piped link, but if the full name of the competition is visible to the reader and refers to 2016 or earlier, as e.g. the last change in this edit, it should be left chronologically accurate. There was no such thing as the EFL Cup in 1963. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 19:46, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you again for tips in this area. Cheers! Dawnseeker2000 22:38, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Karina Lomabard
editWhat the hell is wrong with you? Rather than simply deleting the reference to the missing file, you actually think it more productive to add a new "category:Articles with missing files, totally useless. There is no missing file. 48Pills (talk) 04:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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Your edit to 2011 CR Vasco da Gama season may have broken a template
editHello,
This edit that you made to the 2011 CR Vasco da Gama season article appears to have broken the Players § First-team squad table of player names. I have tried to fix it but I'm not knowledgeable enough with the relevant template. Could you give it a look?
Regards — rbstrachan (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi and thanks for bringing this up! I restored the text as it was prior to my change in 2020 and it's much better now, though maybe not exactly as intended. I'm thoroughly unfamiliar with those templates and usage of the parameters may have changed. Cheers! Dawnseeker2000 21:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Images of Airbus aircraft
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wstitle parameter
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New Go Compare Logo
editAs of now they have rebranded to Go.Compare.
They rebranded their website and released a tv ad with the new logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.23.252 (talk) 19:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- That's fine. Please put in a move request to handle the name change to the article and please be aware that you've broken the file name twice now. Dawnseeker2000 19:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
AWB edit of quotation
editYour AWB edit, my partial reversion
Probably AWB ought not modify a direct quotation here, so I've reverted it. I can't actually check the quote - because {{cn}} - but it seems improbable that AWB did either. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for that. Dawnseeker2000 04:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Re-nominating three former GA nom. articles
editHi, I will be re-nominating three EQ articles which you had done so previously. I will resolve the issues raised in the previous nominations and probably add on my own before nominating. Thanks for working on them.
Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh OK. That's kind of weird. Dawnseeker2000 08:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Commonwealth of the Philippines: Difference between revisions
editI do not understand this reversion. Your edit summary does not match the edit action. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your change broke the file name and I restored it after seeing that the article was in Category:Articles with missing files. Dawnseeker2000 00:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- That dawned on me soon after I made that comment. The image file seems misnamed, but I'll not pursue that. I'll mention it at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines, though. Thanks & cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Help on Draft:QuakeAlertUSA and Early Warning Labs
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Hi Dawnseeker, I hope you will be interested in editing film related wiki pages. I want you to take part in an AFD discussion of the Karthi's new movie Japan. I think AFD is being created by some foreigners who don't know much about Indian Films. Being an Indian I feel that you will understand more and point out your genuine opininion whatever it be in the AFD . Here is the link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Japan_(2023_film) Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi there, I have partially reverted your edit because the content of a quote should not be reformatted. Cheers, Edcolins (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
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Blocked the whole range
editHi, you reported 204.14.13.227 on WP:AIV. I have blocked the entire range 204.14.12.0/22 (which contains that IP address). The range belongs to Capital Area Intermediate Unit, which operates online learning programs for local schools. It now has a 3-year school block. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that, Dawnseeker2000 00:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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I adjusted the block. You should be able to edit now. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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Errors introduced in AWB edits
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Bombardier Wins A £223 Million Order...
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Hi, Out of curiosity, why would you change "2013" in that dmy template to "2023"? I can't think of any reason for that, so please educate me. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 10:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, of course. I ran some lines of code in AWB for that change that checks for consistency of date formats (DMY in this case, but there's also MDY for US topics) and those templates are used as an indicator of the last time a consistency check was performed. The intent and purpose of the templates is laid out at Template:Use dmy dates and their usage is tracked at Category:Use dmy dates. The TL;DR is that when a page is checked for consistency, the date in the template is changed to the current month and year, and since there are typically thousands of articles in each month since early 2011 (1.57 million total articles), I've been going through them for date formatting and ref improvements, among other things. Cheers! Dawnseeker2000 10:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Nice, I learned something, thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 10:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
An old AWB error you made ...
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editAt this edit, your script changed this: |newspaper=[[The Sydney Morning Herald]] to this: |newspaper=''[[The Sydney Morning Herald]]'' (2×). It should not do that. Italics for newspapers is handled automatically by {{cite news}} so extraneous italic markup is an error condition and is flagged as such.
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- Thanks for spotting that. Dawnseeker2000 16:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Edit a Wikipedia Page
editHey, Can you help me edit a Wikipedia page?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_Shankar_(spiritual_leader)
We want to change this page name to
Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Creator1998 (talk) 02:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, just follow the instructions at WP:RSPM. Dawnseeker2000 03:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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Access-dates for news articles with an existing publication date
editHello. I noticed your script was now removing access-dates from news articles on the grounds they were not required if the news article has a publication date, but I'm not sure that's right.
Help:Citation Style 1#Access date says they're not required for linked documents that do not change, and goes on to clarify that access-date "is not required for links to copies of published research papers accessed via DOI or a published book, but should be used for links to news articles on commercial websites (these can change from time to time, even if they are also published in a physical medium)." cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Struway2: I agree with you; it's not right. Only stuff that cannot be changed, e.g. printed newspapers, magazines, books etc., doesn't need to have an access-date. Everything else that can be changed after publishing needs an access-date. SLBedit (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think there's a fair amount to be said about this and I'm wondering if either of you have an account on Discord. We can use a voice channel there to talk this out. Dawnseeker2000 19:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- I prefer to keep any Wikipedia discussions public and on-wiki. Think my view comes down to:
- Purely from personal experience, I've spent a fair amount of my time on here adding archive-urls to dead links (manually, including checking the thing that bots can't – that the archive copy actually includes the content cited), and the presence of an access-date does make that job easier.
- As I said above, Help:CS1 clarifies that access-dates should be used for links to news articles on commercial websites, because they can change. There's no practical difference between such pages and non-news articles on any other non-static website. Whether the online article mirrors the print version or not, whether there even was a print version – newspaper websites publish articles that didn't appear in print, or in a version different from the print version, or in an updated or corrected version, (ideally with date of update/correction supplied). News websites, such as Sky News or BBC News, have no print version: the BBC in particular are notorious for changing their content over time without indicating a date of last update.
- The cite-web template family documentation did for a time say that access-dates were "not required for links to published research papers, published books, or news articles with publication dates", but the wording changed to match Help:CS1 in August 2022.
- I'm aware that there's quite a variety of opinion as to the usefulness of access-dates, which rather backs up my general belief that there are no guidelines/instructions/whatever that override Help:CS1 and the Citation Style documentation. Absent any such, I'm pretty sure a little private chat won't override them either.
- Please don't take this the wrong way. I admire the work you do with keeping formatting up to current standards. I just think that this is a step too far and in the wrong direction. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- I prefer to keep any Wikipedia discussions public and on-wiki. Think my view comes down to:
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Hi, thanks for your recent edits to this page. The only thing I don't understand is why you have deleted the bracketed word "(Google)" from the end of all the references which make links to pages in googlebooks. It's quite normal to put "(Hathi Trust)" or "(Internet Archive)", or (Early English Books Online)", etc., after references which link to one of those pages, so that the reader knows what they are being invited to click on, and "(Google)" is just in the same category. Unless there is a very good reason, therefore, please don't delete them, as they will otherwise all need putting back in manually. Probably this is a flaw in a robot script? Thanks, Eebahgum (talk) 11:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, the reason I remove those when I see them is because it's information that doesn't help the reader find the information that's cited. If you look at cite book for example, there's no parameter for host or something similar. Dawnseeker2000 03:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying. Whatever the shortcomings of "cite book" (which is not a compulsory reference format in wikipedia, and which often contains poorly-entered data), I believe the host-identifier in a properly-ordered free-text reference containing an external link remains very useful to the readers, as it enables them to click with confidence knowing that they are not crossing into an unsafe or unreliable webspace. [I don't normally give date of access, except with "(British History Online)" links, where the bibliographic formula given in the source automatically records date of access.] This seems still to be a matter of subjective preference. I can see that, over 1 million articles, 200 bytes per article (to name hosts for 15 refs p/art) could add up to a lot of page-space! Is that also the motivating factor? Good wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 06:50, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
there's no parameter for host or something similar.
Not true.|via=serves this purpose; see the parameter documentation.- —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, this is true. I'm very familiar. Communication by text has its shortcomings. I don't think you're arguing for or against, but I should add that I think that Google Books links are ubiquitous now and are no longer a novelty. Dawnseeker2000 15:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Well, your last point is rather the problem, because there are plenty of books which, at page level, aren't accessible in Googlebooks, but are in Internet Archive, or in Hathi Trust, or in various national library readers such as Persee or Munich Digitizierungzentrum, etc etc, and so one has to link to these other sites as well, depending on where the source is available and readable, and one still has to host-identify them. And if you are saying that Google (specifically) shouldn't be named but should be the assumed default of all booklinks, then in addition to a vast backlog of correction needed, across the whole encyclopedia, you are also working in the opposite direction to the Internet Archive Bot, which (very annoyingly) went about (and may still be going about) substituting IA booklinks for Google booklinks, often inaccurately or incompletely, and generally mucking things up. When I write a freetext (analogue) reference with a pagelink, I always check that it "works", that the page-views accessed are clear and readable, and that the information hierarchy in the ref itself is in proper conformity and as complete as I can make it: and so, because I know it works properly, I try to make sure it stays that way! It's that golden rule of "always verify your references". But I don't want to be on a collision course with anybody. Eebahgum (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, this is true. I'm very familiar. Communication by text has its shortcomings. I don't think you're arguing for or against, but I should add that I think that Google Books links are ubiquitous now and are no longer a novelty. Dawnseeker2000 15:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
AWB again
editPlease review your single AWB edit to Drumcondra, Dublin, and let me know which errors you notice in hindsight. What will you do differently moving forward? Sam Sailor 17:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- What you can do is read my user page. Dawnseeker2000 18:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- What you should do is respond to my question. Sam Sailor 18:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Where can I locate the "inclusion criteria"
editYour most recent edit on List of earthquakes in California states in the edit note "please observe the inclusion criteria". I tried looking but could not definitively locate the criteria you seem to be referring to. Could you please let me know where I can find this information? Paradoxsociety 19:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, it's at the bottom of the table. Dawnseeker2000 20:21, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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MOSNUM_dates improvements
editHi: I notice you are a regular user of User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js. I've made some changes to get the Use...dates templates inserted in a place that's more in accordance with MOS:ORDER. It doesn't (yet) move the template if it is already there in the source, so it will only make a difference with new insertions.
Before getting the official version replaced, would you be so good as to give my version a final shakedown? If you see it doing anything badly wrong, please let me know. To use it, in your common.js on line 5, replace Ohconfucius with DavidBrooks (and flush cache). Thanks in advance. David Brooks (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yes sir, will do that today. Dawnseeker2000 18:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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CS1: website vs publisher
editHi Dawnseeker. I saw your your edit to Crown Dependencies and that you'd replaced some instances of the website= parameter to publisher=. I know we seldom use both in the same reference, but I am unclear why publisher would be preferred over website? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, there's a couple different philosophies around Wikipedia when dealing with website vs publisher. Ask someone else and you'll probably get a very different answer, but the reasons that I do things the way that I do are based on what I've learned from the Citation bot group and Ohconfucious's style. Some of the main points that I consider are described here an an overly-simplistic way (if you'd like further clarification, just ask):
- There's a relationship between work and publisher. Consider old media and new media. Websites are not always shown with italics. One thing you can do to help make a decision is to check our own article on a subject to see whether it should be italicized or not. Check whether "italic title" has been applied to the article.
- Then there's the "human readable" component. I replace "www.cia.gov" with "Central Intelligence Agency"
- There's a ton more to say about this, of course, but those are just a few of the things that I work on. Dawnseeker2000 23:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Sheringham Lifeboat Station
editHi.
Please can you tell me the reason for your update.? Is it something I should be doing?
MartinOjsyork (talk) 05:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've been working on ensuring that date formatting is consistent in our articles by using the tools that are available. I'm working on articles from August 2013 right now and that's why you saw my change. It's kind of a niche thing to do, but you're welcome to use any of the tools that are available. You can check out User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js. If you have any questions let me know. Dawnseeker2000 04:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dawnseeker2000
- I'm still not clear with this, and I find MOS topics don't explain what I need.
- So in easy terms, please tell me why you would change...
- Use dmy dates|date=August 2013, to , Use dmy dates|date=June 2024
- but leave..
- Use British English|date=August 2013
- MartinOjsyork (talk) 16:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't work on English variety formatting. I only work on date formatting by using groups of scripts that help semi-automate the process. The date is changed whenever they are checked to be consistent as described at Use dmy dates Dawnseeker2000 20:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Date format
editHi Dawnseeker2000 - thanks for your cleanup on the dates at Heracleum mantegazzianum! The page had been improperly changed from UK English to American some time back between 2009 and 2018, and I was restoring the original English spellings per MOS:Retain. Back then, it didn't have any date settings specification, references weren't generally dated that long ago. I had wanted to add a tag to specify the ISO 8601 standard yyyy-mm-dd as the most appropriate, but I couldn't find the correct tag; neither "Use ymd dates" nor "Use y-m-d dates" worked (they gave red no valid template notes), so I added "Use dmy dates" as the only European option I could find. Is there a tag for ISO 8601 dates, and if there is, could it be added, please? Thanks! - MPF (talk) 16:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not for the article body. For cs1|2 templates (
{{cite book}}etc) you can add|cs1-dates=to{{use dmy dates}}to tell Module:Citation/CS1 how to render dates in cs1|2 templates. See Template:Use dmy dates § Auto-formatting citation template dates. - There have been reports that the date-formatter script ignores
|cs1-dates=and overwrites YYYY-MM-DD dates in cs1|2 templates, but cs1|2 will still display the dates as instructed by|cs1-dates=. - —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Trappist the monk - thanks! Sounds too complex for me :-)) I'll just leave it as dmy in that case - MPF (talk) 17:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you!
editI was having trouble using reFill (was introducing errors), and didn't know where to ask to get someone to run it. Still learning. Best, ForksForks (talk) 15:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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Pitchfork, etc.
editHi, Dawnseeker. Please take more care with your editing--you have un-italicized the name of Pitchfork, as one example, and changed its citation many times, despite this being incorrect. I've fixed some, but I'm guessing there are many more errors out there. Please first check the parent articles for these music-related sites to see how they should be formatted. I understand your reasoning for changing AllMusic from website to publisher--also technically incorrect--although most regular music editors have stopped "caring" about the resulting italics in the citation, preferring to use the correct citation format instead. Thank you. Cheers. Caro7200 (talk) 11:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for your thoughts. There are competing philosophies regarding the use of italics for websites and the manual of style is no exception with regard to the lack of clarity. The MoS includes contradictory instructions regarding how italics are to be applied. An an experienced editor, with several hundred thousand edits in this specific area (ref formatting and italics, publisher vs work, etc.) I am not yet ready to challenge these inconsistencies in the MoS.One of the reasons why I'm not immediately considering making a challenge is because even the two competing ref formatting tools (Ohconfucius's "Sources" group of scripts and Citation bot cannot agree on the most basic of ideas.I'm glad that you mentioned looking at the parent article as a means to gauge whether italics should be applied; I do this very often. The problem is that {{italic title}} has been applied to hundreds of articles where it probably should not have. Dawnseeker2000 18:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I'll grant you that working in academia has made me a complete cynic about the fetishization of citation styles. Regular editors at the WP album project have long lamented that WP renders AllMusic in italics with the proper website usage. I think, to use the above example again, you're far in the WP minority when in comes to Pitchfork. Have a good weekend. Caro7200 (talk) 00:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Link to Mike Batts Snark musical: Why has "September 2013" been replaced by "August 2024"?
editProbably you are right, I am curious to know why "September 2013" has been replaced by "August 2024"? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hunting_of_the_Snark&diff=1239791809&oldid=1227359739 DL5MDA (talk) 17:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. There are literally thousands of things to know about this website. The date is a way to track when date formats have been checked for compliance and uniformity. I run the semi-automated browser AWB with a module (a compilation of scripts) that accomplishes this task. So when I run the scripts it changes the date to let everyone else know that that is the last time it was checked. Dawnseeker2000 18:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
DMY & MOS:DATETIES
editI’ve noticed you are still changing non-military American articles to the DMY date format instead of MDY, which is contrary to MOS:DATETIES. I wanted to remind you about MOS:DATETIES. Stereorock (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, have we spoke before and could you please add some diffs so we can talk about them? Dawnseeker2000 17:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- We have. I am trying to remember what it was, but you had said (I am paraphrasing) that there was no “use mdy dates” in an article that you saw fit to change it to DMY, except it was an article about something American & non-military, to which I pointed out MOS:DATETIES. I want to say that the article was about a television station. Stereorock (talk) 23:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I recall now, and I found our conversation on your talk page from March 2020. I modified the way I do things around that time as evidenced here. Just as a reminder, aside from that small portion of changes from DMY to MDY, my goal isn't to go around and "fix" or change from one style to another. I'm actually just solely working on DMY articles by ensuring that the ones that are tagged really truly are. So yeah, I changed the way I am doing things based on that conversation.Actually, I recall in the last month or so editing a couple of articles that weren't tagged as DMY or MDY, but I did let the scripts at least unify the article to DMY because I noticed that both styles were in use. I wonder if you stumbled across one of those. Dawnseeker2000 01:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I may have. The latest one was from April, which I saw today (Love on the Spectrum U.S.). 2020 sounds about right, as it seems a while back.
- The ones I find confusing/conflicting are the Canadian ones, which I try to make sure they all have unified dates. I thought Canadian English used the MDY style (and assumed Canadian French was DMY), but apparently they can go either way. Anyway, have a good night! Stereorock (talk) 02:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I recall now, and I found our conversation on your talk page from March 2020. I modified the way I do things around that time as evidenced here. Just as a reminder, aside from that small portion of changes from DMY to MDY, my goal isn't to go around and "fix" or change from one style to another. I'm actually just solely working on DMY articles by ensuring that the ones that are tagged really truly are. So yeah, I changed the way I am doing things based on that conversation.Actually, I recall in the last month or so editing a couple of articles that weren't tagged as DMY or MDY, but I did let the scripts at least unify the article to DMY because I noticed that both styles were in use. I wonder if you stumbled across one of those. Dawnseeker2000 01:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- We have. I am trying to remember what it was, but you had said (I am paraphrasing) that there was no “use mdy dates” in an article that you saw fit to change it to DMY, except it was an article about something American & non-military, to which I pointed out MOS:DATETIES. I want to say that the article was about a television station. Stereorock (talk) 23:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
ENGVAR edits
editHey Dawnseeker, when you're cleaning up articles, can you avoid changing ENGVAR-related terms like "Second World War" to "World War II" as you did here? Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 13:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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Use of language=en in citations
editHi, Dawnseeker2000. Thanks for this edit at Glossary of Brazil investigative terms which improved some of the citations. However, in one case you removed |language=en for a citation in English. Please do not do this, as citations are often copied to other Wikipedias, and this assures proper use of the param in other language Wikipedias, while not adding extraneous information about the citation in en-wiki. If that is omething that AWB is doing by default, please lmk and that needs to be removed from the pattern. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, no this is not built-in to AWB. It's part of a collection of scripts that I've borrowed from a tool that has very widespread use on Wikipedia. I'm inclined to keep using it as there doesn't seem to be much sense in keeping these around just in case the text and refs could be used on a non-English WP platform. Quite a bit of what I do is trimming bloat, and these English language parameters can easily be added if and when the time comes that they are transferred to one of those other platforms. I'm taking this stance not only because of the "excess baggage" theory, but also because computers are really good a copying text. If the need arises, the editor can simply paste away. Dawnseeker2000 23:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dawnseeker2000, I do not agree that it is bloat, and even if it is a wash, every edit should improve an article in some way, no matter how small, and I fail to see how removing the language parameter is an improvement. Trappist, it seems to me I've seen guidance about this somewhere, but don't recall if it was just an essay, or something more community-supported. Do you recall if there is there anything about not deleting
|language=enfrom a citation template if it is provided by an editor? Mathglot (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)- There was this recent discussion: Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 96 § language=en. Because visual editor/citoid adds
|language=en(plain and in various regional flavors), any tool operated by one or a few editors that removes|language=enis pretty much a wasted effort. Fix things that can be fixed. If you really, really, really dislike|language=enat en.wiki, convince the visual editor/citoid maintainers to stop adding|language=<tag>when<tag>matches<tag>.wiki. If you do that then actively removing|language=enfrom en.wiki might be worth doing (assuming that there is consensus here to do that...). A better use of effort focused in the same arena, would be to replace|language=Englishwith|language=en. - —Trappist the monk (talk) 02:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be a beneficial change, as
|language=encan be picked up in other language wikis and just work, whereas|language=Englishcannot. Mathglot (talk) 02:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC) - Without going into too much detail, and since this is the first that I've come across CS1 translator, could you give a quick overview? Dawnseeker2000 02:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes; see below. Mathglot (talk) 03:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be a beneficial change, as
- There was this recent discussion: Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 96 § language=en. Because visual editor/citoid adds
- (edit conflict) Also, it's people who have to copy citations, not computers, and if they copy one which lacks the language param, they have to copy twice: once for the citation, and once to re-add the language. For those dozen or so Wikipedia languages that have a version of the CS1 translator module, an editor does not have to touch the English citations at all, as they will generate proper references in the other language wiki format, except for the
|language=enparameter, which will have to be re-added if it was removed. Mathglot (talk) 02:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dawnseeker2000, I do not agree that it is bloat, and even if it is a wash, every edit should improve an article in some way, no matter how small, and I fail to see how removing the language parameter is an improvement. Trappist, it seems to me I've seen guidance about this somewhere, but don't recall if it was just an essay, or something more community-supported. Do you recall if there is there anything about not deleting
Explanation of CS1 translator
editThis is as brief as I can do it: let's do the French-to-English direction, as the result will look more familiar to you. The French cite web template is called Lien web, and is coded over there like this:
{{lien web |langue= |nom1= |prénom1= |titre= |url= |date= |site= |page= }}
and if you are translating an article to English, you just copy the citation over to English Wikipedia with no change, translating the content, and leaving the French citation alone, exactly as it is in French.
This is a citation from the French article Lyon:
{{Lien web|langue=fr|url=https://www.lesechos.fr/pme-regions/auvergne-rhone-alpes/le-vieux-lyon-ou-les-dilemmes-dun-quartier-touristique-1227993|titre=Le Vieux Lyon ou les dilemmes d'un quartier touristique|auteur=Lea Delpont |année=2020|site=lesechos.fr|consulté le=2 août 2021}}
And if we just use that citation here in context, translating the French sentence fragment into English but without changing the French citation at all, here is what you get:
...and, as such, the districts of Old Lyon[1], of Fourvière Hill...
References
- ^ Lea Delpont (2020). "Le Vieux Lyon ou les dilemmes d'un quartier touristique". lesechos.fr (in French). Retrieved 2 August 2021..
Note that the French citation generates the correct reference here, and in English, because in English Wikipedia, {{Lien web}} is a template, and what it does is redirect to {{Cite web/French}}, which is a wrapper template you can read about, which generates the correct reference, and then waits for the CS1 translator module to recode the French citation into an English one, so it ends up as {{cite web|title=<French title>|year=2020...}} and so on.
Now just take the whole thing in the opposite direction, where you copy a {{cite web}} citation from English Wikipedia to French Wikipedia, and the French CS1 translator does the same thing over at fr-wiki, in the opposite direction, changing our {{cite web}} into their {{Lien web}}. They will need to add a |langue=en to the citation, if it doesn't already have one. Mathglot (talk) 03:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. It's just the three languages for now that can use this system? I removed the script from my module, btw. Dawnseeker2000 03:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- About fourteen languages; some languages just have one or two translatable templates, and the core dozen or so have the big four—book, journal, web, news. See the list of supported templates. Mathglot (talk) 04:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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