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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Ian. EaglesEyes1 (talk) 01:28, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Citation error at Insects as food

Hi @Ian (Wiki Ed), I am receiving a citation error on Insects as food that I can't seem to resolve. Do you have any guidance? Thanks. EaglesEyes1 (talk) 23:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, EaglesEyes1, and welcome to Wikipedia! The problem at the article is now fixed; in brief, you tried to define a reference using the name ":13", but it was already in use somewhere else in the article for something else. The gory details follow.

The error was introduced in revision 1147591354 of 23:24, 31 March 2023, when in new section § Frequently consumed insect species you added this reference at the end of the first sentence:

• <ref name=":13">{{Cite web |last=Jongema |first=Yde |date=2017-04-01 |title=List of edible insects of the world (April 1, 2017) |url=https://www.wur.nl/en/research-results/chair-groups/plant-sciences/laboratory-of-entomology/edible-insects/worldwide-species-list.htm |access-date=2023-03-31 |website=Wageningen University & Research |language=en-us}}</ref>

with reference name ":13". However, if you look lower down in that same old revision, you will see that in section USA and Canada that reference name ":13" was already used, at the end of paragraph two (after the words, "...and FDA's implementing regulations"), but here it is being defined to refer to "Edible Insects: Future prospects for food and security"; that is, ":13" was already defined in that section, when you tried to use ":13" higher up, to refer to the Jongema piece, and that's invalid, as the mediawiki software, when it later sees <ref name=":13" /> in the code, it doesn't know which one of the two you mean.

To fix it, for starters, I changed the reference name definition for ":13" in section #USA and Canada to "van Huis-2013" (and beefed up the rest of the parameters in that ref), and also changed the ref in the lead paragraph to match, which was the only other use of name ":13" in the prior version, rev. 1147591111 of 23:22, 31 March 2023. Two minutes later, you made the offending edit which also assigned the Jongema article to name "13", so all the remaining ":13"s belonged to that, and I changed them all, including the definition, to "Jongema-2017". You can see that fix in rev. 1147654659 of 09:45, 1 April, and if you scroll down, you'll see that the citation error is gone. Don't worry if this explanation makes little sense to you; the main point is, the problem is fixed, and you're good to go.

At that point, we could've left it, but since a lot of these errors are exacerbated by Visual Editor's confusing numeric reference names, I took it a step further, and used the RefRenamer script to convert all the rest of the numeric ref names in the whole article to logical names of the format, "Lastname-YYYY", where 'YYYY' is the year of publication. The article should be a lot easier to work with, now. Your article topic looks interesting, and I'm going to give it a read-through, just for fun. Good luck with your class! Mathglot (talk) 10:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Post-script: I do have one question for you: in that 23:24 edit when you first added the new section § Frequently consumed insect species and the Jongema ref, were you using Visual Editor at that point, or another one? I'm trying to figure out how the ":13" got in there as the ref name for the Jongema ref; can you shed any light on that? Do you recall what happened? This isn't on you, so don't worry; it's just that Visual Editor has some bugs, and this might be one of them, or maybe even a new one, so if you remember what happened, it could be helpful. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 10:17, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mathglot,

This all makes sense, thank you for the assistance and the explanation. As I recall (I made a lot edits last night), I transferred in Source mode from my sandbox initially, but received the error after making adjustments in Visual Editor. The error popped up, first time I've seen that. I attempted to correct it in Source mode, but couldn't figure it out.

Again, thank you.

EaglesEyes1 (talk) 17:54, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

You're most welcome. Mathglot (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Eagleseyes1, do you by any chance remember this edit to your subpage User:EaglesEyes1/Insects as food of 22:40, 31 March 2023? (That's UTC time; that would've been 6:40 p.m. in Carleton's time zone.) Do you recall if you used Visual Editor for that one? Your edit summary was "updated species data, updated citation" and you can click here to see a "diff" (before-after image) of that edit. If you remember anything else about that edit, it could be helpful. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:59, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

For the record, this is T333911. Mathglot (talk) 01:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)