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I have removed Central Station from the list of Brazilian films. It is a great film, but to be listed it needs to have a citation that calls it the "greatest Brazilian film of all time". Having an award for an actress is not sufficient, and being nominated for awards is not sufficient. The criteria for inclusion in the article at the top of the talk page were worked out over a long time by many people and as the result of having the page nominated for deletion. Without the strict criteria, the list would devolve into long listings of everyone's personal favorites. To control this, we have to be strict and only allow films that have clear claims backed up with citations. If you can find a citation that calls Central Station the best Brazilian film ever, please add it back to the list. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'm not disagreeing with your assesment of Central Station as a film. My point is that if it is to be included it has to follow the guidelines of the article. It doesn't matter what you or I think of the film.

The listings that mention Academy Awards are all citations that are superlative, such as the MOST oscars, or being unique in some way. Your citation is not superlative in the same way. Did it win more Academy Awards than any other Brazilian film? Was it the only Brazilian film to receive some sort of Academy recognition? Your mention was just for the Actress, and the article is not about actresses, but about films. I can think of some amazing acting performances that were universally recognized, while the films they were in were not.

The guidelines also mention that recognition for films from various countries should hopefully be for recognition that is either from that country or international. So is Central Station recognized as the greatest film in Brazil? If it is, find a citation that says so.

The IMDB is the easiest place to find a citation, so often that is the first that appears. At some point I hope there is enough citations added so that we can remove most of the IMDB listings (especially for the nationality sections), but until then, it is reasonable to leave them. It is hard to find citations that say "xxx won more international film awards than any other Brazilian film". If you have a citation like this, please add it.

So to summarize, make a case following the guidelines, find ciations and it can remain. -- Samuel Wantman 09:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure I understand your last message. If you are saying that Central Station was nominated for more Academy Awards than any other Brazilian film, that would fit the criteria for inclusion in the article and would be a verifiable citation. If so, I'd have no objection to adding it. -- Samuel Wantman 05:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

If you added Spider woman with the Academy award citation I would not object. I wonder though if it is considered a "Brazilian" film in Brazil, as it was an American/Brazilian production and in English. -- Samuel Wantman 08:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Please be careful

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