Electronscope44

Hello.

Failed Good Articles

I note you have reviewed Talk:Vere Bird, Jr.; I appreciate you're somewhat new, so I'll explain this simply. Good Article Nominations are not there to be thrown out quickly. Good article nominations are not there to be dropped in a flurry of ignorance, invalid questions, and at the same time as you post your concerns. read WP:GAN - particularly the bit where it says, if you have concerns, you should put the article on hold - and then either revert your edits to the article and talkpage or provide a detailed and accurate review, before giving me time to actually respond. Ironholds (talk) 14:52, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

and now I see Talk:Asif Ali Zardari/GA1, where you say the article is perfectly referenced despite numerous paragraphs and sentences not having a single citation. Have you read WP:GAN and the surrounding pages, and are you aware of Wikipedia's content standards? If not, this probably isn't an area you should get involved in. Ironholds (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Please take a look at Step 2 of the Good article review process. Electronscope44 (talk) 14:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

"Before reading the article in detail, check it for immediate problems. If you believe a detailed review is premature, add your reasons to the review page and use the fail process; otherwise continue with the next steps."

I understand that you have spent significant contributions on your nomination page. I am doing this in good faith. Electronscope44 (talk) 14:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, please tell me where the Zardari page lacks references. Electronscope44 (talk) 14:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

• In 1988, General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq died in a plane crash and a few months later Bhutto became Pakistan's first female prime minister after the 1988 elections. - lacks any kind of reliable source.

Perhaps you should take a lootk at the featured article Barack Obama. You will notice that under the subsection Health care reform, the two sentences: "He proposed an expansion of health insurance coverage to cover the uninsured, to cap premium increases, and to allow people to retain their coverage when they leave or change jobs. His proposal was to spend $900 billion over 10 years and include a government insurance plan, also known as the public option, to compete with the corporate insurance sector as a main component to lowering costs and improving quality of health care. It would also make it illegal for insurers to drop sick people or deny them coverage for pre-existing conditions, and require every American carry health coverage. " Both of these sentences are entirely unsourced.

See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Ironholds (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

...er, what? Electronscope44 (talk) 15:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I did know that the sentence was not referred but I simultaneously appreciated the fact that the Zia-ul-Haq's death and Bhutto as the first female prime minister do not need to be sourced. I may be wrong but these are widely clear well-known facts such as the sky is blue. Electronscope44 (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

• The referencing style is completely invalid.

I noted that in the GA review. The referencing style, which is MLA, is not correct. But if that is that along with a few minor details is holding the article back from becoming a Featured Article, than I believe it should at least be a Good Article. Though, I have not yet finished the review.Electronscope44 (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with whether it is or isn't MLA, it's the fact that the actual URLs are kept distinct from the text. Ironholds (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

• The grammar is utterly attrocious.

I disagree. The grammar is outstanding in the Asif Ali Zardari page. And I would like to note that you spelled "attrocious" incorrectly. Please understand that my grasp of the English language may in fact be better than you assume. Electronscope44 (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

"is the 11th and current President of Pakistan since 2008" - there's a clear grammatical error in the opening line, for god's sake.Ironholds (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I noted it in the GA review page. Was that the only error you could find? The article is a huge page and it is overwhelmingly very good.Electronscope44 (talk) 15:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

On the "Immediate Problems" front, it is not "whatever you consider an immediate problem". this page lays out clearly what the immediate problems are, none of which apply to the Vere Bird article, and none of which are included by what you brought up as your concerns. There are no hyperlinks, no, because I did not get the news articles from online sources - I got them from news archives. There is quite obviously no requirement for references to include hyperlinks, otherwise we'd never be able to cite, say, books.

Dividing it up as you suggest is not an immediate problem. I see no issues regarding to "sections" in the "immediate problems" page. Even if it was, there is simply no information covering his early life. The grammar and sentence structure is overall pretty fine - if you have issues with particular sentences, bring them up, otherwise you're asking another editor to engage in a wild goose chase.

You tell me to fix the lead, yet never explain precisely what is wrong with it.

To put it bluntly, you don't seem to have very much experience on Wikipedia, and your review of the Zardari page shows that English language grammar and sentence parsing and formation is not your strong point. I would advise leaving GANs to more experienced users with a better grasp of the English language. I appreciate that you're doing it in good faith, but good faith means "do not assume the person you are talking to is an idiot", not "do not bring up concerns you have with his actions". Ironholds (talk) 15:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright, Ironholds. I suggest you get a second opinion of the good article nomination for Vere Bird, Jr.. I personally found the article very unpleasant and difficult to read. Because I have initiated a review of another page, perhaps you can wait a few days before I go back to the Vere Bird, Jr. page. I will take a more detailed approach at it.Electronscope44 (talk) 15:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Again; could you point out how it is unpleasant and difficult to read? Ironholds (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I will begin your review after I finish the Zardari review. But please understand that in comparison to the Asif Ali Zardari page, I believe the article Vere Bird, Jr. is very poorly written. Every sentence is a pain to read. I will explain later. Just take a look at that article's second sentence: "The son of Vere Bird, the late Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda, Bird, Jr. first entered politics in 1981, and was elected to Parliament three years later." Are you honestly insisting that the article with its run-on sentence structure is a good sentence? The lead should be brief and mention important facts. Electronscope44 (talk) 15:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I will look at your Vere Bird, Jr. again some other day.Electronscope44 (talk) 15:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Welp its time to review again, C- Class MoonlightVector 14:43, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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Vere Bird

I have now replied to your comments and fixed issues with the article, which took an entire two minutes. There is absolutely no need to be snide ("On regards to your whopping 64,000 edits, I (as admittedly a beginner of sorts) look forward to your next few needed to cleanup a page badly in need of revamp — Vere Bird, Jr.") particularly when the snideness is grammatically incorrect after you've chosen to critique my prose. Please try to limit complaints to issues which you fully comprehend - there is no valid fair use rationale, for example, for a living politician just because it's kinda difficult to get a free photo of him. I have again reposted the notice for a third opinion, as we both suggested doing. Ironholds (talk) 12:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

As long as you continue learning (and indeed you have much to learn), I have a feeling you will make a great Wikipedian someday. And as always, keep up the good work and keep working hard buddy.Electronscope44 (talk) 14:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you being horribly sarcastic or a WP:DICK? Ironholds (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• Regardless, two other editors have now commented on the nomination; you may want to revisit it. Ironholds (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

  I have again replied to you. Ironholds (talk) 12:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

• Note; given that good article reviewers are not meant to be people involved substantially in the article's development, it would probably be best if you stuck to recommendations (and replied to my queries) rather than modifying the article yourself. Ironholds (talk) 13:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

  Please again read my above statement. Our reversions are now at the WP:3RR limit; revert again and you may be blocked. I won't, but only because I won't be reverting your actions. Ironholds (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Block, 5 July 2011

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

No bad intention. Currently in the middle of the review. I find it insulting that I was not warned in any way beforehand. I also find it disconcerting that the other user (who initiated the edit war with his reverts (and has more reverts than me) has also not been blocked. I learned my lesson. I won't continue the "edit-war". Electronscope44 (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You really do have to send James an email, this block involves privileged information. Jdforrester is an oversighter and a checkuser and deals with sensitive information that can't be revealed to editors, even administrators. And no, I don't know the reason for the block either, so the information must be pretty sensitive. -- Atama頭 20:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

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You have not been blocked for edit warring, but for reasons that should not be gone onto on-wiki. Please contact me by e-mail, as I said.

James F. (talk) 19:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. Electronscope44 (talk) 22:10, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Replied to your reply. Electronscope44 (talk) 02:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Waiting response! I have learned my mistake and it won't be repeated in the future. Electronscope44 (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Good Article Reassessment

Vere Bird Jr. has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MoonlightVector 13:32, 3 September 2021 (UTC)