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Redundant or non-useful sources

I started looking through the sources in Draft:Jonathan Roumie and stopped after I had to remove one that was useless (you can see it in the edit history). Please go through them and cull out the ones that are low-value, redundant, trivial, or otherwise non-informative. Interviews in particular aren't always needed (they are primary sources) if a good secondary source (which is preferred) can be cited. You don't need to overwhelm the article with sources just to demonstrate notability if you already have a handful of sources that provide significant coverage. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist I've cleaned up citations in all sections except Filmography. For Filmography, I'm using links from the below sources. Are they considered valid? If not, I'll remove them.

1. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/jonathan_roumie 2. https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,172633/ 3. https://lostplanet.fandom.com/wiki/Renard_LaRoche 4. https://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/jonathan-roumie/credits/3030260575/ 5. https://www.tvmaze.com/people/11049/jonathan-roumie

Elenatina (talk) 10:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Sources consisting of user generated content are considered unreliable and therefore aren't acceptable. That includes sites like IMDB and all wikis including Wikipedia. Of those you list above, mobygames and lostplanet wouldn't be acceptable. Tvmaze seems unnecessary as the page is nearly content-free. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist Thanks! On a different note, Maybe we should build a set of unacceptable citation links and automate the process so there's a rejection message while saving. Will save tons of review time. And we could keep adding to the list whenever we come across a new unacceptable source.

We could automate notability checking as well. I saw there's tons of articles where people spend time writing when the subject is not notable. If there's a way to identify it early on, we could save a lot of time. Here's something to start with.

1. Google news 2. Google trends 3. WP Refs

Elenatina (talk) 21:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

That's a good suggestion. While it is easy to identify some of the major unacceptable citations (IMDB, Wikipedia), there are thousands of blogs, forums, wikis, and other sites full of user generated content that cannot be kept track of. The two sources I mentioned above are so obscure that they would likely never be caught by an automated process.

We already have the following:

• WP:Perennial sources, a large list of sources that often come up, with community evaluations about reliability (and you'll see that many of them are not clearly reliable or unreliable)
• A blacklist that prevents you from adding a link to any page if the site is blacklisted
• User:XLinkBot for automatic reverting of other unacceptable non-blacklisted links

But sometimes a link that normally wouldn't be acceptable is occasionally appropriate to cite, depending on the situation. I don't see a good way to automate this reliably.

Many newbies write about non-notable subjects generally because they have a conflict of interest with the subject and don't understand that Wikipedia isn't Facebook or Myspace where anybody can have a profile, and it isn't a publicity medium either. Wikipedia doesn't have "profiles", it has articles. The problem doesn't get cured by auto-reverting sources added in good faith. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Anachronist I understand. I think the notability automation is separate topic in itself. Thanks for clarifying! Appreciate it! Elenatina (talk) 18:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Better

Better than before. David notMD (talk) 02:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD Thanks! I hope to improve it further to be a GA.Elenatina (talk) 09:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Long path. P.S. Do not tag your edits as minor unless those are very little things, such as a spelling or punctuation change. David notMD (talk) 09:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Interviews and his own website cannot be used as references except in support of simple facts (age, where he lives, etc. Not career achievements). David notMD (talk) 11:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@ David notMD Got it!

COI? PAID?

As this appears to be the only article you are working on, does WP:COI or WP:PAID apply? Either must be declared on your User page. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@ David notMD I didn't know volunteers had the bandwidth to work on multiple articles at the same time. I am keen on getting my first article accepted, get a hang of how things work and then hopefully attempt my next submission. WP:PAID doesn't apply and WP:COI doesn't apply as well. Elenatina (talk) 17:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Not a requirement, given your declaration here, but do consider putting a short statement on your User page attesting you are neither paid nor COI. Single-purpose accounts, i.e., new and one article creation focus, are suspected of being connected. As for multi-tasking, many editors have dozens, scores, hundreds of existing articles on their 'Watchlist,' so their efforts are dominated by reverting or fixing bad edits of those articles. Personally, I've been here 15 years, closing on on 40,000 edits, and have created only three articles. David notMD (talk) 18:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD Hi David, Thanks for the suggestion. Makes sense to be clear about it so people are not inadvertently misled.Elenatina (talk) 03:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I have 2500 pages on my watch list, and I've created several articles myself but not a lot (listed on my user page), some are well fleshed out, some are short stubs or disambiguation pages, some got merged into other articles. But I've never worked on the creation of multiple articles simultaneously, it's always one at a time, about one or two per year, when inspiration strikes. I don't go looking for subjects to write about, it just happens when it happens. I currently have one draft that got declined that I'm not sure what to do about (yes, even after 15 years and 50,000 edits I still occasionally submit a draft for review instead of publishing it myself, if I'm unsure about notability), maybe recast it as being about a notable book than about the author. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For asking such a great question on Teahouse. I really loved that you wanted to try and understand why people make articles on non-notable subjects if they'll be declined and that you wanted to try and come up with a solution. I really hope you stay on Wikipedia for a while and edit constructively. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry | Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Also feel free to ask me if you need help. I'll do my best to answer and if I can't I'll make sure to refer you to someone who can. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry | Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf Thanks. I'm pretty new here so just trying to understand. Elenatina (talk) 03:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

@Elenatina: Hey that's great! Trying to understand is the best thing you can do as a newcomer. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 12:48, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Ref column?

I have never seen a ref column in a table. Consider putting to ref right after the role played. Given only one award (so far) perhaps as text sufficient. On your User page, consider being specific about not being Paid or COI for the draft in question rather than an all-purpose denial. Consider submitting the draft, to find out what an experienced reviewer thinks. There is no downside to getting a Decline (or two) on your way to getting a draft accepted. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD I got the reference column from here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Cohan. Your suggestion seems valid as well. I'll just wait for the article to get reviewed. I guess they'll get to it someday soon..in 7 weeks or so.Elenatina (talk) 16:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

The review system is not a queue, so could be days. All depends on what reviewers pick from the pile. David notMD (talk) 16:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

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November 2021

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Jonathan Roumie. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. bonadea contributions talk 09:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@bonadea - Hi, It is not promotional material. It was added with references. Please check the cited reference. I am aware of the advertising and promotional stuff. But that sentence which you deleted is from a news article and I don't see how you deem it promotional. I understand the other edit which you deleted. That's clearly not notable and has no reference. But this sentence has. I think reviewers need to also be neutral when removed content citing "promotional fluff" when there is a reference cited.Elenatina (talk) 09:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Phrasing like "He donned the sandals of the character of Christ for the first time in an International, touring multi-media project" is not neutral, and there was an external link to IMDB embedded in the text as well. As for the sourcing, I read the source [1] several times and was not able to find anything about Faustina: Messenger of Divine Mercy, an international tour, or The Two Thieves. --bonadea contributions talk 09:53, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@bonadea The first citation is a reference to "Once we were slaves". "Once we were slaves" was renamed as "The two thieves". And at the end of the sentence, you have the next citation which talks about the multimedia project.

Regarding the IMDB link, I remember removing a couple of them. So that's OK. I understand that shouldn't be there.

This is the entire section

---He donned the sandals of the character of Christ for the first time in an International, touring multi-media project about the life of St. Faustina called Faustina: Messenger of Divine Mercy and subsequently in The Two Thieves.[6] Roumie is also the co-producer, co-director and lead actor[9] of The Last Days: The Passion and Death of Jesus, a live performance about the passion of Christ.[10] ---

So citation 6 is what you looked at and it talks about "Once we were Slaves". That's the movie that's got a new name. So if we should stick to the old name as per the citation, that's fine. Citation 9 talks about "Faustina: Messenger of Divine Mercy". So it is just misplaced citations. I'll make the changes and let me know if it's valid now.Elenatina (talk) 10:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that clarification. Please don't restore the "donned the sandals" and "international, touring multi-media project" phrasing, though; it is taken almost verbatim from Roumie's promotional material that can be found in various places, so the promotional tone originates there. Also note that Wikipedia takes copyright issues very seriously, so text should never be copied or closely paraphrased, except in direct quotations (which should be used very sparingly). --bonadea contributions talk 10:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Other accounts

Have you had any other accounts? I ask because you seem have known from the start citation skills that only experienced editors normally know and use. Doug Weller talk 10:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Thanks for the compliment :)! I don't have any other account. I've used citations in academic projects and research work. And also couple of reviews on my first draft, I realized everything on wikipedia can't just be our opinion but it needs to be notable and substantiated with a valid source so I tried to cite as much as I can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elenatina (talk • contribs) 10:08, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Elenatina asked for guidance at Teahouse, and as a result, several experienced editors contributed to the draft. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

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@Padgriffin Well noted. I just created at it and it is not complete yet. Elenatina (talk) 14:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks. I should have added it as a draft and then submitted it for publication. I added all the sources and expanded the article as well but I guess there was a simultaneous edit by someone else. And I lost all my changes. But that's fine. It will take me a couple of hours to get it completed.Thanks again for your valuable input. I'll remember to create a draft article always before I hit publish. Theosisfreak (talk) 09:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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Using refs that don't meet WP:RS

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Hi Jamie, Sure. Thanks for pointing it out. Theosisfreak (talk) 09:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)