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Sorry I should have used sandbox

hi im new to wikepedia and i shoudl have used the sandbox i didnt' mean to vandalise. thanks for remind me of the policies and procedures —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apollomix (talk • contribs) 13:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

NRHP infoboxes using NHL and NHLD fields

Hi. Only just now came across your note in User talk:Swampyank: "I found a way to automatically put the "nrhp_type=nhl" or "nrhp_type=nhld" fields in the infobox generator output if the property is a National Historic Landmark. There's a table in the database that indicates whether a structure is part of a National Historic Landmark survey, so I'm doing a query against that. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)"

I had certainly noticed that your generator did start including nhl or nhld. It's been a help. Not sure if you know the NRIS field is apparently inaccurate fairly often, and/or it requires a lot of interpretation. The NHL list-tables were created from NRIS using that field, and about 5% or so are off. It misses some NHLs, particularly newer ones (data entry practices changed apparently). It includes some NRHPs that are not NHLs, often an NRHP in a NHLD or an HD that includes an NHL. The remaining ones in your database that have NHL or NHLD, but don't have an article with infobox, will largely be of these types.

Where i come across those, i have made a point to create a stub article, override the NHL or NHLD in the infobox, and mention in the article the specific NHLD or NHL that is related.

So, I wonder if your generator should be modified to not include NHL or NHLD, but rather to include a note in the text body, like where "Filler text here" appears, suggesting that the site may be an NHL or NHLD, or it may be included in an NHLD, or it may be an HD that includes an NHL.

It's not a big deal, as there are relatively few occurences remaining of all this.

Hey, just now i wonder, is there any way to cross-check the wikipedia articles vs. the NRIS-indicated NHLs or NHLDs? If you could generate a table of them all, like you did for Octagon mode houses or other special reports, I would be very happy to have that. I would go through and ensure there are articles (or appropriate redirects to articles), and to create stub articles with appropriate links for all those tricky non-NHL ones. It would be a great help.

Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the delayed reply -- I've been a bit busy lately. Are you looking for me to generate a table of everything in the NRIS that has the NHL or NHLD designation? I could do that fairly easily -- it's just a check of the "othdocd" table (the one that lists representation in other surveys). Since it's a list of other documentation, I can see where it isn't necessarily correct or up to date.

I mainly put the flag into the infobox generator as an aid for creating articles, in case someone didn't notice or didn't realize that an NRHP is also an NHL. I'm a little more concerned about those cases where the infobox generator claims that something is an NHL when it really isn't, since that results in an erroneous infobox (as opposed to an incomplete infobox if NHL is missing). --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 20:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, and yes, exactly. I suppose the list, if in full table form, would be very large, as was the original set of tables for the NHL list-articles, when they were all in one sandbox. But I would be using it just to check the red-links, and it could be a brief table format, perhaps as little as Name and State and a blank Comment field, sorted by state and then by name, so I could match them up against the existing NHL list-tables. I could use separate lookups on any one of course. My goal would be to go through them and figure out whether a red-link should be a redirect to a slightly differently named NHL article, almost all of which have now been created. Or, if it is a red-link for an NRHP that is indicated erroneously to be an NHL or NHLD. In which case i would go ahead and create the stub, and override the NHL or NHLD indication. This is just in interest of protecting our data quality, to head off errors when others, unsuspecting, would create those articles and obtain misleading infoboxes. There is no rush on this report, i would not be able to get to this for awhile, myself. Have a nice CONference! doncram (talk) 21:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

i'm still interested in doing this, though. :) doncram (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that the NHL/NHLD designations are turned on in your NRHP infobox generator still, though i think it is turned off in the NRHP county-table-generator (which i prefer). Currently I think it would be best to turn it off in the infobox generator and/or to provide some other text note, as the information is wrong now in almost all new infoboxes created showing NHL/NHLD. Not sure how much it is happening, but it does happen some. There are articles for every NHL now, and infoboxes included in almost every one of those. So the only new infoboxes being created that show NHL are the ones for historic districts that have erroneous or misleading NRIS data. These include districts that are not NHLDs but include one, or for individual NRHPs that are within NHLD districts. Showing those as NHLD and NHL is not exactly correct. It would be more accurately helpful, i think, if you could provide a message where you have the draft text for the article, suggesting that the given site might be in a NHLD or the district might include an NHL. Not a big deal though, maybe i shouldn't even be mentioning this. Cheers, doncram (talk) 00:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I was just now leaving a note on Ruhrfisch's talk page, and noticed that you'd left a note there. I wrote about the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Vernon the other day, the first time that I've ever created an NRHP article: would you be willing to check it, and to add to the infobox if there's something that can easily be added? Nyttend (talk) 04:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Pennsylvania NHL date vs accessdate

Hi Elkman, I am checking all of the Pennsylvania NHLs as part of the drive to fix them all up by the 4th of July (hopefully I will get my part done). I did not realize that the date parameter was (semi)automatically generated. Mostly I have been adding NHL dates to infoboxes and in some cases adding the nrhp infobox from scratch. The date parameter was bugging me - at first I thought it was the date the property was listed on the NRHP, but I soon realized that was incorrect. Then I decided it was the date accessed. I also (being fairly anal) decided to go back and "fix" this on all of the NHLs I had already checked. Mostly I was trying for consistency - it seems to me if it is a searchable database, accessdate makes more sense than date, but I can see the logic behind date too. If everyone else hase done date I can go back and undo my changes. Just let me know, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

• The more I think about it, I think date usually refers to date of publication or known update, and accessdate is for when the ref was checked online. I have used both when appropriate on other refs. I did not know about the generator for infoboxes - mostly I just paste the NHL added line and update the parameters from the NPS NHL website. I have made three or four infoboxes from scratch (usually to replace a different non-NrHP box). Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Georgia NRHP

I've discovered that the NRHP generator produces default maps for the State of Georgia with a map of the nation of Georgia. The default field is "Georgia", but it needs to be "USA Georgia" for the correct map to appear. It's easy to fix by hand, but I assume it's an easy tweak to the database. Acroterion _(talk) 03:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Bridget Landry

You might be interested in adding to Bridget Landry.--Appraiser (talk) 00:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

CFD

Do you think this has value?--Appraiser (talk) 12:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I haven't been able to come up with any appropriate parent categories either.--Appraiser (talk) 14:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

EP Logo

As much as I llooooooooooooveeeee Eden Prairie, I was wondering if we could resurrect its logo deletion at File:EPMNlogo.jpg if I provide you a fair-use rationale:

[1] "Eden Prairie City Code prohibits the use of the seal of the City of Eden Prairie in connection with any merchandise, impersonation, solicitation, or commercial activity in a manner reasonably calculated to convey the impression that such use is approved, endorsed, or authorized by the City of Eden Prairie." The logo is being used here for representative purposes not endorsed or on behalf of the City of Eden Prairie and should not be construed in such way. Wikipedia being no commercial activity and fully identifying itself as an encyclopedia and the article Eden Prairie as an encyclopedic article edited by anyone ("you can write") shall deem this logo in fair-use in order to better depict and understand the article subject at hand.

"Unless a copyright is indicated, information on the City of Eden Prairie Web site is in the public domain and may be reproduced, published or otherwise used with the City of Eden Prairie 's permission. We request only that the City of Eden Prairie be cited as the source of the information and that any photo credits, graphics or byline be similarly credited to the photographer, author or City of Eden Prairie, as appropriate." Secondarily, the City of Eden Prairie disclaimers deems all its materials in public domain with attribution, authorizing fair-use. .:davumaya:. 20:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Began aged 13

I noticed you written on his talkpage about his attacks towards Bedford on Bedford's userpage. You may wish to see this archived AN discussion where this was discussed. I'm pretty sure Began's a sock of Pope Benjamin Lister (talk · contribs). Thoughts? D.M.N. (talk) 15:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've seen that sort of pattern used against Bedford (talk · contribs) before. I couldn't remember the name of the sockmaster, though, and I didn't know right away if Began aged 13 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was actually the same master. 13 is now blocked indefinitely. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 15:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the chances of him attacking Bedford when his original block finished were pretty high, so I didn't want to take any chances on that one. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 15:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

page you deleted has been recreated

Lord (nickname) Rocksanddirt (talk) 21:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

And another...

Hi, Yesterday you deleted a page Justin Graham Davis. It was recreated and again speedily deleted. Well, it has been recreated again under the name Justin_G._Davis. It has been nominated for speedy but not yet done. You may want to delete it? And it may be worth keeping an eye on this page - I get the impression it will reappear again in various reincarnations! Setwisohi (talk) 08:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

It's back again. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Davis Jезка (talk) 11:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Minnesota Nord book

Hi, i noticed you added the Nord book into the NRHP infobox generator for MN sites. I just added that to the Minnesota section under Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#State specific resources.

Interesting use of the generator to suggest using that as a reference. It's a 2003 book, though, so cannot cover all NRHPs in the state, and it shouldn't be included as a reference if it is not directly consulted. I wonder if the presentation in the generator should be amended from:

Article filler text goes here.
Book by Nord: <ref name="nord">{{cite book|title=The National Register of Historic Places in Minnesota|last=Nord|first=Mary Ann|publisher=[[Minnesota Historical Society]]|date=2003|isbn=0-87351-448-3}}</ref>

to something like

Article filler text goes here.
You may wish to consult and reference this Mary Ann Nord's 2003 book: <ref name="nord">{{cite book|title=The National Register of Historic Places in Minnesota|last=Nord|first=Mary Ann|publisher=[[Minnesota Historical Society]]|date=2003|isbn=0-87351-448-3}}</ref>

There are other state-specific resources that might similarly be suggested, such as the detailed pages available from the South Carolina Department of Archives and History. Perhaps something like:

Article filler text goes here.
Please consider searching the [http://www.nationalregister.sc.gov/ South Carolina Department of Archives and History NRHP index] to add a reference or external link to the its NRHP listing for this site.

would be helpful? There are great resources available for several states. doncram (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It ain't me

You may have seen User:Wknight94's answer on my talk page. This guy [2] is indeed an impostor, and one of the countless socks of User:Ron liebman. I have not retired. No such luck. >:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 22:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Chicago A-Class review

Can you help us set up Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/A-Class review instructions like Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Review/A-Class review instructions. I think you need to do some things to our banner template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Help with what I mentioned Saturday

When you get some time, could you look at User:Appraiser/Wikipedia Panel ideas and modify/enhance it. When we're happy with it, I'll copy it and send it to the right people. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[3]

Hey man, it's just a vandal. Don't let it get to you like that. May want to sprotect your user page. Probably won't soon be a good reason for an IP to edit it, anyway. Enigma ^message 04:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Truss bridge reference discussion

Hello. Please review the discussion going on at Talk:Truss bridge#Use of the HAER Publication on Truss Types as a Reference Document. Input from members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Bridges would be appreciated. - PennySpender1983 (talk) 04:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Friendly note about your message to Kmweber

Hi Elkman,

I stumbled across your comment to Kurt re his constant use of the term "Arbitrary Committee". For what it's worth, I urge you not to block him for using that term, and at least consider removing the threat to do so. Such a block would cause a lot more disruption than his use of the term ever will. The AC is full of grown ups, they can handle a little meaningless criticism, and blocking someone for, essentially, disrespecting authority is possibly going to put you in a hole yourself. --barneca (talk) 22:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I removed the threat to block him. Feel free to block me if I screwed up -- because I screwed up. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 22:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

In fact, just because I screwed up, I probably deserve the block anyway. Goodness knows I screw up a lot of things on Wikipedia -- and in real life. And let's be honest: Anything I've "achieved" here on Wikipedia doesn't mean jack. The only thing that matters here on Wikipedia is when people screw up. My "contributions" to this place don't mean a damn thing.

Also, ask the Eden Prairie, Minnesota Police Department about whether my actions on May 28 in the parking lot of Southwest Station are a screwup. Here's a hint: If I'm backing up and I run into someone, that isn't just a mistake -- it's a deeply-rooted character flaw and a crime. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 22:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Aw, c'mon Elk, it was just a friendly comment. We don't block people for making mistakes they retract. If your self-block makes you feel better, I guess I won't revert it without your OK, but it would make me feel good to lift your block. Will you allow me to do that, just to make myself feel better? --barneca (talk) 22:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

July 2008

You have been blocked for a period of 24 hours from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for attempting to harass other users. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 22:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems unnecessarily punitive, when a trouting would have done the job just as well. (Not even sure that would be necessary). –xeno (talk) 22:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Come on Elkman, I understood what you were getting at with Kurt, but it's best just to leave him to get on with it. Don't upset yourself over this - it's no big deal. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Screwups, mistakes, and crimes shouldn't go unpunished. Otherwise, it only enables and permits people to commit more screwups, mistakes, and crimes. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 23:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

You haven't made a mistake - you've just had a difference of opinion to other users, it's no big deal. Unblock yourself and keep your head up. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I've unblocked you Elk - You've really done nothing wrong, no need to feel down over this. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Better than list

Actually, I did compile a list of users I am better than, and its not due to DYKs, but due to their actions. I did not deserved to have my adminship stolen from me like a thief in a night would. Two females with their own prejudices kept complaining and complaining, making snide remarks, and I got screwed by it. The sad thing is, had I not awaken at a bad time, none of this would have happened, and I would have been fortunate not to make the acquaintance of User:Sarah and User:Seraphim Whipp, two individuals that should have had their adminship taken away before mine was. I stand by my actions on binging back the hook, accepted by DYK participants, only to be censored by two individuals ignorant and intolerant of divergent viewpoints.--Bedford ^Pray 06:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Where am I located on that list? How poorly do I rank among Wikipedia users and admins at this point? (Here's a hint: I only have about 10 or 15 DYK contributions.) --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 07:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I did it in alphabetical order, although with two subsets. You were in the bottom subset (the less egregious, but still up there). You're lucky 13, as it were. After all, the fact you wanted to block someone who supported me said a lot.--Bedford ^Pray 07:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Elkman, I don't see why Bedford's opinion is so important to you. Enigma ^message 08:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I've got your back on this, Elkman. Sceptre ^(talk) 09:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Right or wrong, your conduct isn't helping either. Just ignore him for a while and calm down. Wizardman 17:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

omglulz cheer up!

Cheer up! I have no idea whats going on and all this admin lingo speaking but don't fret, it's just Wikipedia. I mean u could have gone down with the I-35W bridge. A stint with EP police is de nada. .:davumaya:. 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I backed up into another car in a parking lot because I didn't look where I was going. Well, actually, I did look, but not in the right direction at the right time. How is that supposed to be acceptable? It's not. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 16:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Ping

You have email. Seraphim♥Whipp 12:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Be well, do good work, keep in touch

Sorry to hear about the collisions. I hope you are OK. As far as the list: try to ignore it and move on. I was on one here once that bothered me at the time, but doesn't at all now. Take care. Jonathunder (talk) 22:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Saint Paul GA Preparation

Hello,

The Saint Paul, Minnesota article is being prepared for GA Nomination ahead of the 2008 RNC and the attention the article will be receiving (and in some cases already has).

Other editors and myself have been working on the article lately and we would like to you to help. If you have additions, comments, concerns, questions or other feed back, it is all appreciated. There is a peer review already set up and detailed checklist of issues that need to be fixed is on the talk page. These items can be crossed off when completed. Feel free to add to the list and sign your username, so that we know who added it.

Any help is appreciated. Also, if you would like to work on other articles directly related to Saint Paul, especially those that link off the Saint Paul article, that would be great too.

Thanks and have a great day, Calebrw (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a peek at it and I'll see if I can help out, but I'm not sure if I'm the right person to talk to. You might want to find a better editor other than Wikipedia's 13th-worst editor. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Threatened block for criticism

I just noticed that you threatened to block someone for criticizing Jimbo [4]. But, I also notice you removed the threat 30 minutes later [5]. I hope that that means that you weren't really serious about it. Cla68 (talk) 01:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about it, but Barneca (talk · contribs) above reminded me that Kmweber (talk · contribs) has free license to say whatever is on his mind. So, I removed the threat and blocked myself for those actions. That was on Saturday, two days ago, but feel free to block me or bring me to WP:RFAR for screwing up YET AGAIN. Because that's all I do around here -- all I ever do is SCREW THINGS UP. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 02:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Why'd you block yourself for? All you needed to do was remove the threat, apologize, and drive on. Who said all you do is screw things up? I don't hold that opinion of you, for what it's worth. Cla68 (talk) 03:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yo, Elkman, I think you need to relax a bit.. No big deal here, just chill (no need for the sackcloth and ashes thing).. take a break. SirFozzie (talk) 04:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your contributions

And you're not the 13th-worst user OR administrator on Wikipedia. Enigma ^message 06:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I would be lost without your NRHP generator. It and your other good work put you in my TOP 13!! Lvklock (talk) 16:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Can I just ask why you deleted this page: 04:07, 26 June 2008 Elkman (Talk | contribs) deleted "The mercy dolls" ‎ (R1: Redirect to a deleted, nonexistent, or invalid target) 125.254.23.129 (talk) 03:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The mercy dolls (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) was moved to The Mercy Dolls (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) on May 5 to capitalize the band name as a proper name. On June 7, another editor submitted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mercy Dolls saying that the band wasn't notable. The deletion debate ran for a while without consensus, until it was closed on June 25. At that point, The Mercy Dolls (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) was deleted, but someone forgot to delete the old redirect of The mercy dolls (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Someone else noticed that it was a redirect to a nonexistent article, so I deleted the leftover redirect. If you are thinking about recreating the article, the consensus of the deletion discussion was that it wasn't notable for Wikipedia. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The band is a notable Brisbane band, like many of the other notable Brisbane bands with Wikipedia pages. Their film clip one a nationally acclaimed award (Atom Awards), and were also runner-up in another national film clip away (sunscreen music video awards). They've played nationally and well known around Brisbane. Quite a bit of work went into the page, and I'm annoyed to find that its been deleted. I can point you to the pages of other Brisbane bands if you'd like. . .. . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.254.23.129 (talk) 04:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I only deleted the redirect -- I didn't delete the actual article. If you want to complain further, go to Wikipedia:Deletion review, not my talk page. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Eactlly discussing "something else"

re: AN/I Typically, the kind of discussion hosted at xFD is a discussion about whether to delete, keep, merge, or do 'something else' with an article. Raising technical issues at WP:TFD (which is still named "Templates for deletion") probably won't get the right audience for the discussion you want to have. You mentioned WP:VPT; did you also raise the issue on Template talk:Reflist? That would be a good place to do it. Also, if editing Wikipedia is causing stress, and you'd rather be out boating on a nice afternoon, then log off and head for the dock. There is no deadline here at Wikipedia, and you might find the boat ride relaxing. You might come back more refreshed. Come to think of it, what am I still doing in the office coming up on 5:00 on a Friday afternoon? --Elkman (Elkspeak) 21:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)\

Did you read the links given... the whole sequence of edits started on the template talk page, and relinks to it again, as does now the VPP post. Give me some credit here! CFD is DISCUSSION... which should be the explicit name of all the XfD's... save for the young turks pursuing "Wikipedia" page contributions at AFD. This is questioning procedure at AN/I... the admins were out of line. My post is within reason. Point, set, the whole match. Whatever happens at AN/I, the visibility the issue deserves will now get a hearing... I want to see what Brion says now that he's was ignored. Don't you? // 22:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think I'll be able to deal with this problem this evening. I probably shouldn't have bothered in the first place. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 23:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Penny Drake

Hi, please could you make available to me the deleted content of Penny Drake (in my user space or by e-mail) - I'd like to see if it can be expanded into a tenable article. Thanks, --Kotniski (talk) 16:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The only text in the article was "hottie". I don't think there's much point in restoring it; you're better off starting a new article. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 21:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks:) You never know till you ask... --Kotniski (talk) 21:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Generator?

Elkman, where'd the generator go? I'm getting a server not available error from three different Internet connections! • Freechild'sup? 16:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Crap! I was screwing around last night with my Linux box trying to get a video driver for my old GeForce 2 video card, and at some point I did a "telinit 3" which brought down the X Window System, but also brought down the web server. I forgot to do a "telinit 5", so the stupid thing has been down all day. I'm sorry for the inconveniencescrewup. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 21:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Page move

The article Highway 25 Bridge, which is linked to on one of your user subpages, has been moved by me to Highway 25 Bridge (Minnesota) to make room for a disambiguation page. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 18:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

That's OK with me. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 21:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK? nom (Samuel P. Ely (shipwreck))

On 5 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Samuel P. Ely (shipwreck), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

And I thought that all shipwrecks were fair game for looters. Congrats on the great article and improving Wikipedia -- CB (ö) 07:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Come on, man

You already punished yourself for the last time. Enigma ^message 00:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Bardwell-Ferrant House

Hello - writing to let you know about the plight of the Bardwell-Ferrant house at 2500 Portland Ave So in Minneapolis. It's vacant, in foreclosure, and has been invaded by thieves who ripped out fireplace mantles, broke stained glass windows and tried to strip out all the copper pipes. MLS 3582456.

Please spread the word to fellow preservationists.

Healyhouse

Bard 1

Bard 2

Bard 3

Mdougla (talk) 14:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank You ELKMAN! for your wonderful article on the Bardwell-Ferrant House and the foreclosure and architectural theft. You are one of the exceptional few that read all my stuff, Connie's Healy stuff and did more research! Your article will bring the plight of the house to a global audience. If you are interested in updates on the house: mdougla@pclink.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdougla (talk • contribs) 03:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Fcode

An article that you have been involved in editing, Fcode, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fcode. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Reyk _YO! 04:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy tags by 75.47.194.101

You denied a speedy tagged by 75.47.194.101 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). Could you please look at the user's other recent contributions? I think that they may all be vandalism, but I'm not sure. --Eastmain (talk) 03:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering about that as well. The IP has been posting legitimate block notices (as far as I can tell) for accounts that have actually been blocked and/or proven as sockpuppets. I don't know why an IP would be doing this, though. I'm not as suspicious of vandalism at this point, but the {{db-g6}} tagging has me a bit confused. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, mate, that wasn't on. No matter what he did, you cannot speak to people like that. Daniel (talk) 10:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008

Regarding your comments on User talk:75.47.194.101: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Bstone (talk) 10:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Elkman. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Bstone (talk) 10:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Just go ahead and block next time. It'll look more legitimate if someone else does it. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 13:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Panel ideas

Could you look at this and make any changes or additions that you would like to see? I'd like you to participate in the panel. I talked to a gentleman from CONvergence programming and he seemed enthused about the idea. I want to send the outline to the programming committee in a few weeks. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 13:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Kingman Research

Howdy--

Thanks for the information. I went out and looked at it. I just started and pretty much a hands on type of guy and willing to learn. My research is small at this time. I just started few months ago, I am creating a guided walking tour of Historic Downtown Kingman. I also have created a small newspaper with this information in it. One of the things I will be doing is passing the newspaper to the owners of the properties for their information on the houses and buildings. Thanks and if you see something I need to know, let me know. Thanks, RobChilcoatr (talk) 00:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Dibo the gift dragon

I ran across your delete. Have a look at this Cheers ChiragPatnaik (talk) 03:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Mrdonutwhatever

Is there a way to remove the concerned entries from the talk page history? even the summary in the history is obnoxious. Many thanks. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 20:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protect

Can you pretty please semi-protect Tim Pawlenty for 48 hours from new/anon users. :D .:davumaya:. 20:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm watching it, although I'm sort of divided between that and trying to recover my Linux box, which crashed in flames this morning. I see that there's a lot of speculation out there, and this article from Reuters says that Tim Pawlenty just canceled a bunch of his appointments for tomorrow. Some anon added that to Tim Pawlenty (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). I'm a little hesitant to semiprotect it right now unless there's a lot of clear, obvious vandalism or misinformation. The best thing for us to do right now is to just keep our eyes on the article and make sure the speculation here doesn't exceed the speculation of the news media, who are panting, frothing, and foaming at the mouth anyway. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 22:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hampden County Courthouse

On 29 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hampden County Courthouse, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

NRHP infobox generator: thanks, and questions

Thanks for posting about the generator being down, and now for bringing the NRHP infobox generator back on line! I would be lost without it and the related disambiguation page generator, and county-table-list-generator, which i use constantly.

I see also that you changed it per recent decree on not linking dates, which is nice.

In the infobox generator, I am noticing something minor, don't know if it is a change or not: it would help if there were a space after the URL and before the next field, the title field, in the nris reference. Otherwise the lines break awkwardly when editting, though there is no difference in reader view.

 | refnum=97001457
<ref name="nris">{{cite web|url=http://www.nr.nps.gov/|title=National Register Information System|date=2008-04-15|work=National Register of Historic Places|publisher=National Park Service}}</ref>

Also, I notice one weirdness in the disambiguation page generator, when i try "St. Mark's Church". It generates an error, "Invalid query: select city, statecd from propmain, countyd where propmain.refnum = countyd.refnum and resname like 'St. Mark's Church' and certcd = 'LI' order by resname,statecd, city;You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 's Church' and certcd = 'LI' order by resname,statecd, city' at line 1".

Overall I can't overstate how grateful i am you are providing the support that you do. Thanks, cheers, doncram (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

overall, i agree wholeheartedly with doncram's praise for the generators. which is why it pains me to ask about something, i've started re-table-izing the Whatcom County, Washington list in my sandbox, and can't figure out why the photo section is showing up so wide. Can you take a look at it? cheers, Murderbike (talk) 14:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I found the silly mistake that was all mine. Murderbike (talk) 15:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

And i find that searching on "St. Mark\'s Church" works. It could be helpful if the generator page suggested inserting the "\" into the search string, but my problem is solved. doncram (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Part 2

I just generated the San Juan County, Washington list, and it stuck a (now demolished) site from Tacoma (Pierce County) in to the list. I couldn't decide if I should leave this note here or the NRIS issues page though, sorry if I should've put it over there. Murderbike (talk) 00:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

PS, I just noticed that it also left out the Richardson General Store and Warehouse, which didn't pop up in the infobox generator by name, but did by ID#. Again, don't know if this is a NRIS problem or not. cheers, Murderbike (talk) 00:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

And further investigation shows that RGS&W burned. So was presumably delisted, but still showing in the infobox generator, but not the list generator. Murderbike (talk) 00:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Richardson General Store and Warehouse was removed from the National Register, presumably because it burned. It's still listed in the National Register database, but with a status of "RN", meaning it was removed. The list generator checks to make sure that the certification status is "LI", meaning that it's listed, but the infobox generator doesn't do that check. It should check the listing status and probably put out some sort of warning, I guess. As far as the other, now-demolished site is concerned, it's possible that the National Register database doesn't have it marked as delisted yet. I encountered that situation last summer when I went searching for Bridge L-3040, which was one of the oldest stone arch highway bridges in Minnesota. I couldn't find it -- all I saw was a nice shiny new bridge in its place. It turned out that the county had to remove the old bridge and build a new one because local farmers were driving bigger and bigger trucks over it. Apparently, the NPS didn't find out about its removal until a few months later. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 01:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

part 3

Hi, I just generated Adams County, Pennsylvania table now in List of RHPs in PA, and find sort of an issue with date display and/or how i am to understand the dates when editing.

The table has dates using dts using DD/MM/YYYY entry order, like, for February 2, 1980:

which displays oddly (for me at least) as "February 1980, 22"

I think that would be better entered with dts using YYYY/MM/DD order as:

• February 22, 1980

which displays better as "February 22, 1980" for me.

Besides the display problem (perhaps unique for me given whatever are my wikipedia user-specific date display options), I think the DD/MM/YYYY order facilitates later mistakes, because when I go to manually add a new row with 8/15/2008 date, I accidentally entered it in MM/DD/YYYY order:

which was in fact the wrong date.

If all the other dates present were given in YYYY/MM/DD order there is no ambiguity for me in how to enter a new date, and i would enter it correctly:

• August 15, 2008

So, for both reasons, I wonder if you would care to change the table generator date display to use "dts|link=off|YYYY|MM|DD" format for dates? Thanks for considering! doncram (talk) 10:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the problem. Here's what happened: I noticed that someone updated a county listing to delink dates (per the new Manual of Style recommendation on dates), and they changed the {{dts2}} template to {{dts}}. So, I did the same, but I didn't realize that {{dts}} changed the year and day parameters around. It should work now, so you won't get dates like "February 1980". --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 15:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! doncram (talk) 16:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk Page protection

I had requested protection, but the request was denied. Thanks a lot. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 17:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Baseball Bugs

That's a pair of User:Ron liebman impostor sockpuppets that you reverted. Be careful, or he'll put you on his "hit list" also. Luckily, he's more of a mosquito than a wasp. Thanks for your help. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 22:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

protection

can I request. indefinite protection of my talk page. Many Thanks ChiragPatnaik (talk) 08:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The man is quite persistent... ChiragPatnaik (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks again ChiragPatnaik (talk) 15:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of ByAppointmentTo

Please explain.--Lolwot (talk) 13:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the support of the RFA nomination and for the note. Your questions were actually a welcome change after all the policy questions had my head spinning. Cbl62 (talk) 03:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Friendship

Hey elkman, why do we have to be enemies? I would like to be your friend and then I can use chatting with you as my new hobby rather than editing Chirag Patnaik's profile, lol. What do you say? 203.59.142.43 (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia vandalism is not a hobby, and I don't make friends with vandals. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats really a shame isn't it? And you blocked my IP even when I didn't do anything wrong with it yet :(. I almost consider you my friend, every day I come to check and see if you reverted my edit or not, lol. 203.59.180.1 (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

The key word being "yet". Now leave me alone; I have work to do. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 19:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Aww, come on. May be I'll stop vanding if we become buddies :-D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.180.1 (talk) 19:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Upstream

Greetings Elkman. Sorry to ping but I chose to mention your username (archive) on my user page. As a courtesy, this note. Thanks and apologies for breaking the news. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

P.S. If you, Appraiser and your friends or anyone you know is interested and missed this note, MinnPost's first birthday party is tomorrow. I plan to be at Trocaderos for the debate on Friday, September 26, sometime, probably only a few minutes, between 7:30 p.m. and 10:30 p.m. In case cost is the only obstacle, which it is for some people including me, I forgot how much but some membership levels are quite inexpensive. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I think they wanted an RSVP a few days before the event, though. I don't read MinnPost (nothing against them, I've just never heard of them much as a media outlet), so I don't think I'd want to pay for a membership at this point. Besides, it's easier for me to yell at the candidates if I'm at home in my own living room. (Or, I can just edit Wikipedia during any wikt:tl;dr responses.) Thanks, though. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, all two of you. I hope they enjoy their evening. I ain't going either, because, always someone is less fortunate. Cheers. -SusanLesch (talk) 11:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Minneapolis Meetups

Town Hall Brewery
maps.google.com
1430 Washington Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55454
(612) 339-8696
October 11, 2008
Saturday at 12:00 noon (midday)
Meetup RSVP

Muddy Waters
maps.google.com
2401 Lyndale Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55405
(612) 872-2232
October 10, 2008
Friday at 10:00 PM (at night)
Alternate meetup RSVP

Just updating the calendar. Feel free to pass along these invitations. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Another airline article nominated for deletion

Hello. Based on your recent comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alaska Seaplane Service, I thought you might be interested in looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alsek Air Service. -- Zyxw (talk) 15:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing

That one-purpose account User:Ebyabez was yet another throwaway sock of User:Ron liebman. In this particular case, he was impostoring User:Ebyabe. Sometimes he impostors User:No Guru. Both of those guys (along with Wknight94 and me) were instrumental in getting Liebman banned from wikipedia over a year ago. He comes back once or twice a week to try to exact some very lame kind of revenge. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Ptolomy's theorem

Thanks for fixing SB's mistake here. Rich Farmbrough, 19:26 10 October 2008 (UTC).

Corey Delaney

I agree that at Wiki 'we' don't have to chronicle every internet meme. But 'we' do. From the mundane to the obscure, you can find and learn about any internet meme that you are likely to find spoofed, referenced, or inferred anywhere else on the internet. So why the personal (used in the same sense as 'we'; I'm not referring to personal as you) animosity against having this page?

 Mr Goober (talk) 15:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_phenomena - How many of them have their own individual Wiki pages? All of them would be suited just fine by the little blurb they get on that page alone.

And I did read the discussion about the Corey Delaney page; I addressed the concerns brought up in said discussion when I posted the HANGON for my article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Goober (talk • contribs) 15:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Coney Island Cyclone

Hi! Hesitate to question since you're an NRHP/NHL expert and I love your infobox too=l but re this edit, are you sure? I've found a couple of sources that seem to agree with it being a National Historic Landmark including its own site, this book and at least one news article. Just curious where you got your info. Thanks! TravellingCari 02:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I checked with the National Historic Landmarks Program, both from the query page and from the full list of NHLs in New York. Neither of those sources list it as being a National Historic Landmark. The National Register database says that it was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on June 25, 1991, but nothing in there says it's a National Historic Landmark either. And, actually, the coaster's own site at [6] is inconsistent. The sixth paragraph claims it's an NHL, but the fact sheet says at the bottom that it's (only) listed on the National Register. So, it looks like the sources are inconsistent, but looking at the National Park Service list, I'd say the Coney Island folks got "National Register" and "National Historic Landmark" confused. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I know at least one other place that got it wrong. Central Presbyterian Church (St. Paul, Minnesota) has a plaque on the front of the building saying, "Central Presbyterian Church has been placed on the National Register of Historic Places as a National Historic Landmark by the United States Department of Interior Heritage Preservation Service." I was surprised to see that on the plaque, so I checked, and sure enough, that isn't actually a National Historic Landmark. I guess they should have double-checked before ordering a fancy bronze plaque. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. Knew there had to be some reason. I think Coney Island got it wrong on the plaque as well, need to check my photos. Not to mention recent media talking about "astroland is gone but the cyclone is OK" -- seems like there's some lazy media fact non-checking going on, which doesn't surprise me. TravellingCari 11:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

My RFA

Hey there! Just a note thanking you for supporting my RFA which successfully passed with 60 supports, 0 opposes and 2 neutrals. I hope I'll be able to live up to everyone's expectations, and thank you for trusting me! All the best, Ale_Jrb^talk 20:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixing my link

Hey! Thanks for fixing my wikilink--I didn't even notice that!! Good catch, and much appreciated!!! Gladys J Cortez 09:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, from Hurrmic

Hi, Elkman. Thanks for welcoming me to WP:NRHP, and for the adjustment you just made to my user page. Earlier today I came across your NRHP infobox generator, which I will use soon. I've had the Bunnell House project in mind for a while, and I'm almost ready to start the article. I took note of the number of redlinks in the Winona County NRHP subsection, and I'm looking forward to changing those wikilinks to blue. I'll read through the WikiProject:NHRP contents before I start any articles. Thanks for the offer of assistance. Regards, Hurrmic (talk) 16:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism revert

Er. Could you look at this please? I don't think the version of the article you reverted to was suitable. Could you please check this sort of thing in future when reverting vandalism? I've reverted further back, but the article might still need checking. Carcharoth (talk) 07:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Oops. You're right; I should have checked more carefully. I think I must have been doing quick vandalism reverts when checking recent changes, and I didn't notice that the previous version was bad as well. Thanks for the reminder to check further. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 17:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it....

What do you do? Are you paid by wikipedia? Are you freelance? My post was listed as "vandalism", but I still don't get it. I thought that wikipedia was about freedom of speech, my page said nothing bad or even "PG" rated. What gives you a license to take it apon yourself and become a self appointed wiki-detective. Last time I checked, people don't use proper footnotes and don't cite things correctly anyways including YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.158.157.228 (talk) 13:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not paid by anyone for the articles I create or edit here.
• You didn't even tell me what article you're complaining about that I deleted. If you're complaining about R.C. and the Monkey-Junks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), the page you created had no value as an encyclopedia entry. Wikipedia isn't a graffiti wall -- it's an encyclopedia. (See Wikipedia:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for some details on that.) If you're complaining about some other page that I deleted as vandalism, well, the same probably applies.
• I'm not a wiki-detective. I check over Special:Newpages regularly and delete pages that match Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. There are a lot of pages like that out there because people think that Wikipedia is a billboard for advertising, a MySpace page, a graffiti wall, or just any sort of site that they can edit.
• You're one of the few people complaining about my footnotes and citations. Considering that I've worked on three Featured Articles and that I'm working on a Featured List, I think I know how footnotes and citations work around here.
• I just got out of the hospital after an overnight stay and I really don't need to read complaints like yours. I have far more important issues to deal with than someone who's complaining about their article being deleted. If you still need to complain, go to Wikipedia:Deletion review. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 17:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Boo to you sir....

Boo to you... I have to go monitor the hall now... Boo to you.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.158.157.228 (talk) 19:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Subpages

Just wanted to stop by to thank you for helping me out with my question... I didn't really expect Jimbo would answer it :) but thanks a ton! Cheers, Mr. Old-Skool (talk) 01:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I was hoping you could answer another question for me: does a subpage name have to be associated with a talk page? Like, does it have to be User talk:Mr. Old-Skool/Sandbox1 or can it be User:Mr. Old-Skool/Sandbox1? Mr. Old-Skool (talk) 22:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Yolo County NRHP list

Hi Elkman ... I see you made some edits to the Yolo County NRHP list I just created. I was about to delete the I Street Bridge and the Tower Bridge listings because they come up in a search of the NRIS database at the NPS website as in Sacramento County, not Yolo. I know that they come up as in both counties in your county table generator. I've come across this situation fairly often as I've worked on county tables and have been torn about how to handle it. There was some discussion of a similar issue at WT:NRHP a few weeks back. It appears that these bridges span the Sacramento River (I think) which forms the boundary between Sacramento and Yolo Counties. So I guess they really are in both counties. Do you think we should include them in both county lists?

By the way, sorry to read in an earlier post that you had an overnight stay in the hospital recently. I hope everything's okay. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 03:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I can think of a few NRHP bridges in Minnesota that span county lines. Anoka-Champlin Mississippi River Bridge is listed in both Anoka and Hennepin County, and Intercity Bridge is listed in both Hennepin and Ramsey County in Minnesota. Mendota Bridge is listed in both Hennepin and Dakota County. There are a few bridges that span state lines, too. Stillwater Bridge connects Minnesota to Wisconsin, as does Soo Line High Bridge. All of those examples are listed in both counties and/or states, as appropriate. So, I'd suggest keeping those listings in both counties as well.

As far as being in the hospital goes, I was there overnight Monday because I was there for an angiogram and angioplasty. My right coronary artery was 99% blocked, which is pretty scary. They put in two stents, one for that artery and another for the circumflex branch of left coronary artery. The only symptom I had was shortness of breath while exercising, but apparently I had enough cholesterol stuck in there to cut off a lot of circulation. I'm feeling better now. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Pretty serious stuff there. Good move getting to the hospital. Glad to hear you're feeling better. Do take care of yourself. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 05:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Wolf Creek Inn State Heritage Site

Awesome additions! Thanks! BTW, how'd you find the article so quickly after I created the stub? —EncMstr (talk) 16:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I was checking out Special:Newpages. I saw that you were creating some articles about Oregon state parks, and I figured that Wolf Creek Inn was on the National Register of Historic Places. Sure enough, it was, and it had an interesting story behind it, so I did a little expansion. Some of the other Oregon state parks might be on the National Register as well, depending on whether they're historic sites, or whether they were built by the Civilian Conservation Corps or Works Progress Administration. Usually, I'm looking at Special:Newpages for articles that qualify for speedy deletion, such as articles that kids write about their friends or enemies, or companies that use Wikipedia for advertising, so it's a relief to find good articles there. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 16:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Who Has generator code note

Yikes about angioplasty, etc! I do hope you get better!

So this seems not so important...

I've just started a list-article List of courthouse buildings in the U.S., in part to shed light on how many occurences there are of more than one courthouse in the same county being NRHP-listed. I don't know if this really wants to become a proper list or not; perhaps it should be in wikiproject or userspace. But for now i am interested because this would relate to revisiting the naming convention of just (State) after county courthouse names, when needed for disambiguation, while (City, State) seems to be the naming convention for all other NRHPs needing location clarification for disambiguation. I'm not quite ready to open a general discussion about revisiting that, although i just chatted at User talk:Nyttend about the possibility.

Anyhow, i start the list-article and add a table using your Who Has generator, with "Output in Wiki markup" checked yes. This works great, generating the main table that I pasted into the article, then I edited the table to make sortable. Sorting it by state, this works well. However, the one thing a bit odd is, the table generator has wikilinked each of the NRHP refnums, rather than wikilinking the names of the courthouses. It would be nicer if the courthouse names were wikilinked, as that would then link to a bunch of wikipedia articles that have been created. Something for you to consider if/when you update the Who Has generator code.

Best wishes, doncram (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the bug where the reference number is being wikilinked. As far as a full list of courthouses is concerned, querying for just "Courthouse" misses occasions where they're named "Court House" or "Court Building" or something like that. I did a search by function code = '04J', which is specifically for courthouses, but that turns up several federal buildings, city halls, and some post offices. (Also, "Minneapolis City Hall-Hennepin County Courthose" (sic) was misspelled.) I'm doing some experimenting to see if I can come up with some queries that will return all the ambiguous names of all courthouses. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, here's something that might answer your questions about multiple, ambiguous courthouses. Go to this link and choose "Ambiguous courthouses" from the menu (it's the bottom item because I just added it). This will pick out all entries in the NRIS that have a function of "courthouse" and are listed more than once. U.S. Post Office and Courthouse has 19 ambiguous entries, while among named counties, Washington County Courthouse leads the list at 15. Let me know if this helps you out. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I won't be able to address this for a while though. doncram (talk) 15:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Baltimore (Independent City) table question

Hi, to respond to, and try to stay a little ahead of a new Maryland wikipedia editor, I would like to set up table for Baltimore, Maryland, at National Register of Historic Places listings in Baltimore (Independent City). It's an independent city, and its listings are not included in Baltimore County, Maryland, which surrounds the city but does not include it. I can get the county table, and i tried a bunch of variations, but can't figure out phrase would work to get a table for the city out of your table generator...could you help, please? Perhaps just putting the table directly into the Temp page linked from there would be most helpful. I'm trying to fix up this situation a bit, but am soon going to be out of doing wikipedia much at all, for a month or so. The same issue might come up for the numerous independent cities in Virginia, by the way. Thanks! doncram (talk) 15:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, boy, this is going to be fun. Here's the deal: Baltimore County shows up in the NRIS database twice. Baltimore County, Maryland is a real county, while Baltimore, Maryland is an independent city (and is listed as a county in the NRIS database as well). My county list generator first looks up the county ID, and then it gets everything listed in that county. It appears that it's getting Baltimore County (i.e. the one that includes Towson, Maryland and so on), but not getting Baltimore (Independent City).

Fortunately, there's a flag on the county record saying whether it's a regular county, an independent city, or something else. I might end up putting a separate checkbox on the county list generator to get around the independent city thing. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 16:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Some deletion complaint

Mandelore (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)Why was my post Blair O'Riley deleted, Blair O'Riley has had a huge impact on New Zealand homeless people and has provided safe accomodation for many homeless children and run away children.

Yeah and my theory of the universe was deleted ut you cant prove that wrong which means youre using your'e power to delete for discrimanation

Thank you

...for watching out for me. Liebman pops up here 2 or 3 times a week. My guess is that he doesn't even bother to check back later to see if his latest sock has been put on ice. But blocking them at least makes him do a little extra work creating a new one. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

You had also asked me about adminship. I find that I've become more interested in the "nuts and bolts" of wikipedia over time, but I'm not so sure about taking it up full time, as it seems a lot of work. I've been doing what you might call "admin-like" stuff more and more, at the expense of article stuff. I hope to do more article stuff in the colder months. Oh, and there's the blocks I got for being contentious. That could be tough to explain. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Election taskforce

Thanks! I feel like a bit of a dick for not picking that up myself. :P --Helenalex (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I AM NIK KOCAY AND YOU DELETED MY PAGE CREATED FOR ME, SAYING I WASN`T A REAL PERSOn

What you think you know everyone in the world or something, this is discrimation just because of the color of my skin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikmasterflex (talk • contribs) 16:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)