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Question from WillowMusicMan5017 (23:34, 2 March 2023)
G'day. I intend to create a biographical article/page for myself as an author and musician. I understand that the Title of my page can be and will be different than my Username for Wikipedia. Am I right? --WillowMusicMan5017 (talk) 23:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- @WillowMusicMan5017: Yes. However, I would suggest not doing this. It's highly discouraged to write an article about yourself, because you have a conflict of interest. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. It is my further intention to create an article about a notable musician about whom I have detailed historical information. Since I am not the subject of that proposed article, would submitting such an article be worthy of consideration (depending on content, of course)? WillowMusicMan5017 (talk) 00:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- @WillowMusicMan5017: Yes, though you would need to cite your sources for what you write in the article. Offline sources such as books are acceptable, though. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:23, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. It is my further intention to create an article about a notable musician about whom I have detailed historical information. Since I am not the subject of that proposed article, would submitting such an article be worthy of consideration (depending on content, of course)? WillowMusicMan5017 (talk) 00:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I think it would be fine if the subject meets the WP:Notability Requirements. This would also depend on the content. I would recommend using the WP:AFC tool. Illusion Flame (talk) 00:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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On 11 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Justin J. Pearson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in response to the death of Tyre Nichols, Justin J. Pearson has pushed for a law banning officers with criminal records from transferring between police departments? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Justin J. Pearson. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Justin J. Pearson), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Question from Brodo48c (06:56, 19 March 2023)
Hi Elli, I'd like to make a page for unFederalReserve... a technology services company. --Brodo48c (talk) 06:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Brodo48c: are you having an issue creating the page? Elli (talk | contribs) 01:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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Question from Keftedaki (10:16, 25 March 2023)
Hi Elli, My edit was erased saying I didn’t provide a reliable source. Let me know what kind of source should I add to establish my edit. --Keftedaki (talk) 10:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Keftedaki: thanks for your question. Where did you get the information? Elli (talk | contribs) 10:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- I am the wife’s sister Keftedaki (talk) 10:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Keftedaki: Ah, that makes sense. Unfortunately, for this sort of information, you really need a reliable source, such as a newspaper article profiling the subject that includes the name. Elli (talk | contribs) 10:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- Where do I send this? Keftedaki (talk) 10:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Keftedaki: something like a passport wouldn't be an acceptable source, since you aren't allowed to source this sort of information from primary sources, which includes government documents. Do you have any news articles, or similar sources to that, which would include the name? Elli (talk | contribs) 10:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- I’m sending you a link of an article:
- https://foreign.gov.mt/en/Government/MLA/Documents/E-Newsletters/NSW/The%20Voice%20of%20the%20Maltese%20No.277.pdf Keftedaki (talk) 10:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Keftedaki: something like a passport wouldn't be an acceptable source, since you aren't allowed to source this sort of information from primary sources, which includes government documents. Do you have any news articles, or similar sources to that, which would include the name? Elli (talk | contribs) 10:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- Where do I send this? Keftedaki (talk) 10:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Keftedaki: Ah, that makes sense. Unfortunately, for this sort of information, you really need a reliable source, such as a newspaper article profiling the subject that includes the name. Elli (talk | contribs) 10:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- I am the wife’s sister Keftedaki (talk) 10:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Question from Rajadurai pirasath on Polizia di Stato (17:23, 27 March 2023)
Hi dear All off the police department i like to start my police jobs in few months please let me know any questions okay and save the people and be a safe place and have fun and be happy and thank you for all i will probably do my best my way if I start in Italy or other country will do Best my self and I will be ones person and I will save the country i. Would promise to God and God Bless for everyone and thank you very much for all --Rajadurai pirasath (talk) 17:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Rajadurai pirasath: do you have a question related to Wikipedia? Elli (talk | contribs) 22:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Question from Susususushi (03:08, 28 March 2023)
Hello! Nice to meet you! I am currently an undergraduate student creating a wikipedia page called "Double Reduction Policy". I want to reach out to you and get some feedback for that page content or grammar mistake.
Thanks for your help! --Susususushi (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Susususushi: thanks for reaching out! I think you have the basic right idea with how to approach this topic, but I have a few suggestions
- Your headings are overly verbose and over-capitalized. For example, "Background Reason of Policy Formulation: Adolescent's Academic Stress in China" should just be Background".
- Some of the sources used don't directly relate to the topic. For example, the background section has a lot of sources that do not mention the Double Reduction Policy at all, meaning their inclusion here is somewhat WP:SYNTHy. It's not totally prohibited, but it'd be better to get background info from other sources discussing the Double Reduction Policy.
- There isn't much coverage in the article of how and when the policy was implemented, nor what the general results have been so far. This would be good information to have.
- Feel free to ask me any more questions you might have! I am a bit sleep-deprived at the moment, so I may have missed something. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Elli Thanks for providing me such amazing feedback, I really appreciate that and help me a lot.
- The heading problem is something I didn't noticed and will consider rephrasing that and be more concise.
- I may consider quote the original statement Double Reduction Policy has at my background part which may let also supportive datas explaining why double reduction policy emphasis sleeping problem, stress of adolescents etc. I definitely need more source directly discussing the background of double reduction policy!
- Yes, I only mentioned few aspects about the result: public opinion pattern, how children's get higher quality school life and lower rate of mental illness problem. I should provide a timeline of the policy implementation and which city implement this policy first.
- Truly thanks for your feedback and help! Hope you have a nice day :) Susususushi (talk) 14:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Susususushi: happy to help! Thank you for contributing here. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Elli Thanks for providing me such amazing feedback, I really appreciate that and help me a lot.
Question from Yet Another Dragon (04:33, 30 March 2023)
I'm Australian and use mostly English (UK) SPaG conventions when I write. Do I have to use United States conventions here? --Yet Another Dragon (talk) 04:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) No, you don't. See WP:ENGVAR for guidance. Basically, be consistent with whatever usage the article already has. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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Question from ભાવિક on Wikipedia:New user landing page (11:29, 20 April 2023)
How create a new page --ભાવિક (talk) 11:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- @ભાવિક: once you are autoconfirmed (10 edits and 3 days) you can go to the title of the page you want to make and create it. Before then, you can make a draft, such as at your user sandbox. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you... ભાવિક (talk) 09:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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Question from User:CrookCoMaps61 (01:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC))
Hello Elli, I have a question regarding whether switchers are allowed in Presidential articles or not? I recently edited 2020 United States presidential election in Ohio, and I added a switcher into the infobox in order to make it easier to view both the county and precinct map. And not long after this, an IP User claimed that switchers are not allowed and moved the precinct box into the results section which effectively hid that map. So I would like to clarify whether adding switchers into presidential articles are indeed not allowed, even though they are already in numerous other articles. Thank you for your time (CrookCoMaps61 (talk) 01:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC))
- @CrookCoMaps61: Yes, they're allowed. The user who reverted you is a disruptive editor who has been banned for a while but keeps coming back as various IPs. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you Elli. And I'm sorry to disturb you, but this banned user keeps reverting my edits on 2020 United States presidential election in Ohio. I'm really not sure what to do or who to ask regarding this at this point as this user is already banned. Can there be a protection on the page or something to make this editor stop? Again I apologize as this is really silly and annoying, and thank you for your time (CrookCoMaps61 (talk) 17:27, 30 April 2023 (UTC))
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how do i get ideas to make my skibidi toilet wiki --General Artes (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- @General Artes: not sure what you're asking; do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Elli (talk | contribs) 19:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
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Template:R with Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
RM closure
Hi Elli, just fyi re. Talk:Hopetoun railway line#Requested move 17 July 2023 – there are six other similar RMs (that I know of) that may interest you (maybe give you second thoughts?):
- Talk:Alamein railway line#Requested move 17 July 2023, fixed
- Talk:Mernda railway line#Requested move 17 July 2023, fixed
- Talk:Cranbourne railway line#Requested move 17 July 2023, fixed
- Talk:Pakenham railway line#Requested move 17 July 2023, fixed
- Talk:Craigieburn railway line#Requested move 17 July 2023, fixed
- Talk:Werribee railway line#Requested move 17 July 2023, fixed
I only know about these because they all had to be fixed for the RMCD bot. Best to you! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 05:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Paine Ellsworth: Did see those. Those are a bit messier though, changing "railway line" to "line". If someone wants to undo the move at Hopetoun railway line, there of course isn't really a strong consensus not to revert (and I wouldn't object to that), but I didn't see a reason to leave the discussion open. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Question from Mlie vee on List of trade unions in the United Kingdom (14:46, 30 July 2023)
Hey mentor --Mlie vee (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Can someone tell me the names of the trade Union it's urgent please people
help me about the names of the writters of the trade Union Mlie vee (talk) 14:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Mlie vee: do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Elli (talk | contribs) 05:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Question from Harmless147 (05:20, 31 July 2023)
Hello Ellie, I want to write a book on death. I know this may be a little unusual but it is as common as life and equal to. But first I thought I would look it up on wiki-pedia and see how much has already been written. So initially I need to study before I can write or edit. Can you please give me some guidance.? I am not seeking publication at all just interested in what might happen after. So I may have pre-empted the situation. Ta! George --Harmless147 (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Harmless147: I'm not quite sure what you're asking? Elli (talk | contribs) 05:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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Question from ObsessiveScribe (21:44, 6 August 2023)
Hello, Elli!
I was browsing random articles on Wikipedia, when I came across the article for a species of beetles called Tmesisternus. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmesisternus) The article is a list of different types Tmesisternus beetles, each with their own article. Every article linked to in the main article has one problem: they’re all two sentences long, and when you do a Google search for their subject, you get around 3 pages of results. Which leads me to my main question:
Should I delete all of the individual Wikipedia pages for different types of Tmesisternus beetles, and merge them with the main list article? --ObsessiveScribe (talk) 21:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- @ObsessiveScribe: probably not? Per WP:NSPECIES, species are basically always considered notable enough for their own pages. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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Question from Applebananasmoothie (20:10, 15 August 2023)
Dear Elli,
I'm new to Wikipedia and find the norms/rules a bit confusing. I would like to create Wikipedia pages for some well-known academic books in mathematics education. But I don't know where to find the standards that are required for a book page (e.g. how well known is well known enough?). Could you please give me some guidance? Is there a page that explains it?
For example, I'm thinking about books like Paul Ernest's (1991) book "Philosophy of Mathematics Education". Well-known book in the area, >3500 citations, used at many universities across the world. Is this enough to warrant creating a Wikipedia page?
Thanks! --Applebananasmoothie (talk) 20:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Applebananasmoothie: Thanks for reaching out. The relevant guideline is WP:NBOOK, and particularly the subsection WP:BKCRIT. It's a pretty lenient guideline: as long as the book has two independent, reliable reviews, it's generally going to be considered notable. The general rule of thumb I would suggest using, though, which is slightly stricter, is whether you can write a decent article about the book, based on secondary reliable sources, that is not mostly just a summary of the book's contents. Does that make sense? Please feel free to reach out if you have any further questions. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Dear Elli,
- Big thanks! That makes a lot of sense.
- I'll give it a try. Applebananasmoothie (talk) 20:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Question from BookkeepingSupport (05:39, 16 August 2023)
Hi, I would like to create a Wikipedia page for my business. --BookkeepingSupport (talk) 05:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Congressional seniority
Hi! Noticed some of your edits updating congressional seniority as members die or resign. It occurred to me I might be able to write a bot for it, given an operator to specify the now-absent congressmember. Do you have any thoughts on this/potential issues/anything I should be aware of if I end up taking this on? Rusalkii (talk) 00:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Rusalkii: So while an actual bot for this would be a bit overkill (because you'd need to go through WP:BRFA), writing a AWB script to do so in a semi-automated way would probably be a good idea. Probably would be a pretty simple regex? Tbh, I kinda enjoy the monotony of doing the task manually, but I feel like I could figure out automating it as well (so if I thought about this too much to give you more useful advice, I would just end up doing it myself, if that makes sense). Elli (talk | contribs) 00:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not at all familiar with AWB, which is why I thought of a bot first; I could probably whip up a python script for it half an hour.
- If I end up tackling the project either way I'll drop you a message to make sure we aren't being redundant. Rusalkii (talk) 02:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
DYK for Radlands (game)
On 21 August 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Radlands (game), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the post-apocalyptic board game Radlands is illustrated in bright neon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Radlands (game). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Radlands (game)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Question from Amynathanbooks (18:41, 28 August 2023)
How do I find out if my edits were accepted. The process of entering the edits was very complex. There should be a clear description of all the little symbols you have to use to make an edit. You need to make your process more transparent and understandable. --Amynathanbooks (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Amynathanbooks: thanks for reaching out. Edits are published by default as soon as you make them (excluding a certain type of page protection, which is not relevant here). However, your edits to Gwynn Oak Park were reverted by Jessicapierce about an hour after you made them. You can see whether your edits are reverted by checking the page history. Please let me know if you have any further questions! Elli (talk | contribs) 18:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Question from VintilicaBad (23:54, 30 August 2023)
hi i want to write about nics gligs --VintilicaBad (talk) 23:54, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- @VintilicaBad: hello, I'm not sure quite what you're referring to. Would you be willing to elaborate? If you want to write an article, I suggest reading Help:Your first article. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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Question from EuclidTheOcelot09 (01:29, 7 September 2023)
Hi my teacher says Wikippedia is unreliable what do you think about that statement? --EuclidTheOcelot09 (talk) 01:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) @EuclidTheOcelot09: Your teacher is partially correct. Anyone can edit Wikipedia. The content is user generated. Therefore you cannot rely on it as a source for research. In fact, Wikipedia itself has a policy that Wikipedia cannot cite itself or any other source consisting of user-generated content. However, it is helpful to use Wikipedia as a guide to what reliable sources (the footnotes) say about a subject.
- That said, I recall some years ago that a survey of scientific articles was done and found to be as good or better than encyclopedias considered reliable, such as Encyclopedia Britannica. This is probably true of most technical articles. Reliability may be less for articles about popular culture. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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Question from SunCamper on Draft:Clifford Vincent Tait (01:58, 8 September 2023)
Hello! I've never actually made a page before so I'm not sure how I'm going. Also I drafted the name as "Clifford Vincent Tait" but really want to just call it Cliff Tait, but I am not sure how to change that. Any help would be appreciated! --SunCamper (talk) 01:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SunCamper: thanks for reaching out. The draft has been moved to the proper title by Nurg; in the future, you could do the same thing once you are autoconfirmed (meaning you have ten edits plus a four-day old account).
- As for your article, it's a good start, but there's a few changes I would suggest. First, you should use more inline references; there's multiple paragraphs without them and that is generally discouraged. It should be easy to find out where any of the information you are writing is coming from.
- Secondly, you should not link external websites inline. External websites should only be linked in sources, or sparingly in an "external links" section. The guideline on this is here.
- I'd also suggest either consolidating small sections together, or expanding them where possible. Having lots of small sections isn't great, though in some circumstances it isn't avoidable of course.
- I know this is a lot of feedback; just trying to be helpful and comprehensive. You're onto a pretty good start for your first article (writing articles is one of the more difficult things to do around here)! Please let me know if you have any further questions or need clarification! Elli (talk | contribs) 21:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hey thanks Elli, yes I wasn't sure what to cite and what to link. Some of the information is from the published books so I'm not sure how to include those as a reference. I am going to try to tidy it up, but probably like most people just plugging away in my spare time! I was trying to find some information about this person and then found he didn't actually have a page so thought well why not give it a try. SunCamper (talk) 06:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SunCamper: For published books, there's a few ways of doing so. For a book that's only cited with a particular page, {{cite book}} with the page numbers in the template is a good choice; otherwise, if there's a book you're citing multiple separate page ranges of, using {{Rp}} next to the in-text reference (which still uses {{cite book}}) works. Hopefully that makes sense?
- And there's no hurry, feel free to contribute at your own pace. Let me know when you've got the article into a state where you'd like me to take another look, and I would be happy to give more feedback and/or publish it. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hey thanks Elli, yes I wasn't sure what to cite and what to link. Some of the information is from the published books so I'm not sure how to include those as a reference. I am going to try to tidy it up, but probably like most people just plugging away in my spare time! I was trying to find some information about this person and then found he didn't actually have a page so thought well why not give it a try. SunCamper (talk) 06:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello Elli,
Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.
Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.
Suggestions:
- There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
- Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
- Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog:
Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello Elli,
- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
- 2022 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js
Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.
Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.
- Reminders
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
Hello Elli,
Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.
Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.
You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.
Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).
Reminders
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WikiCup 2023 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were
- Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
Sammi Brie, with 1575 points, gained mainly from a featured article, 28 good articles and 50 good article reviews. Close behind was- Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.
Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.
Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them and within 24 hours of the end of the final. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.
I will be standing down as a judge after the end of the contest. I think the Cup encourages productive editors to improve their contributions to Wikipedia and I hope that someone else will step up to take over the running of the Cup. Sturmvogel 66 (talk), and Cwmhiraeth (talk)