Emotional Wiki Dude

Rites of Spring

OK, here it is: we base redirects and article titles based on the names of things that people would mostly likely be searching for. When I say "no one is looking for the band," I mean first and foremost that it is nowhere near the realm of notability of The Rite of Spring. Second of all, I mean that nobody is going to use Wikipedia to look for an antiquated punk band for which there are few reliable sources. You are the only one maintaining that page and you need to stop undoing the redirect or I will nominate the band's page for deletion. I also suspect you are a member of the band or have some role in its promotion so you may also be subject to a COI check. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 20:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

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22:55, 8 November 2008 to Cumulus Clouds

I am writing about your edits to the page for Rites of Spring (the DC based emotional hardcore band).

On 07:12, 7 November 2008 you deleted a link to Rites of Spring (band) and said "nobody is looking for the band"

On 20:14, 7 November 2008 I left you this message on your talk page: "I am also confused why you said "No one is looking for the band" when your edits broke lots of links to the band's Rites of Spring page. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Rites_of_Spring. There are over 50 links that were broken. No problems though. I fixed it. Thank you very much in advance!"

On 20:28, 7 November 2008 you left this message on my talk page: "OK, here it is: we base redirects and article titles based on the names of things that people would mostly likely be searching for. When I say "no one is looking for the band," I mean first and foremost that it is nowhere near the realm of notability of The Rite of Spring. Second of all, I mean that nobody is going to use Wikipedia to look for an antiquated punk band for which there are few reliable sources. You are the only one maintaining that page and you need to stop undoing the redirect or I will nominate the band's page for deletion. I also suspect you are a member of the band or have some role in its promotion so you may also be subject to a COI check. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 20:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)" (emphasis mine)

On 20:28, 7 November 2008 at The Rite of Spring (the Stravinsky page) you told me to "knock it off" and you deleted the link to the Rites of Spring (the band) page.

You deleted a bunch of what I wrote on 06:22, 30 October 2008 at Rites of Spring (band), saying that it had bad links. But, that is wrong. Every one of the links that I added were active, why would you delete them?

I will give credit where it is due: thank you for going and fixing some of the links to the Rites of Spring (the band) page. BUT, you should also know that I refuse to be bullied by you. Your message of 20:28, 7 November was condescending, insulting, and defaming to my character and integrity. But, worst of all, you threatened to delete the page if I didn't stop undoing what you were doing. Who made you the arbiter of what kinds of bands are allowed to be on Wikipedia? What makes you think that I am a member of the band? Those guys are in their 40s now! I write about them because I like their music and maybe someone will read about them and learn about them. Why does that make me your next target?

I have done a bit of research and I see that you have been quote active regarding the Rites of Spring. You tried to delete the page on 05:41, 29 October 2008 and then Aervanath saved it. After that you moved 4 of the redirect pages and removed a LOT of material from the page. Luckily, that is how the page was when I found it. Please, seriously, stop whatever you are trying to do to Rites of Spring and maybe when you come back you can help me make it better. I don't want to have to log in every day to see if you deleted the page or not.--Emotional Wiki Dude (talk) 22:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

23:01, 8 November 2008 at William M. Connolley:

I recently (22:55, 8 November 2008 ) wrote about a concern that I have on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cumulus_Clouds and I see that you have been dealing with him in the past. If you have the time and the inclination I would appreciate it if you would read what I wrote and let me know what I should do next. If I am in the wrong let me know. But I have tried to be very judicious in my response and I hope that you can help me. With kind regards, Emotional Wiki Dude.--Emotional Wiki Dude (talk) 23:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Rites Of Spring

The move has been completed, I'd suggest requesting page protection if it continues to be moved and remind the 'movers' of the applicable guidelines --neon white talk 22:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about our cloudy friend, either. He seems to have had problems with edit warring in the past & has been blocked for it. If he continually reverts moves & hatnotes, etc. you can report him & have him blocked. You can also report some of his comments above as WP:CIVIL violations if you feel the need. At any rate, even if he were to nominate Rites of Spring for deletion it would be quickly closed per WP:SNOW because, although it is not yet complete, it is well-written, referenced to reliable secondary sources, and clearly establishes the notability of the topic. I have placed hatnotes at the top of both articles directing readers to the other article. This is common practice when there are 2 articles with similar, but not identical, names, as we cannot make assumptions about which article readers might be looking for as we have no way of knowing how they arrived at the page to begin with. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Rites of Spring genre watch

Hi there, my name is Tim. I'm part of WikiProject Punk Music and share your concern about the Rites of Spring article. Please help me keep an eye on the genre from time to time, as emo is either removed or "alternative rock" is placed first on the genre list. Also, ineptly styled or OR/POV prose is periodically infused into the lead-in, such as "Not many people would think they're emo or agree about what emo is". Thanks. --Tim010987 (talk) 12:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)