User talk:Enigmaman/Archives/2017
Happy New Year, Enigmaman!
editEnigmaman,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Donner60 (talk) 06:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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Issue with the Ford F-series page.
editGood morning, Enigmaman. For the last two days, I've been in an edit war with user DorianGrey14 on the F-series page regarding whether or not the 2018 F150 is or is not a new generation.[1] I have posted several sources confirming it will be a member of the 13th generation and NOT a start of a 14th generation, including a post form Ford's official user account on the F150 Forum, but he keeps reverting the changes to incorrect information. Would you please help me with this issue? Thanks, sir.
- It seems to me he's in the wrong. If he continues to revert as he has promised to do, he will be blocked. Enigmamsg 14:57, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. I appreciate your review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaMartian (talk • contribs) 16:47, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
editNews and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.
- NinjaRobotPirate • Schwede66 • K6ka • Ealdgyth • Ferret • Cyberpower678 • Mz7 • Primefac • Dodger67
- Briangotts • JeremyA • BU Rob13
- A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
- Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
- Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.
- When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
- Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
- The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.
- The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.
- JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.
13:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
RE: Hey
editlol ahoy old friend! Feel free to e-mail me and I'll send you my facebook if you'd like to keep in touch. :) · Andonic contact 14:30, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Cheri DiNovo
editThe issue is in fact older than 2013; a campaign of POV attack edits against her began in 2007, within a matter of months of her being elected to the Ontario Legislature — and as soon as the article was protected, the editor in question started trying to use the talk page to make the same unverifiable allegations that they couldn't get into the article. The problem has been, however, that the user in question has always edited as an anonymous IP rather than a logged-in editor, making it impossible to use editblocks to stop them (we know it's been the same user, because the IP numbers have always resolved to Thailand and the tactics have always been the same.) As you can see if you go further back in the edit history, the talk page also had to be protected in 2009, 2010 and 2011 because of the user's sheer refusal to give up the stick. You can see User:Natalie Erin/Cheri DiNovo vandal if you need additional background on the situation — but the long and the short of it is that I don't see any valid reason to let either the article or the talk page be edited by an anonymous IP ever again. The risk of the attack editor coming back again is simply too high given that they were still persistently at it six years later — page protection is literally the only thing that has ever kept the problem under any control at all. Bearcat (talk) 21:48, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
- ok. I was just wondering because the talk page is the logical place to suggest an edit and that can't be done now. Enigmamsg 00:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
- IPs can use WP:RFED to make edit requests when other options are not available. RFED is a section near the bottom of WP:RFPP. EdJohnston (talk) 17:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know. I came across this in the first place from a suggested edit at RfPP when I was clearing a backlog there. Enigmamsg 20:26, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
- IPs can use WP:RFED to make edit requests when other options are not available. RFED is a section near the bottom of WP:RFPP. EdJohnston (talk) 17:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Speedy deletion instead of AfD
editHi Enigmaman. I am asking specifically why was the article Erich Reimer given a speedy deletion when there was a clear controversy over notability as well as a high multitude of neutral mainstream media news sources indicating neworthiness and when other similar political figures and commentators have Wikipedia articles? It has also been 9 years since the previous AfD and all recent notability factors are quite recent. PepsiLord19 (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Also, regardless, would it be possible to receive the code of the page as it was before deletion? Thank you very much. PepsiLord19 (talk) 00:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- There was already a draft created when your submission was declined. Enigmamsg 00:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the update! PepsiLord19 (talk) 01:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Is it not patently obvious that PepsiLord19 is Erich Reimer? Is that not itself grounds for deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.54.27.60 (talk) 17:05, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- It was deleted. Enigmamsg 17:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Doubt
editHello Enigmaman, i have a question about the Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes process. "Reviewers do not take responsibility for the correctness of edits they accept. A reviewer only ensures that the changes introduced to the article are broadly acceptable for viewing by a casual reader. The reviewer checks the pending change(s) for an article and can then decide to either accept it, revert it or modify it then later accept it." So, imagine this situation: In a article, an stretch says that a car weighs 235 kilograms, and it is supported by a source. Some editor changes this information to 250 kilograms, and the source says 235 kilograms. So, the pending changes reviewer have to approve the edit because is not vandalism or other inappropriate edit, or the reviewer should not accept the edit because it´s a wrong information? Jasão (msg) 05:16, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- In my opinion, if it contradicts the source, the edit should be rejected. It doesn't mean that anything not clearly vandalism has to be approved. Enigmamsg 05:19, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help. Jasão (msg) 05:26, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
UpsandDowns1234
editYou seem to be the last admin to run into UpsandDowns1234—can you see any grounds not to indef block him? I hate to go in hard like this, as he's clearly a young child out of his depth rather than someone acting out of malice, but his Wikipedia history as far as I can tell is literally mistake after mistake, and it's becoming a serious time sink—at a rough estimate 50% of everything he does (that isn't messing around in his own userspace or sandboxes) needs to be reverted. Do you want to see if you can talk him down before I show him the door? ‑ Iridescent 20:29, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- I read through the last bunch of conversations and I have nothing to add. He doesn't seem to be able to learn. I had no reason to comment until he submitted yet another pointless RfPP request. It's been at least five times this month and enough is enough. I am prepared to block him if he submits another RfPP request. Do what you see fit. Enigmamsg 20:49, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- Although I will say that his suggestion of a six month block is not a bad one. It's hard to predict when people will mature. Enigmamsg 20:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- Per my comment a bit further up his talkpage last time he pulled this stunt, I'm very reluctant to impose a self-reqested CIR block. It's not like Wikipedia is an addictive substance from which one has to be kept away—if he knows he doesn't know how to do things, why keep coming back? If he'd only stick to articles and stop trying to "improve" WP: space, there wouldn't be any issues. (If he doesn't stop, I'd be inclined to go with "indefinite as undefined" rather than with a time limit—that way he'd have to explain that he understood what the problems were and commit not to doing them again. I agree that kids that age can mature quickly and unpredictably, but experience has shown that when he's given a time-limited block, he immediately goes back to whatever he was doing before the instant it expires.) ‑ Iridescent 21:02, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Sharing Afd script
editHello ! I want to thank you for entertaining my request and protecting the Page of Abu Dujana (militant). Generally contributor's do not come on protecting admins page to leave a thank note, but as this is a volunteer project I believe we should support and respect each other's hardwork. While my visit to your userpage, I observe that you do your administrators task on Afd manually. I don't know whether you are aware of the userscript for Afd (it will save your valuable time), if you are not aware of the script then this is it - {{subst:iusc|1=User:Evad37/XFDcloser.js}}
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Anoptimistix Let's Talk 08:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will try the script. Enigmamsg 15:09, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Buchalter Page Deletion
editHello Enigmaman,
I created the Buchalter page on Wikipedia and noticed that it was deleted on July 31, 2017. I read the articles for deletion and it appears that the page was deleted due to sources that were not considered "notable." It seems like the main issue for the page was the Accolades/Awards section that listed various "top places to work" awards and sourced these awards to, what was referred to as, "clickbait lists."
I would like to suggest reinstating the Buchalter Wikipedia page with the stipulation that the "Awards" section be deleted. I believe the rest of the page should remain as it was since it did not break any of the Wikipedia content policies or guidelines. Thank you. Mhpineda72 (talk) 17:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Removing sources doesn't help. It needs to establish notability. The links did not do that. The discussion was up for over a week and not one person made the case that it established notability. Tagging AfD creator @BU Rob13:. Enigmamsg 19:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, it seems really unlikely the company is notable (based on the sources available), which means Wikipedia shouldn't have an article on it. @Mhpineda72: Do you have a conflict-of-interest with respect to Buchalter, by any chance? Your account has been active on that page since mid 2016 and nowhere else. ~ Rob13Talk 19:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Fieri Lock
editFor Guy Fieri's page can you please add a lock icon at the top as it isn't showing. Thanks. Hummerrocket (talk) 03:10, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- OK, I will go look. Enigmamsg 03:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Lee Hye-ri semi-protection
editHi Enigmaman. As soon as you semi'ed Lee Hye-ri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) a ten-edit sock account appeared and started the edit-warring again. The sock made ten edits to their sandbox to gain confirmed status and then added the BLP violation. Please upgrade this to ECP. See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Netizentown. Thank you. Dr. K. 03:04, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- Upgraded. Enigmamsg 03:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Best regards. Dr. K. 03:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protection on Adolf Hitler
editMay I ask why you elevated the protection on Adolf Hitler to indefinite semi? Looking at the talk page history, I don't see much (any) evidence of recent vandalism. --causa sui (talk) 16:21, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- What? Adolf Hitler was already indefinite semi, and if you're looking at the talk page history, you're looking in the wrong place. I didn't protect the talk page. Enigmamsg 20:15, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- I was referring to this diff [2] which isn't very informative, now that I look more closely. --causa sui (talk) 03:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- It was already indefinite semi. If you look at the article history instead of the talk page history, you'll see why. Enigmamsg 03:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- I shouldn't have said 'talk page' -- I was looking at the article history. I suppose the reason I didn't see any vandalism was that it was already semi'd. --causa sui (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Causa sui: The reason for the upgrade wasn't vandalism. That must've been a misclick on the drop down. Three different users came to RFPP that day and requested an upgrade in protection. Enigmamsg 01:21, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- I shouldn't have said 'talk page' -- I was looking at the article history. I suppose the reason I didn't see any vandalism was that it was already semi'd. --causa sui (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- It was already indefinite semi. If you look at the article history instead of the talk page history, you'll see why. Enigmamsg 03:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- I was referring to this diff [2] which isn't very informative, now that I look more closely. --causa sui (talk) 03:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
sean raggett
editHi, I get you have protected the page but you might want to consider sorting the team column , the 2016/17 onwards was lincoln city not dover athletic , obviously i cant correct this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noobkiller13 (talk • contribs) 12:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- I believe it's been corrected. Enigmamsg 15:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Re: Your issues with Cyberbot
editI apologize for butting in like this, but I just happened to notice your concerns and would like to provide some input. Cyberbot has been giving you these issues because of this IP. I know because today, the same IP made this edit which made my own edit request for another article look like I was requesting protection for a different article. After checking their edit history, I noticed the IP made the same edits on the day you had your concerns. Is it possible that this IP tried to break the bot? I hope I've helped in some way. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 02:52, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- thanks, Enigmamsg 05:36, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Unprotected Alcohol Justice
editBy refusing to unprotect Alcohol Justice's article, you are denying that the organization is being criticized at all. The "POV-pushing" bologna being used to justify not allowing criticism into the article is no excuse, since not all the criticism is coming from people connected with David Hanson. You can look at Alcohol Justice's Facebook page and see for yourself that a lot of people are criticism the organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B119:B1D8:2123:9BC8:67D5:632D (talk) 01:16, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
- False. That is illogical and your request was illogical. I have no reason to unprotect it. Go to the article's talk page or go argue with the admin who protected the page. Enigmamsg 02:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – September 2017
editNews and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2017).
- Nakon • Scott
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- ACTRIAL, a research experiment that restricts article creation to autoconfirmed users, will begin on September 7. It will run for six months. You can learn more about the research specifics at meta:Research:Autoconfirmed article creation trial, while Wikipedia talk:Autoconfirmed article creation trial is probably the best venue for general discussion.
- Following an RfC, WP:G13 speedy deletion criterion now applies to any page in the draftspace that has not been edited in six months. There is a bot-generated report, updated daily, to help identify potentially qualifying drafts that have not been submitted through articles for creation.
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Erroneously spreading erroneous information
editThe school attended by Chris Simms was changed in this edit; the change was not backed by a source and conflicted with the reference already provided in his article. Adding him to a list of notable alumni in the article for Don Bosco Preparatory High School in this edit only passed the error on to another article. This is why *ALL* entries added to such lists *MUST* have a reliable and verifable source to show that there is a connection between the person and the school. Alansohn (talk) 02:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- Reverted it... Enigmamsg 03:03, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Invitation to Admin confidence survey
editHello,
Beginning in September 2017, the Wikimedia Foundation Anti-harassment tool team will be conducting a survey to gauge how well tools, training, and information exists to assist English Wikipedia administrators in recognizing and mitigating things like sockpuppetry, vandalism, and harassment.
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hello :) can you please protect this wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocha_Uson
thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinoyverifiededits (talk • contribs) 16:26, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Nomination of Bitcoin Magazine for deletion
editA discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bitcoin Magazine is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted, or merged with Vitalik Buterin. I notified you as you have contributed to Buterin's page.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bitcoin Magazine until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 08:31, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
That protection didn't go through. They're still editing.
Administrators' newsletter – October 2017
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- Following a discussion about mass-application of ECP and how the need for logging and other details of an evolving consensus may have been missed by some administrators, a rough guide to extended confirmed protection has been written. This information page describes how the extended-confirmed aspects of the protection policy are currently being applied by administrators.
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- Community consultation on the 2017 candidates for CheckUser and Oversight has concluded. The Arbitration Committee will appoint successful candidates by October 11.
- A request for comment is open regarding the structure, rules, and procedures of the December 2017 Arbitration Committee election, and how to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.
Calvin Hooker Goddard
editCan you remove the 8 year old protection on this page. --RAN (talk) 04:28, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – November 2017
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- The Wikipedia community has recently learned that Allen3 (William Allen Peckham) passed away on December 30, 2016, the same day as JohnCD. Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.
You said 'Please don't create this again. Thank you, Enigmamsg 22:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC),' and that you 'politely asked,' but it didn't feel that way, rather than one of the most negative things on my talk page, as no reason was given, rather than some implied (demand and) agenda perhaps of deletionism or disliking Goa trance. I've given up editing articles on that (or usually anything else... trying to avoid editing for at least a year, lately, maybe unless I get a message about a science/mathematics or philosophy article) anyway, but am still wondering about that comment, and note, since then, there have been many trance articles that refer to Cosmosis & Laughing Buddha as major trance stars newer ones worked with, though the two associated musicians/groups no longer have articles of their own (did several times in the past.) The point is, perhaps (as later articles seems to show) articles on the two could've been done right, regardless of your unexplained opinion that they shouldn't be... and that, assuming that could be done, I'm still wondering what the reason would be you'd never want those articles to appear again (if they could be done right.)--dchmelik (t|c) 04:58, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
- That was in 2009. I communicated in polite English. I don't know what your problem is, but the article kept being created improperly. You need to look at yourself here. Enigmamsg 19:20, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – December 2017
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- Following a request for comment, a new section has been added to the username policy which disallows usernames containing emoji, emoticons or otherwise "decorative" usernames, and usernames that use any non-language symbols. Administrators should discuss issues related to these types of usernames before blocking.
- Wikimedians are now invited to vote on the proposals in the 2017 Community Wishlist Survey on Meta Wiki until 10 December 2017. In particular, there is a section of the survey regarding new tools for administrators and for anti-harassment.
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- Over the last few months, several users have reported backlogs that require administrator attention at WP:ANI, with the most common backlogs showing up on WP:SPI, WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. It is requested that all administrators take some time during this month to help clear backlogs wherever possible. It should be noted that AIV reports are not always valid; however, they still need to be cleared, which may include needing to remind users on what qualifies as vandalism.
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Randy Quaid protection
editHi. When you protected Randy Quaid back in July, you placed extended-confirmed protection on the page. Did you mean to do that? I think semi-protection would probably be a better option there. —MRD2014 Happy Holidays! 02:14, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
- Yes. If you look at the edits or the talk page, you'll see why I had to. Enigmamsg 03:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
- Many people are eager to vandalize the page, including autoconfirmed users. Enigmamsg 03:24, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
- I see now. Thanks for clarifying. —MRD2014 Merry Christmas! 04:08, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
editHello Enigmaman: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, —MRD2014 Merry Christmas! 02:03, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
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