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I fixed this. --editeur24 (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Unsolicited critical commentary on your edits to talk-pages

Hi Editeur24,

You happened to make some edits to articles on my watchlist, which drew my attention, and so now I've looked over a bunch of your recent edits to math articles. I have noticed the following features in a number of your comments:

• You add them on very, very old threads, without any indication of whether the issues discussed in them is still relevant.
• You add seemingly rhetorical questions ("Should we do ...?") or vague requests ("Maybe someone can add something about ...").

In the first case, it seems to me that you don't bother checking whether the issue is relevant before commenting (but of course I can't really be sure of that), and it is just a waste of other editors' time to raise moot issues. (Mixing completely new issues into old threads, as here, is also not ideal, for other reasons.) In the second case, I question the value of contributions like this one: if you believe what you're proposing is an improvement, why don't you do it yourself? If you don't believe it would be an improvement, then what is the point of raising it? It is unclear to me what a third alternative might be.

I hope that you will consider these comments as you continue your contributions here. Thanks, JBL (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, JeBeeEll. Your reversions sting some, but I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and I'm a math user, not a PhD in math, so I will consider everything you do carefully. I think we have some philosophic disagreements as well as me almost certainly making outright errors.

You said

• You add them on very, very old threads, without any indication of whether the issues discussed in them is still relevant.

I do usually (always? I don't know) check to see if the old Talk thread is still relevant. We may disagree as to whether it's moot or not. Sometimes it may be naive-- you may have seen the old talk thread where somebody (and me then) was confused about how the harmonic series has terms that go to zero but is divergent-- and so nobody gives it a good answer.

On checking, I occasionally add something like "This has been fixed." to the old talk thread. I wish that were more standard, since it's possible for an old talk thread never to be addressed. I'm not thinking the original ancient talker will read it; just that the article might still benefit from it.

You said

• You add seemingly rhetorical questions ("Should we do ...?") or vague requests ("Maybe someone can add something about ...").

I do think such questions and requests are useful, though perhaps not as a new comment on an old talk thread--- maybe it should be a new thread. Isn't the talk section supposed to be about how to improve the article? If an editor isn't sure about improvement X, he could "edit boldly" and insert it, or he could raise it on the Talk page. Reasons not to insert it would be (a) he isn't sure enough it's a good idea to want to go to the effort without getting some input (e.g., suggesting an entire new section), (b) he isn't expert enough (me with whether the math community would think of absolute convergence as a test), and (c) he doesn't have time (anybody who is busy and thinks he will probably forget to come back).

Best regards, --editeur24 (talk) 20:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi editeur24, thanks very much for your response. I want to apologize for the delay in getting back to you -- end of semester busyness has left me without the free time / attention span to properly respond. I hope to say something meaningful later this week. All the best, JBL (talk) 00:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I quite understand, even as I relax in not having had to teach this semester. Thanks for the quick note. editeur24 (talk) 04:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again for your patience. Let me begin by apologizing for any sting delivered -- I believe I have a tendency to come off as brusque on WP, but it's not meant to be hostile (and generally your work here seems very good!). I also think possibly I have erred by trying to make a general principle out of some specific examples. So, maybe I will double down on my query about this particular example (that I also mentioned above). I agree with you that the talkpage is about how to improve the article. I just have trouble understanding how this edit relates to that goal: like, what is the thing that is wrong that you're trying to improve? As far as I read your comment, it is just "Here is a thing that could be done; should it be done?" Have I misread you completely? --JBL (talk) 16:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh, PS, this is not super important but I added/changed indentation in your comment above, following the guidance at WP:LISTGAP; I hope that's all right. --JBL (talk) 16:54, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

That's fine.

That's fine to change the indentation. I'll gradually get the hang of the style, just as with someone stumbling through learning a language who tries to get the big things first and pick up the rest along the way. I glanced at WP:LISTGAP, but it's like looking at a grammar book as opposed to how a child learns.

I saw what you wrote.I'll see if anybody else does chip in, and then respond eventually. This is the kind of point where even the unthought short opinions of lots of people would be useful-- what style should article X be? But if they are silent, we two can talk anyway.

I just had a thought-- your user page might be a good place to say "Don't mind if I'm brusque sometimes, please, I try to be polite." It's hard to know how much explaining to do on Wikipedia, because one doesn't know if anyone is going to care about a change, and often zero people will care or object, so an ex ante explanation is a waste of time. But sometimes somebody will have unreasonable pride of authorship or strong political opinions and care a lot, and it would be good to ahve the ex ante explanatio adn soothing words. We must feel our way. --editeur24 (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Questions about the Federal Reserve

Hello friend. I notice your profile says you're an economics professor. I recently tried to improve an article about the Federal Reserve's role in coronavirus stimulus. If you're interested and have some time, feel free to take a look. The article is U.S. federal government response to the COVID-19 pandemic#Federal Reserve. The section is incomplete, and in need of an expert to fill in some details of the Fed's coronavirus stimulus efforts after March 23, 2020. I also posted some news articles and questions on the talk page. My motivation is that I sometimes hear people say "the fed spent $5 trillion dollars bailing out big businesses". But there is not really enough information in that article to evaluate that claim. Again, only if you're interested and have some time. Thanks for your help. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:42, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello bro. I'll take a look. I ought to know more about the topic anyway. It's outside of my subspeciality, so I'm the perfect one to edit it, since I know enough to be sort of expert, but far enough that I have no dog in any fights. --editeur24 (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey buddy. I'm sure you got busy, so no rush. But just doing a quick follow up to see if you're still interested in helping with this. Another option might be to give a couple paragraph answer to my questions here, and then I can take a stab at finding sources and incorporating your answer into the article. My questions are 1) what kinds of stimulus (out of the ordinary actions) has the Fed engaged in since the Coronavirus pandemic started (including the March stock market correction), 2) is it true that the Fed spent $5 trillion dollars bailing out big businesses, 3) have the Fed's actions played a big role in keeping the economy afloat, and 4) how important are the Fed's actions compared to what Congress is doing / fiscal policy (CARES Act)? Thanks for your time. I hope you're having a great week. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry I'm so slow. Bit of a crisis at work--boss trying to fire me. I'll have to read up too. The biggest role of the Fed has been to buy US Treasury debt used to pay for the amazing, gigantic, cash transfers to all and sundry. The Fed prints money to do that, so in effect it and Treasury are together using future inflation to finance the transfers. Economists have been noting that people are saving most of the per-capita payouts, so it wouldn't have any Keynesian stimulus effect, even if the Keynesians are right. But all of that is just background, needs verification. s I understand it, a lot of the "bailout" for business is really used to give money to business to pay employees who aren't doing any work, so it's really bailout for workers. But airlines, at least, got real bailout money. editeur24 (talk) 02:29, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Friendly greetings, eminent economist!

Hello, it is I, Ellie of Twitter. I do not always manifest as a groyper. This is me IRL. I am an SR 11-7 banker for the most part.

I briefly scanned the rebuke you got regarding editing math content. You were adequately contrite. I did something similar to one of the chemistry pages, but the chemists were more tolerant. I did not fare so well when I accidentally deleted a HUGE chunk of the Colonel (General?) Mu'ammar Khaddaffi BLP. But after undoing my errors, all was forgiven.

I would be delighted to help you decorate your user page with talk boxes if you want. Don't feel obligated, as the classic streamlined look is good too. I am so glad to meet you! Thank you for gracing my Wikipedia and Twitter experiences.--FeralOink (talk) 04:27, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind encouragement. I've been distracted by university matters. I think I'll keep the classic look, but appreciate your offer. I'll have to get back to the math edits. There is a fundamental difference in outlook. I think Wikipedia pages should be written for all levels of readers, but beginners in the topic are the most important. Mathematicians, I think, often want to write for math PhD's, exclusively. Dealing with that takes some delicacy. Also, they don't realize that while they are very good at the content, writing articles also uses writing ability, which they don't necessarily have. Wikipedia is the ideal format for combining skills-- for good writers to write, and then good content knowers to correct the content errors, then the good writers to smooth the content-knowers obscurity, and keep iterating. But while the good writers recognize they don't know content well, the good content people very commonly don't recognize that they don't know writing well. Maybe I'll write this up as a Wikipedia essay. Or perhaps such an essay already exists. Anybody know?editeur24 (talk) 02:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I think it is good to keep articles at a high level of knowledge, especially in specialized niche topics such as often happens with areas of math. Sure, the intro section of an article should be written as simply as possible (but not so simple it becomes wrong!), but afterwards it is fine to go as deep as is necessary However, often even that intro can't be written simplistically, as (especially in math) you can't even get a vague grasp on the fundamentals of the topic without having at least first year college mathematics. But that's ok, it is why you have links to other more fundamental wiki articles at the start so you can do background reading if necessary. Mathmo ^Talk 08:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

There's an important distinction. A math intro should be written so a 7th grader can read it, ideally (I'm teaching 7th graders now; this doesn't mean their parents can read it, tho!). But a 7th grader can't write such an Intro. Indeed, I doubt most college math majors could. It often takes someone with deep knowledge of the topic to write a simple, verbal, Intro. Most such people are so non-verbal that they can't do it, though many even of those can help by finding flaws in a verbal intro. editeur24 (talk) 17:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, Editeur24! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Editeur24, is it ok if I take the start you've made to use for creating an article? Thank you. Mathmo ^Talk 08:36, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Mathmo, go ahead. Do send me a link when it's done. editeur24 (talk) 17:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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I will take a look. editeur24 (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

The article seems to be back in Wikipedia. I see there was a lot of discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music_theory&oldid=prev&diff=1063755338. Is there more I need to do? editeur24 (talk) 20:42, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Proper use of \text{}

Note the proper use of \text{} in LaTeX and in Wikipedia's variation on LaTeX code:

Relative \; Risk = \frac{D_E/V_E}{D_N/V_N}= \frac{20/400}{6/600}= \frac{.05}{.01} = 5\,

versus

\text{Relative risk} = \frac{D_E/V_E}{D_N/V_N}= \frac{20/400}{6/600}= \frac{.05}{.01} = 5\,

$Relative\;Risk={\frac {D_{E}/V_{E}}{D_{N}/V_{N}}}={\frac {20/400}{6/600}}={\frac {.05}{.01}}=5\,$

versus

${\text{Relative risk}}={\frac {D_{E}/V_{E}}{D_{N}/V_{N}}}={\frac {20/400}{6/600}}={\frac {.05}{.01}}=5\,$

You don't need to manually add spacing, and things in \text{} are not italicized. 2601:447:C601:3690:0:0:0:2208 (talk) 04:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. 2600:1700:1658:9880:1939:6823:86EE:ECC6 (talk) 22:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. editeur24 (talk) 21:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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