Eric Carlos Bertrand

November 2023

Latest comment: 11 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Etienne Zack, from its old location at User:Eric Carlos Bertrand/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 18:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your submission at Articles for creation: Etienne Zack (painter) (November 4)

Latest comment: 11 months ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:

This appears to be a duplicate of another submission, Etienne Zack, which is also waiting to be reviewed. To save time we will consider the other submission and not this one.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Etienne Zack (painter) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

KylieTastic (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello, Eric Carlos Bertrand! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! KylieTastic (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your submission at Articles for creation: Etienne Zack (painter) (November 4)

Latest comment: 11 months ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Qcne was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

So this is a complex one to review. You've got heaps of sources but the vast majority are WP:PRIMARY as they are showcasing his exhibitions or work.

Could you please let me know on my user talk page the three (just three.) sources that are independent, secondary, and reliable and that prove Etienne passes the criteria at WP:NARTIST?

As this is a biography of a living person every material fact such as his date of birth must be sourced. Ref 2 doesn't seem to discuss a birth date, though? How do you know his DOB? Likewise with the education bits.

I am going to add in some paragraphs so this is also easier to read.

Let me know if you have any questions by posting a new message on my user talk page- note that I won't be automatically notified if you reply to this message unless you WP:PING me.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Etienne Zack (painter) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Qcne (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Eric Carlos Bertrand looks like you've accidentally made two drafts. Don't worry, it happens. We'll stick with this one (with (painter) at the end of the draft title).

I have a couple more issues with the draft which I will list:

- The WP:LEAD of the draft is basically just two quotes that are overly promotional. I would remove entirely.

- There should be no external links in the body of the text.

- Everything after the Early Life section is basically a list of every exhibition, collection, and talk he has ever done. This breaks WP:NOTRESUME- you should only include the most major/impactful ones. Keep it to a handful.

- Text like Throughout this period his depiction of discarded objects and debris in his work gradually morphed into art objects, recognizable art motifs, quotes from films, and the representations of notorious historical artworks. The context of street scenes in his paintings were progressively transmuting into the representation of artist studio, the museum, the gallery and the art fair spaces, while socio-political commentaries persisted. seems to be WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH which is prohibited on Wikipedia. You should only be paraphrasing or summarising what reliable secondary sources state about the subject.

- Do you by chance know this artist? How did you come to be writing about him? There may be a Conflict of Interest which you need to declare.

I think you can massively cut down on this draft and remove over half the content.

Let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 18:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your submission at Articles for creation: Etienne Zack (November 4)

Latest comment: 11 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Rich Smith was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This is exactly the same as Draft:Etienne Zack (painter). I'll copy Qcne's comment to here:

So this is a complex one to review. You've got heaps of sources but the vast majority are WP:PRIMARY as they are showcasing his exhibitions or work.

Could you please let me know on my user talk page the three (just three.) sources that are independent, secondary, and reliable and that prove Etienne passes the criteria at WP:NARTIST?

As this is a biography of a living person every material fact such as his date of birth must be sourced. Ref 2 doesn't seem to discuss a birth date, though? How do you know his DOB? Likewise with the education bits.

I am going to add in some paragraphs so this is also easier to read.

Let me know if you have any questions by posting a new message on my user talk page- note that I won't be automatically notified if you reply to this message unless you WP:PING me. Qcne (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Etienne Zack and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

- Rich^T|C|E-Mail 18:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Your submission at Articles for creation: Etienne Zack (painter) (June 3)

Latest comment: 4 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by SL93 were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Etienne Zack (painter) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

SL93 (talk) 20:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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