Ewass

Hi - Regarding the Greg Sarris page, it would be useful if you could find sources for the content you are adding about his parentage. The implied accusation is very serious, indeed libellous, and really can't be allowed to stand without an independent source (newspaper, court records, Navy records, whatever). Vizjim (talk) 22:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed account. I'm not wholly unsympathetic to what you;re saying, but you have not proved your crucial contention that Emilio was out of the country at the time of Sarris' conception. Without that, the material you had in the Sarris article is mostly hearsay and speculation, and can't stand in an encyclopedia. Vizjim (talk) 00:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, I think it's probably better to present Sarris' account in his own words, to avoid distortion, and for you then to add in sourced facts that contradict his account where you can. I've also left a couple of citation marks in the article where I think it needs sources. Vizjim (talk) 07:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Look, Wikipedia is really NOT a good place to begin publishing this material. Have a look at WP:OR and WP:BLP for the reasons. Try presenting this material, in a dossier, to newspaper journalists or even academics working in Native American Studies. If they publish it, or if you can get it published elsewhere, or even (maybe) if you can create a blog with photocopies of all relevant documentation, then this material can go in the article. I am not disputing your claims, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to publish original research. Vizjim (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

May 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to Greg Sarris appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe this important core policy. Thank you. -Uyvsdi (talk) 04:47, 13 May 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources, as you did to Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Most of your recent edits were uncited and http://www.stopthecasino101.com does not qualify as a verifiable, secondary published source.-Uyvsdi (talk) 04:47, 13 May 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

April 2012

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Graton Rancheria, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:44, 26 April 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

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July 2012

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Graton Rancheria, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. -Uyvsdi (talk) 23:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

October 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Greg Sarris, you may be blocked from editing. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:52, 6 October 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

January 2-13 Greg Sarris' own family (the one he claims to be his, that is) has come forward to state categorically that the family has NO Native American blood. This confirms 140 years of historical documentation. I invite you to go to the web site http://www.stopthecasino101.com/id147.html where you can read the sworn Declaration of Mrs. Velia Navarro, the 68 year old matriarch of the family, and hear her own words from a radio interview she gave in October 2012. I will also be happy to send you a guest invitation to Ancestry.com to review the records, or, if you prefer, I can send you a CD with all the documents.

There is a huge difference between personal commentary and fact. I think that you may be so blinded by your personal mission that you refuse to believe that Mr. Sarris is misrepresenting himself as a Native American. This would not be the first time that this has happened. Asa Carter and Ward Churchill both come to mind.

In continuing to support Mr. Sarris, you are doing a gross disservice to the Native community, who view false claims of Native ancestry as being highly offensive. In addition, you insult Mrs. Navarro, who is fighting to stop Mr. Sarris from misrepresenting the women in her family. Ewass (talk) 15:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

February 13

Greg Sarris' own family (the one he claims to be his, that is) has come forward to state categorically that the family has NO Native American blood. This confirms 140 years of historical documentation. I invite you to go to the web site http://www.stopthecasino101.com/id147.html where you can read the sworn Declaration of Mrs. Velia Navarro, the 68 year old matriarch of the family, and hear her own words from a radio interview she gave in October 2012. I will also be happy to send you a guest invitation to Ancestry.com to review the records, or, if you prefer, I can send you a CD with all the documents.

There is a huge difference between personal commentary and fact. I think that you may be so blinded by your personal mission that you refuse to believe that Mr. Sarris is misrepresenting himself as a Native American. This would not be the first time that this has happened. Asa Carter and Ward Churchill both come to mind.

In continuing to support Mr. Sarris, you are doing a gross disservice to the Native community, who view false claims of Native ancestry as being highly offensive. In addition, you insult Mrs. Navarro, who is fighting to stop Mr. Sarris from misrepresenting the women in her family. Ewass (talk) 15:32, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. Ancestry.com is a discussion board. Reliable sources must be published, secondary sources. For more information, read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

November 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Greg Sarris, you may be blocked from editing. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:59, 8 November 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

March 2013

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Greg Sarris. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

You were incorrect in stating that Sarris' "maternal grandparents" were Tom Smith and Emily Stewart. I corrected it because (1) the timeline is wrong; if Smith and Stewart were Sarris' ancestors, they would be his PATERNAL GREAT GREAT grandparents, and (2) his MATERNAL grandparents,Bunny's parents, which Sarris himself names in a number of sources readily available online, were George H. Hartman and his wife, Bernadette C. Maloney Hartman.

When you research the "sourced" content for Sarris' claim to Native ancestry, you will quickly realize that the primary, original source for his claims to Indian ancestry is himself. He said he was an Indian, and everybody believed it.

Now that the family of Emilio Hilario, Jr. has stepped forward to say publicly, in the press, that this family has no Native blood, I think it counts for something. So what counts as "sourced" content? Sarris established his Native identity by getting it out tot he public. Now there have been several news articles and a radio interview on the subject of his true ancestry. Do these articles count as "sourced"?

When Mr. Sarris joins the ranks of people like Asa Carter, Ward Churchill and Nasdijj, it is your credibility that will be affected.